Prepare yourself for the fact that Camp David could be Fitzmas, or a game-changer

[Miles Archer]

MUCH speculation on this.

"An intervention" (good luck with that).

"Trump resigns, pardons Trump, President Pence"

"They're going to talk about Afghanistan" (what's being presented to the public).

It is a very unusual move for Pence to cancel his trip and come back for this meeting. Rachel Maddow discussed this last night. Given the subject matter of the meeting, he could have just phoned in to the meeting.

Remember Trump's West Virginia rally and it's "major announcement, big news, huge news, very big," and that turned out to be Jim Justice switching parties?

If it is an "intervention," Trump will wipe his ass with it and then go on a rant. Maybe Kelly will quit. Maybe they'll fire Bannon. Maybe they'll go to Camp David and discuss Afghanistan and that will be the end of it.

Based on everything we've seen so far, I don't believe Friday's news dump will include Trump's resignation or talk about the 25th Amendment. That could happen...to quote Don Jr, if it did "I'd love it"...but...

We have seen Fitzmas, and it was highly overrated.

Keep your expectations low and be pleasantly surprised if something happens. Kristen Welker is on MSNBC right now talking about Pence yesterday in Panama, talking about how Trump is reminiscent of Teddy Roosevelt, how he sees things not as they are but how they could be.

Do you really believe he's coming back to take his job?

[oberliner]

1. Maddow raised the possibility that they will be privatizing the war in Afghanistan

Did you see that report?

[Vinca]

4. I can't see Pence making a special trip back for that though. Pence is the key.

[oberliner]

6. He did the same thing in April

Pence cutting Pacific trip short

Vice President Mike Pence will be back in Washington from his Pacific trip Tuesday, one day earlier than scheduled, it was announced Sunday night.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/24/mike-pence-return-home-hawaii-237510

[Vinca]

8. I forgot about that. Hmmm . . . maybe Don needs a back rub?

[oberliner]

9. Could be that Trump asked Pence to bring him a coke

Or kill a bug.

[Vinca]

11. LOL - he lost his chief flyswatter when Priebus left.

[JDC]

21. He also cancelled his speech at The Koch event this weekend

[lindysalsagal]

31. Possible the RNC sees him either as the wise uncle or the informant...or both

These fools are willing to believe in anything that holds their power, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary.

[Miles Archer]

5. Yes, that's what I'm talking about

That could be the sum total of the meeting. Pence would not have to be there for that (her thoughts). But somehow speculation is there that something else could be going on. I'm not placing my bets on something else going on.

[SweetieD]

33. Why would they need to call an emergency meeting for that? It could be discussed in a regularly

scheduled meeting. This meeting was only set 2 days ago.

[Vinca]

2. We know "Afghanistan" is bullshit. It's either resignation or war with North Korea.

I'm hoping for the first, but assuming big, bad Don has a need to enhance his manhood by dropping a nuke.

[Miles Archer]

10. Afghanistan is the "official" agenda item

And maybe it is the agenda item.

That's part of Trump's Apprentice-style manner..."I'll keep you in suspense."

War with North Korea would be a stretch right now as Kim has backed off from the daily "I'm gonna bomb Guam back to the stone age" rhetoric.

I'm not feeling a resignation in the air, and maybe Pence was brought back for the sole purpose of heightening expectations in that area, so that when it didn't happen, Trump could savor the disappointment.

Like everyone else, I won't know until I know.

[GusBob]

3. Watch carefully for the leaks or lack thereof

It might be a set up all around

[greeny2323]

7. Their plan

I really just think they are forming their next attack plan. I assume the event in Phoenix is a part of it. They will be rolling out something.

[Miles Archer]

12. Phoenix Mayor is not happy about this at all

He was asked yesterday if he is worried about the possibility of violence in the wake of an Arpaio pardon, and he didn't mince words. He simply replied "yes."

And since Trump lives for chaos, in the wake of Charlottesville, this is the perfect "event" for him to be staging, a doubling down AFTER doubling down on his "I heart nazis" speech.

[Squinch]

13. I have to prepare myself more for the fact that it will not be a game changer. The chaos brought

by that slob regularly brings me to tears these days.

My fear is that there will be no significant developments at all.

[Miles Archer]

15. I tend to agree with you

The reason for my post is that so many people are getting their hopes up and I'm just not feeling it.

I think that if a Trump resignation or removal ever did happen, every effort would be made to orchestrate it under the radar, and this is not under the radar.

[Squinch]

22. I know you were saying that. I agree. And I believe the narcissist will never resign, no matter

what anyone says.

The best we can hope for is a heart attack. I can't believe I am saying that.

[PJMcK]

26. I can believe you wrote that

Trump has to go one way or another. I don't care how. In fact, if he goes away, I don't even care if he's prosecuted. Just. Go. Away.

It's really that simple.

[lindysalsagal]

34. I'm half-way on it: 7 stages of grief: Bargaining. It will be in small increments, not all at once.

I think he's been bargaining all throughout his candidacy. Every time he screws up and the media attacks, he has to re-up with the RNC, as they gain traction from his gaffes.

The thing about bargaining is, just as we are all at different points on the godzilla continuum, so are all of the individual players at the negociating table. Plus, assume there are multiple layers of complicity and leveraging going on at al times in each player. Also, assume everyone arrives with plans A_B_C_D_and E, and that the goal posts are always moving according to things we have no knowledge of.

I think 45's position in the world migrates by the hour. This is some kind of pre-game or half-time strategy session, and each person there may have vastly differing perspectives on where they think everyone else is.

Or maybe I read too many spy novels.

[Corgigal]

14. They are gonna try a intervention

With Trump. They are gonna try to talk sense into a narcissist.

I wouldn't want to be them, he might fire them all tonight. Republicans who are hiding, get ready cause I doubt this is gonna fly.

[Miles Archer]

16. I'm thinking Afghanistan and attempted intervention

Bannon is making statements on freakin' WAR. That's not his job. That can't go on forever.

Then again, because they know Trump is "loyal" to Bannon (or afraid of the Brietbart hellstorm he'll unleash if he's fired), anything they say to Trump about Bannon will go in one ear and out the other.

Kelly might threaten to quit. That will only encourage Trimp to come up with a nickname for Kelly.

I don't know. Keeping my expectations very, very low.

[Corgigal]

18. Oh, I think it's all gonna blow

No idea who will be left standing. Everyone try to sneak in a nap today, if able, and try to relax when it goes down.

[milestogo]

17. Afghanistan is going to become our colony

and then the US will move on to colonizing the rest of the world. Because when you're a star, they let you do it.

[lindysalsagal]

36. Sadly, I think that's an accurate summation of all the 3rd-grade ideas in 45's yellow head...

[GoCubsGo]

19. It's probably their latest Kabuki theatre performance.

A whole lot of show for a whole lot of nothing. I'm sure they'll discuss something, maybe even Afghanistan. But, it wouldn't surprise me if this is only a show being put on to make it look like the Vulgar Talking Yam is still engaged, and not only concerned with playing golf while his country burns.

[get the red out]

20. Pence might be fired

Pence might be coming back to be fired or resign. Just throwing that out there since there is no way to figure this pseudo administration out.

[drray23]

23. not possible.

the vice president is elected and can not be fired by the president.

[Scoopster]

24. It'd be freaking hilarious tho.

I'd pay good money to see Pence's outburst of laughter if the Clown ever said that.

[Dave Starsky]

25. This game has changed more times than Monopoly.

I mean, when Monopoly is played with the popular "Tax money on Free Parking" rule that drags the game out forever until everyone quits in disgust. Monopoly played by the rules in the box is actually a decent game.

I hold no hopes whatsoever for the Camp David rendezvous. In fact, applying Bayes' theorem, and given that every single day has been a shitshow in this administration, I am pretty sure that whatever is being cooked up there is going to be bad. For us.

[hunter]

39. Monopoly is a demonstration of what's *WRONG* with capitalism.

I should hope we want to live in a society that is stable and "drags" out forever, everyone having enough money to keep on playing. Taxes are one way of accomplishing this.

I'm not a fan of board games, nevertheless one of my kids mastered Monopoly by middle school, wins about as much as statistically possible, but plays it for the irony of smashing people who are so brainwashed by our culture (winners good, losers bad!) that they are missing the point of the game. (My wife has occasionally taught statistics, so we know where that comes from...)

Trump is just an asshole hiding behind a shit canon. He thinks he's a winner, but he's a loser as a businessman and as a President who will be remembered among our nation's worst. I think he's got maybe five brain cells that know this and every noise he makes is an attempt to cover that up.

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. Nothing's going to happen

Then, next week, some other crazy and unpredictable catastrophe.

[Judi Lynn]

28. If you wonder why Pence's remark about Trump seemed familiar, it IS!

From Wikipedia, describing part of Robert Kennedy's eulogy at JFK's funeral:

My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it. Those of us who loved him and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will some day come to pass for all the world. As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him: 'Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not.'[250]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

[Hugin]

29. Okay, here's my supposition...

Since you brought it up.

Maybe it is to Privatize the war in Afghanistan.

Pence was required because he's close buds with Erik "The Goober Who Would be Viceroy" Prince.

The Pence-Prince-DeVos-Mercer constellation of treachery and treason is about all the Rotten Circus Peanut has left after he lost ALL of the CEOs and probably Grease-ball Bannon this week.

There's my thoughts.

I doubt there's anything we'd really care about happening.

[lunasun]

30. Afghanistan turned over to fundie war monger Prince . Possibly DHS head will be uncle Joe announced

In AZ . Pence just came back from down south so possibly some Venezuela move . Pence is there as Fundie major cheerleader a big part of trump base. They are not going anywhere resigning blah blah just don't believe this for what the 100th time I have read this or Maddow said this is it wait for tomorrow. Good for ratings I guess

[Miles Archer]

32. That would be a first

Arpaio, convicted, gets a pardon and is appointed head of DHS.

It's just the kind of move Trump would make. Hoping that doesn't happen.

[lunasun]

35. I'd like to think he is resigning but if I am in Vegas and have to bet , sorry no cash on that

Only hope is he has some major Mueller problems , I don't see it happening though this month

[nancy1942]

37. Whatever it is it will be gawd-awful.

Every move they make is an outrage.

[Miles Archer]

38. If he does the Arpaio thing, it will be another raised middle finger

He's pissing off too many Republicans. Only a handful have called him out by name, and even fewer have labeled him "unfit for the job." Pardoning Arpaio...and potentially naming him as head of DHS...would be so blindingly tone-deaf that while I don't want to believe he'd actually do it, it fits into his style perfectly. He would SEEK the outrage because he THRIVES on it.