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Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:50 AM

See a Nazi, Punch a Nazi

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Reply See a Nazi, Punch a Nazi (Original post)
hueymahl Aug 2017 OP
disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #1
dalton99a Aug 2017 #2
L. Coyote Aug 2017 #3
bdamomma Aug 2017 #8
Efilroft Sul Aug 2017 #25
Gothmog Aug 2017 #4
Squinch Aug 2017 #5
Adrahil Aug 2017 #10
Squinch Aug 2017 #16
Adrahil Aug 2017 #19
Squinch Aug 2017 #21
SharonClark Aug 2017 #27
Adrahil Aug 2017 #39
Squinch Aug 2017 #45
moriah Aug 2017 #55
Squinch Aug 2017 #56
Adrahil Aug 2017 #57
The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #30
Squinch Aug 2017 #32
AllyCat Aug 2017 #42
Orrex Aug 2017 #12
Squinch Aug 2017 #17
Orrex Aug 2017 #18
Squinch Aug 2017 #20
Orrex Aug 2017 #23
Squinch Aug 2017 #29
Coventina Aug 2017 #33
Orrex Aug 2017 #35
Javaman Aug 2017 #46
SharonClark Aug 2017 #34
Orrex Aug 2017 #40
SharonClark Aug 2017 #47
Orrex Aug 2017 #51
LanternWaste Aug 2017 #22
Squinch Aug 2017 #24
SharonClark Aug 2017 #28
linuxman Aug 2017 #60
BainsBane Aug 2017 #6
DrDan Aug 2017 #7
L. Coyote Aug 2017 #9
DrDan Aug 2017 #14
Squinch Aug 2017 #36
MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #13
SharonClark Aug 2017 #31
Squinch Aug 2017 #37
Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #15
Squinch Aug 2017 #38
snort Aug 2017 #48
Adrahil Aug 2017 #11
GusBob Aug 2017 #26
askyagerz Aug 2017 #41
B2G Aug 2017 #43
mythology Aug 2017 #44
snort Aug 2017 #49
askyagerz Aug 2017 #50
Egnever Aug 2017 #53
progressoid Aug 2017 #58
Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #52
IronLionZion Aug 2017 #54
melman Aug 2017 #59
linuxman Aug 2017 #61
Wolf Frankula Aug 2017 #62
liquid diamond Aug 2017 #63
Beartracks Aug 2017 #64

Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:03 AM

1. Agreed, It is past time for this..

the left needs to employ one of the rights favorite terms.. forget "political correctness" - Nazis haven't earned it

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:07 AM

2. We're facing an existential threat that does not accept dialog.

Turning the other cheek is suicide.

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:13 AM

3. #ImpeachTheNazi should be trending #1


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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:25 AM

8. scary but true

This is our house, he needs to goooooooooooo!!!!

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:07 AM

25. Trump: Yes, We Klan!

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:14 AM

4. Great cartoon

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:15 AM

5. No.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:41 AM

10. Yes.

Nazis are an existential threat to many of my friends. Fuck them.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:47 AM

16. Mine too. We've been here before. We've had great people who taught us how to deal with it.

Dr. King and Ghandi for two.

When the numbers are on our side, as they are, the only thing that permanently beats violent bigotry is non-violence.

Meeting them with violence makes them grow.

If we had fewer numbers, I might think differently, but we vastly outnumber them.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:58 AM

19. This feels different. And I am no pacifist.

I'm not suggesting we go out and gun them down by any means.

But we've seen our ability to defeat them at the ballot box eroded by gerrymandering, disenfranchisement, and apathy. We MUST be willing to do what's necessary to ultimately stop them. Make no mistake. This isn't 1968. Our enemy is very sophisticated.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:03 AM

21. I'm no pacifist either. But violence will legitimize them, will allow them to say, "Both sides do

it," and will bring others to their side.

Right now when they say, "Both sides do it," they are patently ridiculous. If we meet them with violence, they will no longer be ridiculous.

Nonviolence is the only thing that will work here.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:09 AM

27. Totally agree. We don't need allies who undercut our message.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:30 AM

39. So what's the message?

Like I said, I don't suggest we instigate violence, but we should set ourselves up to be victims, either.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:52 AM

45. The message is that what they are doing is evil, that what they are doing is completely

illegitimate, that they are vastly outnumbered, and that their methods and beliefs will never be accepted in our country.

And the only way to send that message is through non-violence.

And sadly, it is possible that some of us will be victims if we are to prove that we really believe that message. I know that nonviolence is the more difficult course. It takes more courage. And I know that every one of those Nazis and Trump(R) deserve to have their heads cracked open. But we can't say that their beliefs and methods are disgusting to us while emulating their methods.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #45)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:33 AM

55. Thank you.

If we are going to preserve the right to protest, we have to do it peacefully. And sadly, the quality of organization for dealing with protest against a regime that thinks you're more than a pest has deteriorated. I haven't seen any jail solidarity trainings being offered, very few legal observers from the NLG, etc, and we NEED those again.

There have always been moles in every protest group who instigate violence. That's why the number one rule must be that publicized, videotaped martyrdom is the PR tool that works best. "Direct nonviolent action" is the only illegal thing people should be doing, preferably not even destruction of property without a significant meaning behind it (the guy who has run over two Ten Commandments monuments doing them in the dead of night is offensive but didn't hurt anyone and was directed at a specific violation of the Constitution is very different from a person plowing into a crowded protest deliberately to hurt or kill people).

It should be policy for any affinity group or organization that any person suggesting violence is expelled, and that be placed prominently in the materials provided or spoken clearly at the first meeting and those who don't agree should not hear anything about any planned "direct nonviolent action". Whether they are just too hotheaded or are a plant paid for now by the same people paying for the Planned Parenthood "stings" (one person agitating for violence during planning for the Women's March was found to be tied to those people), or as it used to be and are "just the government"....

The very right to protest is being threatened by people perceived as liberals doing violence during protests. Trump is targeting every possible part of the First Amendment he can. We have to try to prevent it by absolutely condemning violence, at EVERY level, from us sitting around talking about it, to large organizations, to smaller affinity groups. No one should plan a "direct action" that involves lawbreaking worse than sitting in front of something to be dragged off, or blocking of roads for a very important reason (the Native American-led protests about the pipeline), unless they're doing it OFFline.

We have the Gungeon for a reason, though, and by the time any President crosses too many lines there are people who will work together, even if they fail, to stop it. That's when the Gungeoneers would mobilize themselves, without being asked, to remind everyone on their gun forums that the Second is supposed to defend the First, whether it's by pretending to be a Libertarian sick of things or playing it straight.

Better to not play directly into Trump's hands by allowing any discussion of violence unless he starts trying to revoke FCC licenses or other obvious, proven, direct attacks on the ability of the press to continue writing, or the ability for a nonviolent protest to happen at all (rather than merely provoking by scheduling delats, etc).

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Response to moriah (Reply #55)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:37 AM

56. This is very well said. Thank you.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #45)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:01 PM

57. Go for it. I'll certainly support that up to the point violence begins.

And then I hit back.

NEVER AGAIN.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:12 AM

30. They are already saying it , including shitler, so what's the difference?

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:13 AM

32. And what is the reaction to that? Do you think more people are waking up in support of

Trump(R) or in opposition to him today?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:47 AM

42. Agree Squinch.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:44 AM

12. Tell you what--I'll punch your Nazi for you

That way your karma will be clean, and I'll get to experience the joy of punching two Nazis.

Thanks!

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Response to Orrex (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:49 AM

17. See post 16.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:55 AM

18. Martin Luther King Jr accepted the necessity of violent response to violence

He maintained an arsenal of firearms expressly for purposes of self defense.

As for Gandhi, there's always his letter to Hitler:
Dear friend,

Friends have been urging me to write to you for the sake of humanity. But I have resisted their request, because of the feeling that any letter from me would be an impertinence. Something tells me that I must not calculate and that I must make my appeal for whatever it may be worth.

It is quite clear that you are today the one person in the world who can prevent a war which may reduce humanity to the savage state. Must you pay the price for an object however worthy it may appear to you to be? Will you listen to the appeal of one who has seliberately [sic] shunned the method of war not without considerable success? Any way I anticipate your forgiveness, if I have erred in writing to you.

I remain,
Your sincere friend
M.K.Gandhi


Non-violence did not stop Nazis from exterminating 6 million human beings, nor Stalin from killing 7 to 10 million.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:00 AM

20. And Dr. King NEVER used those weapons in response to a violent opponent.

And again, we vastly outnumber them. That was not the case in Germany or Russia.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:06 AM

23. "And Dr. King NEVER used those weapons in response to a violent opponent."

Why, exactly, do you think he owned them? Elk hunting?

Why did he seek a concealed carry permit?

How, exactly will our numbers stop them? Please be specific.

Doxxing these fuckers is great, but once violence has begun, doxxing and public shaming won't stop them.


If I some day encounter you on the street, and you're being slowly beaten to death by an assailant, would you prefer that I stand by nonviolently, so that the force of my nonviolent presence shames your assailant into submission?

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Response to Orrex (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:12 AM

29. When did Dr. King use his gun? On whom? He never acted against his non-violence message.

Suggesting that he did is disrespectful.

Doxxing and public shaming are the only things that will stop them.

If we are marching together and I am beaten, I hope you and I can muster a tenth of the courage of, say, John Lewis. I hope you will drag me away and take my place in the line.

Because what better way is there to show the evil of the people with the clubs?

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Response to Orrex (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:14 AM

33. Buddhists also condone violence for the sake of a greater good.

If your violence prevents a greater crime from being committed, then it is necessary.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:16 AM

35. Thank you.

That is more or less exactly my stance. I abhor the initiation of violence, but violence to stop greater violence is 100% fine with me.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:53 AM

46. +1.

nazi's no nothing else.

trying to "turn the other cheek" with these assholes will get you punched in the face.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:14 AM

34. And your karma will be in jail.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:33 AM

40. You should have gone with "your karma will be impounded"

Or maybe "repo'ed."

I abhor the initiation of violence, but a violent response to greater violence is a-ok with me.

I seriously doubt that I would be jailed for punching two Nazis in self-defense.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #40)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:54 AM

47. "See a Nazi - Punch a Nazi" is an initiation to violence

You've just now mentioned 'in self-defense'. Glad you clarified it.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #47)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:18 AM

51. You're correct. I mentioned self-defense yesterday, but not so explicitly today

That was unclear of me.

As for the see/punch bit, I hoped that it was clear from context that this was hyperbole. That's how I took the discussion, anyway. Perhaps this was unclear as well.


My bad.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:04 AM

22. Shake hands with a Nazi, talk sensibly to him, and let him see the error of his ways

Shake hands with a Nazi, talk sensibly to him, and let him see the error of his ways as he admits his indiscretions.

Let us know how that goes!

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:06 AM

24. You know that's not what I am saying. As I said before, they show up with 100, we

show up with 5000. We respond to their violence with non-violence, but we give no ground.

Meeting their violence with violence will legitimize them, legitimize their claims that "both sides do it," and it will make them grow.

Meeting their violence with non-violence shows them for the evil they are and makes them shrivel.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:11 AM

28. No one is suggesting that and you should know that.

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:16 AM

6. See a Nazi, shun a Nazi

See a Nazi, vote against the Nazi.

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:23 AM

7. great idea - promote some violence

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Response to DrDan (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:39 AM

9. Precisely what they are seeking to elicit so Trump can point to the violent left and justify hatred.

This is how civil wars are started.

And when it is over and they have stolen the whole country, we can say, "Wow, someone stole the whole country, but we were right to fight." No thanks. #ImpeachNow




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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:46 AM

14. agree

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:24 AM

36. Exactly! We resort to violence and we are playing into their hands. We lose.

We stand up to their violence with non-violence and our massively greater numbers and we make their evil obvious. We win.

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Response to DrDan (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:44 AM

13. By golly, your right!

I shall try to hold in my pre-determined biases while I politely listen to what this man has to say....

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:12 AM

31. No one said you have to be polite.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:24 AM

37. You know that isn't what anyone is saying.

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Response to DrDan (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:47 AM

15. Nazis bring violence with them wherever they go.

So it is upon us whether we choose to promote it or not.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:25 AM

38. YES!

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Response to DrDan (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:07 AM

48. Where's Neville Chamberlain when you need him?

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:42 AM

11. We're through being cool.

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:08 AM

26. "Mr Chamberlain, how did your meeting with Hitler go?'

Great old chap! I can guarantee 'peace in our time'

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:42 AM

41. My grandpa

Would roll over in his grave if a didn't punch a Nazi that was spewing his shit in front me. We have been at war with these idiots a long time now. Tired of all the calls to do this peacefully. This isn't like the civil rights movement where the few have to bring change to the entire system through peaceful demonstrations. The Nazis are seriously outnumbered and just need to be ran the fuck out of town just like all of our older generations would have done. They are equivalent to a bunch of boys playing war games who just never grew up. Spank their asses and move on...

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:50 AM

43. You can't 'punch' out an ideology.

 

It might get you arrested and make you feel better, but it solves nothing.

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:51 AM

44. You do understand Indiana Jones was fictional right?

 

If your response to merely seeing somebody you disagree with is violence, the difference between you and what you hate gets very small morally and ethically. Nazis are bad because some percentage of the commit violence and to show how wrong that is, you advocate committing violence whether or not the particular nazi in question committed violence, much less was committing violence at that moment that would morally justify retaliatory violence.

Just because my biological dad was an abusive asshole who sometimes hit me for no reason wouldn't justify me going and hitting him now.

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Response to mythology (Reply #44)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:11 AM

49. They didn't hit somebody,

they slaughtered millions. They'll do it again.

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Response to mythology (Reply #44)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:11 AM

50. I have punched people

And they were all justified. Punching a Nazi talking about hurting people you love is no different then stopping someone in the middle of beating a woman. These people only know violence. They think thats their advantage on us. They are wrong. The best way to stop a bully is show them you're willing to fight back

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Response to askyagerz (Reply #50)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:23 AM

53. Yup

 

This clown understands now. Typical bully full of threats and cheering the death of the the anti protesters yesterday.Today a crying baby just wanting peace.. Fuck those bully assholes.

https://t.co/PmYfN9c69v

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Response to Egnever (Reply #53)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:48 PM

58. What a snowflake!

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:23 AM

52. That'd be a great video game. But not a good way to be in reality. Because it's illegal...

It's illegal to hit someone for words. It's actions that count. Like a march, decked out in fighting gear, shouting anti-humanity slogans in a local community, for the purpose of antagonizing the community.

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:26 AM

54. We wouldn't have even heard about Charlottesville if leftists hadn't challenged them

We wouldn't be talking about it here or on talk shows and forums and dinner table conversations. I know this because there have been many nazi rallies like this around the country since the election they didn't get much attention. Violence gets the headlines.

Gandhi and MLK's nonviolence is promoted by the people who revise and rewrite history to benefit them. They don't like us knowing about the tremendous influence of people like Malcolm X, Black panthers, Nat Turner, Mangal Pandey, and others who were a bit more active in their protests in ways that scare the right people in the right ways

India's first war of independence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:51 PM

59. It's easy to talk tough on the internet

But in real life punching people can get you arrested and/or seriously hurt or worse.

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Response to melman (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:35 PM

61. If I had a Nickel for everyone on this site that has ever punched a Nazi, I could buy a cup of coffe

 
















In 1920

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:46 PM

62. Don't Punch a Nazi, you could damage your hand.

Shoot a Nazi. "When in doubt, shoot a fascist. If certain, shoot two." Gamir Ulibarri.

Wolf

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:20 PM

63. Spot on.

 

I'm tired of people defending these assholes at DU no less. I love that clip of Spencer getting sucker punched. Shit never gets old.

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Response to hueymahl (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:51 PM

64. I hate Illinois Nazis



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