Obama RESPONDS To Romney Request for APOLOGY

[Segami]

Hey Willard,...Lets not forget your own words...

"Sauce for the GOOSE is sauce for the GANDER" ...Really?..Well here is some sauce for your Goose...





PoliticalWire:


" Mitt Romney asked for an apology yesterday from President Obama on the attacks over Romney's tenure at Bain Capital.



The Obama campaign responds today with a video.



Here's the video:

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[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. They are not fucking around. nt

[dkf]

2. This is so disgustingly juvenile. When are we going to get the policy debate we deserve?

I've learned more about Mitt's dog than about how he governed Massachusets or what kind of policies he plans to pursue. This is such a waste of time.

[lunatica]

6. All the debates are scheduled in October.

Jesus! Google it!

debates: http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2012-presidential-debate-schedule/

[Liberty Belle]

157. Absentee ballots are out the first few days of October and most here vote absentee.

Debates should start in September!

[Patiod]

7. This is actually right to the point

He's running as a Super Great Business Executive who is going to Save America.

The fact that the company he ran directly caused thousands of people to lose their jobs while he was running it]/i] is incredibly germane to his primary supposed qualification to lead this country.

[dkf]

29. Back and forths about accusations of lying and hurt feelings needing apologies are pathetic.

Romney has brought our President down to his level. This is sad.

[progressivebydesign]

40. and your comment illustrates why the Democrats rarely win... n/t

[asjr]

43. No, our President will never be brought down to Romney's level.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

100. Rising above it didn't help John Kerry in 2004

[msanthrope]

108. Damn straight. nt

[brutus smith]

151. Swift boat

Kerry not fighting back on the swift boat adds was a really winning strategy wasn't it? When you are playing hardball with Rethugs, pitch 'em high and tight.

[karynnj]

154. Kerry did respond - but the media condoned a character assassination

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They gave the SBVT lots of airtime and that - more than the ads - gave the charges some credibility with people that they never deserved.

The campaign's immediate reaction to the August attack was to put out 36 pages listing lies and discrepancies in the book. That was done within ONE DAY of the book's emergence in August.(In 2008, the first reaction of the Obama team was to put out 41 pages on lies in Corsi's book.) This should have been sufficient to spike their attack. How many lies are people usually allowed when they are disputing the official record, offering nothing - not one Telex, photo, or record sent upward discussing Kerry as the problem portrayed in the book - as proof. They also later proved the links to Bush - in funding, lawyers, and in one case the B/C people were caught passing it out. In addition, Kerry surrogates including some of his crew, Rassman and Cleland countered it. (Like Kerry, Obama used surrogates against Corsi rather than respond himself)

That was far more proof countering the liars than the Clinton machine ever put out on anything. The problem was that it went to the media and they refused to play the role of evaluating who was telling the truth - the Washington Post's editor even saying they wouldn't. The broadcast media was worse. Would Obama have done as well if the networks and cable TV failed to give coverage to his speech on race in the furor over Reverand Wright?

Many Democrats, including Edwards who was asked to, did little. It wasn't that tey had no ammunition to use. There was an abundance of proof - far more than would be typically available as they hit against a well documented official record. Even before the August re-emergence, the Kerry campaign had already provided the media with more than enough backup for them to reject the August attack out of hand.

It should also be mentioned that it was not Kerry's accounts they disputed, it was the NAVY's official record. Backing the NAVY account over the SBVT, Kerry had the following:

he had 120 pages of naval records - spanning the entire interval with glowing fitness reports - all given to the media and on his web site from April on. That alone should have been enough.

He had every man on his boat for every medal earned 100% behind him. That alone should have been enough.

He had the Nixon administration on tape (that they thought would never be public) saying he was both a genuine war hero and clean, but for political reasons should be destroyed. (SBVT O'Neil was one of those tasked to destroy Kerry in 1971.) That alone should have been enough.

He also was given a plum assignment in Brooklyn as an aide to a rear admiral. From the naval records, this required a higher security clearance - clearly his "employers" of the last 3 years (many SBVT) had to attest to his good character. That's just standard. That alone should have been enough.

The then secretary of the Navy (John Warner) said he personally had reviewed the Silver Star Award. That alone should have been enough.

Compare this list of proof to Carville & Co response on Clinton's Flowers or draft problems - this is far more comprehensive and completely refutes the charges. The Clinton responses in these two instances did not completely refute the charges - in fact, after changing his story a few times in each case - conceding that earlier statements were not completely true - parts of the charges were conceded. The difference was that in 1992 - even in the primary - Clinton was given breaks by a media that wanted him to win. The fact is that we KNEW in those two cases that he was willing to dissemble and scapegoat others when he was called on his actions - two things that later hurt his Presidency.

In any previous election, calmly and professionally countering lies by disproving them would have been the obvious preferred first step. It is only when there is no open and shut case (as there is here) that the candidate would try anything different.When this didn't work, Kerry did speak to the issue - and he did so before the Firefighters as soon as it was appear that the attack was beginning to hurt him. Many here - all political junkies didn't here this. Why? The media that gave a huge amount of free time to people they had to know were lying didn't think that it was important to give the Democratic nominees response air time. Now, it was - I think less than 2 minutes long - so there is no excuse.

[eridani]

165. And what was the result of Kerry responding like a rational adult--

--and point by point exposing lies? Losing. A vicious counterattack based on truth would have been much more effective. We know that Obama is being effective here because the Repukes are whining so much about it. You don't have to lie like they do, but you do have to go for peoples' emotions. Most voters are not DU-type policy wonks.

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168. I still believe Kerry won.

Both Florida & Ohio. Enough time wasn't spent on Preventing voter fraud.

Campaign wise, I think Kery did an excellent job. I will agree with you; candidates have to go for the emotions. The democrats could be better at that.

[eridani]

170. I believe that as well. Wish he had fought back in Ohio

It may or may not have put him over the top, but the Repuke cheating would have gotten a good airing out.

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178. I understand people feeling that way...

but I think by the time they were done counting the votes; it was too late.

That's why I believe we need to fight for paper ballots, or at least some kind of paper trail.

[brutus smith]

177. Emotional

Point being Kerry should have ripped his shirt off, showed his scars, and then pull out his purple hearts, and his silver and bronze stars.

[Doremus]

85. Hardly.

But I'm not surprised you would think so. Nor is the rest of DU.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

129. Yep.

Is obvious.

[polly7]

99. Watching from outside, I think he absolutely needed to do this. Leaving something

like this to fester without any action at all is just inviting more of it, and Romney and his supporters seem to gain strength if they sense an unwillingness to fight back. Typical bullies and sociopaths. imo.

[siligut]

119. I am in complete agreement

The ad takes away Romney's power.

[mac56]

101. Please email the lyrics to "Kum-Ba-Yah" to the White House.

Maybe you can lead them in it.

[Drunken Irishman]

116. Michael Dukakis...that you?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

149. You got that right...

If we learned nothing else from 1988 its that you should never bring a knife to a gun fight.

[backscatter712]

161. Never bring a Kumbaya to a gun fight! n/t

[Ikonoklast]

118. Ha! You wish.

At least you're consistent with the "They're both the same!@!!!" bullshit.

Every single time.

[Rex]

123. No only your words do so, maybe next time

think harder before posting.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

155. Accusing someone of lying requires them to produce evidence to the contrary

Letting someone get away with a lie encourages them to continue lying. A lie told enough times becomes the truth, I believe it has been said.

Having "hurt feelings" is a character trait which the voters can consider in making their decision. Thick skinned, thin skinned, empathetic, emotionally detached, etc. become part of the intangible qualities we use in making our choice. The fact that so many people found Bush to be "someone I'd like to have a beer with" lead to eight years of unrelenting war and death, economic ruin, and 9/11.

[Skidmore]

10. Romney has no policy proposals.

I've seen ads here referring to his governance in Massachusetts. Romney is getting exactly what he puts out and this is a test of his character.

[dkf]

33. I'm beginning to realize that. I have no idea what we are possibly getting in to with Romney.

Having lived through the Bush debacle when it seemed so obvious he was not up to the task my faith in the electorate is low. I just wish the Obama team were trying to pin him down more on policy so I know how to be defensive if I need to.

[CreekDog]

76. you don't know? you mean you depend on press releases and ads to inform you?

you can't look at his record, his party and his words to figure out enough about him to make a decision?

come on.

[xxqqqzme]

84. I know is is a foreign concept

for many democrats but I think Obama is playing offense here.

[Chan790]

94. Romney's strategy-in-campaign is policy-campaign negation.

That's his campaign policy: "I will not be tied down to governance policy during this campaign so that the President cannot campaign on my policy initiatives. I'm running on my record in office, my record as Olympics organizer and my business record." You want to pin him down on policy but he's already fully committed to running a policy-free campaign win-or-lose.

To my POV, it's legitimate to explore that record if we can't explore his ideas. Think of it as the world's longest job interview and we're HR. Why is it dirty campaigning to examine his resume and call his references if he's applying on the strength of his experience and resume?

[Rex]

124. No idea?

Boy you sure are flip flopping all over the place. You need someone else to tell you how to think? Really?

[uppityperson]

141. And he'll be defensive "IF" he needs to. "IF" he disagrees with Romney's stands. "IF".

[uppityperson]

140. You want the "Obama team" to tell you his policy to know "how to be defensive IF I need to"?

You seriously don't know about Romney's stances? And you seriously will be defensive IF you need to? IF?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

150. That's precisely what they're doing...

The be-all and end-all of Mitt Romney's resume is that he's a savvy businessman who know how to create jobs -- that's because he sure as hell can't run on his signature accomplishment as governor of Massachusetts.

So if Team Obama can gut and filet his business record, then Mittens has nothing. About three more weeks of this kind of punishment and I wouldn't be surprised if there's brokered convention.

[Volaris]

174. Yep. and if you think that would end up badly for Team Obama, I think you would be wrong.

Think about it this way...if the GOP and their idiot 'bagger base kick R-Money to the curb at the last minute, the Obama camp gets to use arguments like:

How can they run a country when they can't get it together to run a PRIMARY right?
Oh, look, the NEW and "better" GOP presidential candidate (what is this, like the 7th person they have looked at in a year?)
This guy didn't even WANT to try for this job, otherwise he would have run in the ACTUAL PRIMARY
Oh, look at that. ANOTHER Bush wants to be President. Didn't see THAT coming..In that case I guess we had just better give it up now, and all pack for home...
Etc, etc, etc.

The GOP would lose HUGE. And the GOP KNOWS THIS.

As an aside, I would take half an Axelrod and a whole Plouffe against 12 KKKarl Roves anyday.

Romney is in for the asskicking of his LIFE between now and Election Night.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

180. As I've said elsewhere....

The pathetic thing about the 2012 Republican Party is that Mitt Romney really IS their best candidate. Michelle Bachman? Newt Gingrich? Rick Perry?

They've got nothing.

[coalition_unwilling]

11. "Disgustingly juvenile" - WTF? This is bare-knuckle politics practiced

by brilliant people. I am in awe.

This ad is fucking devastating to Romney. I hope it is run continuously in every red state that is in play.

[dkf]

39. This used to be why I liked politics early on.

But our problems are so serious that the unserious nature of the discourse is alarming.

[coalition_unwilling]

44. Until we can do away with McCarthyism once and for all (and

you'll see many examples in the Romney snippets here), there can be no serious discourse.

This is the way you serve a hypocritical whining PoS richie rich. Bam! Pow! KA-POW!

[Aerows]

86. You like them because they were bare-knuckled

against Democrats, and can't stand it now that it is against a Republican?

I'm just inferring that from your statement, so could you please clarify why you liked it before and don't like it now?

[muriel_volestrangler]

142. The US's biggest problem is the power of modern Republicans in politics

The ultra-right wingnuts, and those who bow to them, like Romney. If you want to examine policy proposals, you can; Romney wants to repeal the PPACA act, devastate Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security by implementing the Ryan budget, weaken regulations, build the XL pipeline to risk the environment and increase the danger of irreversible climate change, and give in to the fossil fuel lobby and plunge the planet into chaos. He's a disaster for the world, and the USA, waiting to happen, and we all know it already. But sometimes, a simple "this man is a liar, trying to cover up his unpleasant business activities" message is the way to convince some undecided voters. They're not all like you.

[D23MIURG23]

152. If you want a factual, reasoned discussion of our problems...

then that will only happen within the democratic party itself or in a non-partisan forum.

The republicans are busy arguing that tax cuts are an economic panacea, that war is the only policy for disagreements for other foreign powers, and that global climate change is a myth.

If you want solutions to real problems instead of exacerbated problems, then that entails removing the republicans who stand in the way from power, and preventing them from returning to it.

[RetroLounge]

13. And yet, here you are...

"This is so disgustingly juvenile."

Self-examined life, and all that...

RL

[fascisthunter]

18. no, you are a waste of time

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Ever been around during an Election year?

[dkf]

52. It gets sadder every year.

The local mayoral ads are so outrageous I've started lol at them.

[maddezmom]

66. yeah, lots of things get sadder every year

[Aerows]

87. ZING!

[msanthrope]

110. You better believe it. nt

[watrwefitinfor]

136. You din't! LOL n/t

[Iggo]

112. Oh!

[Ikonoklast]

121. Stop it! You'll make Frank cry!

[Rex]

125. As someone else said

You BBI.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

130. Sadder and more obvious.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Ouch! Perhaps you could fill us in on Mitt's policies, as he never speaks of them at all.

Do you think it is the job of the Democrats to convey to Americans what Mitt's policies are? Why isn't Mitt doing that? He's had months to define himself, to be defined by his supporters on the right, why have they not done so?
This is a great ad by the way, for those of us who want Obama to win.

[dkf]

49. Romney is an idiot but amazingly he could still win.

Better we know what we are possibly getting in to.

[Iggo]

113. Well we better be nice to him then.

[2ndAmForComputers]

182. Hope springs eternal, I guess.

[maddezmom]

31. LOL

maybe you should be perusing this instead of DU.
http://www.mittromney.com/

[The Magistrate]

41. A Sound Suggestion, Ma'am

And on several levels....

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

[tapermaker]

117. now there is a bumber sticker i would put on my car ,kudos!!

[UnrepentantLiberal]

131. Will pursuing this.

http://www.dominos.com/

[Jim__]

35. You run a campaign on policy and let us all know how it works out. - n/t

[myrna minx]

47. Let us know what Mitt's policies are and well happily discuss them.

So far, he hasn't stated any. All he's done is attack the President. That is apparently his only policy. Oh that and tax cuts for the rich.

[Marr]

53. Concern noted.

[Nye Bevan]

77. Always amusing when a non-DU donor suggests that a donor is a troll (nt)

[Aerows]

88. Is this the only person you could pick on in this string of posts?

Hmmm. Okay. Whatever floats your boat.

[Nye Bevan]

92. And "concern noted" is SO original and creative.

This DUer obviously has a lot to offer. I hope that he or she chooses to become a star member of our community.

[Marr]

98. Do you always respond so negatively to the "concern noted" line?

No?

/pout

[Ikonoklast]

122. Funny how often when you find one, you'll find the other.

Funny.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

132. It's obvious.

[Hatchling]

135. Come on!

Some really exceptional long time DU'ers CANNOT AFFORD to become a star member. Waging your own little class warfare right here, aren't you?

[uppityperson]

144. When my star runs out I can't afford to pay DU. Wish I could but other bills come first.

Yup, no worried about Duers mocking others for their starless status. Nope, no class warfare at all.

[Aerows]

148. I'm so long lived in this

That it doesn't matter what anyone else does, as long as they show their love, and dedication.

[cali]

167. I can't afford to donate to DU

Until my last surgery, I was using duct taped and super glued crutches. literally. some of us actually can't afford it.

[GoCubsGo]

171. Yep. Some of us had stars donated to us right before the rules change.

And, we probably won't be able to afford to donate once they expired, either. That being said, I don't know how someone who has been here since 2005 and has more than 12,000 posts could get past the admins and the moderators/forum hosts all that time if they really were trolls.

[PamKlaus]

185. "I don't know how someone who has been here since 2005 and has more than 12,000 posts could get..."

It happens sometimes:

About LoZoccolo
Account status: Posting privileges revoked
Member since: 2003 before July 6th
Number of posts: 29,393

Revoked on Apr 18, 2012

Reason: Troll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=127001&sub=trans

[Marr]

96. Well, we can't all submit the fee as an expense report to our supervisor.

Still, it's nice of you to get your pals' back.

[Nye Bevan]

102. Ah, so the Koch brothers are paying for his donor star.

Those bastards. Is there no limit to their deviousness?

And they would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling troll-hunter.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

133. I notice the only people concerned about troll hunters are...

well, you know...

[Chan790]

97. Plenty of donors are trolls.

Lots of people who have seen the banhammer of Skinner for trolling have been donors; it even says so on their transparency pages. I fail to see what you're amused by.

Hey look, it's another non-donor accusing donors of being trolls.

Both the allegation and the reality Some donors are trolls should be an at-face-value statement at this point.

[RetroLounge]

138. As amusing as sock puppets.

Your concern about the concern is noted.



RL

[uppityperson]

143. I'll be a non-donor soon. Want to snark at me and say you have more right to "suggest a donor

is a troll" than I do?

[Wind Dancer]

146. Good grief!

Do you have a problem with ALL posters without stars? Good thing the rest of DUer's don't share your opinion.

[Brewinblue]

166. Always amusing when a Mets fan

displays his or her superiority.

[2pooped2pop]

175. on this subject

I think most of the actual trolls probably donate because they think it throws us off their trail.

and maybe it does. lol

so please don't use dontation as a guide.

[TomCADem]

54. How When Romney Flips Flops By The Minute?

I think the purpose of the video is to point out that Romney is a liar. You can't have a serious policy debate with Romney, because aside from tax cuts to the rich, his positions change by the minute.

In the end, Romney is pro-corporation, which is why he is getting so much support from the Adelsons and Kochs of the world. Everything else is just to dupe whoever he happens to be speaking to.

[NYC Liberal]

58. Look around. We ARE having policy debates.

The problem is Romney doesn't want to have those debates. And if we don't respond to his attacks, those attacks will be all people hear about.

[pscot]

60. Let me give you a brief refresher in American presidential politics

Ma. ma! Where's my pa?



After Cleveland won, the rejoinder was, "Gone to the Whitehouse. Ha, ha, ha! "

[DevonRex]

62. For the life of me I don't understand why you bother us. Nt

[CreekDog]

67. not sure whom to vote for yet?

you know, there's a lot of information here. perhaps it has not convinced you.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

134. You don't rememder?

They're not happy with Romney at the other site. Can't you see dkf's dilemma?

[LaurenG]

69. Um why do you need to hear how Mitt governed or his policy plans?

One would THINK that hearing anything more from or about Mitt would be a waste of time for a DEMOCRAT.

[DevonRex]

74. That made me go WTF too. Like she might

vote for him if she hears more?

[Scootaloo]

109. Given how many DU'ers seem to absolutely hate Obama...

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[hobbit709]

169. There are no DUers I've seen that "hate" Obama

But quite a few, myself included, that are not constant 150% cheerleaders for him.
I can support someone without agreeing 100% with everything he does.

[rhett o rick]

72. You must be new to politics if you think you deserve a policy debate. nm

[Doctor_J]

75. Rmoney's distinctly sociopathic character is quite applicable to the campaign

why don't you just tune out until October?

[seabeyond]

82. hm... then you are being very selective in what you read here and watch on the news

cause there is plenty of that info both here, the net and news.

educate yourself. it is available.

[treestar]

91. We haven't had that for a while

Quite a while.

Rmoney isn't telling us what his policies are. We don't need to know, according to him.

[Jackpine Radical]

106. Wow.

Republicans win elections by going for the throat with emotionally laden soundbites and empty symbolism.

Democrats lose elections by getting into technical explanations of complicated matters.

By all means let us continue the calm, rational discussions and leave the emotion-jerking to the Republicans. Who cares if they keep winning? We will know in our hearts that we have been doing the Right Thing.

[Scootaloo]

107. Thank you for forwarding Romeny Campaign talking points

Pouts your stance in this clearly on display

[Spazito]

126. Wow, thanks for the affirmation the Obama campaign is getting it just right!

They are obviously hitting the right notes when you post how unhappy you are with them. The more unhappy your posts are, the more I want to give them a big !

[Tarheel_Dem]

147. +1

[liberal N proud]

127. Romney has no policy to debate on

That is why he is on the defensive and needs to beg for apologies.

This could go down in history as one of the saddest Presidential candidates in history.

[B Calm]

137. Playing offense is juvenile?

[steve2470]

145. If we want to win, we MUST campaign aggressively with the TRUTH

There's absolutely nothing wrong with telling the truth loudly and often about Rmoney. Absolutely nothing.

They would do it about Obama in a nanosecond. You can bet on it.

[backscatter712]

158. Do you want to win this election or not?

Don't answer that.

[emilyg]

159. I've been wondering the

same thing.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

164. Pick an issue. He stands firmly on both sides.

I still think his wife is a witch and twitched up a second Romney.

That would explain everything.

[GoneOffShore]

181. Thanks for your input and concern -

I'm sure the Obama campaign would love to hear from you.

[lunatica]

3. Whine, whine, stutter, whine whine, blink, whine, whine.

The ad is very good! That's the message.

[Walk away]

4. Why did I have to watch that? nt

[lunatica]

8. Because the OP held a gun to your head

[still_one]

12. I agree, that is my impression also. It is not a good response. They don't get to the point until

the end, and by that time they let romney spout his propaganda

[treestar]

93. I thought that too

I still think it is good, it just gives Mittens too much airtime.

[RedCappedBandit]

120. I had that same reaction nt

[fascisthunter]

22. because your name was aptly, "Walk away"

is this your other handle?

[coalition_unwilling]

5. Fucking awesome! Start running it in red states that

are in play (althernating it with "America the Beutiful" commercial).

[still_one]

15. Really. The red states will only listen to the first three quarter and ignore the rest. Is this

for or against Obama?

[coalition_unwilling]

26. We're going to have to agree to disagree. This ad is devastating to Romney and

by my count, the Obama counter-punch begins at 0:16 (15% of the way in) and the punches just get stronger and stronger the longer the ad continues. Bam! Pow! KA-POW!!!!!

[still_one]

37. Well, I hope your impression is right and mine wrong /nt

[coalition_unwilling]

46. Me too. I like the ad b/c it gives the audience credit for its

intelligence and its ability to sniff out a whiny, hypocritical PoS huckster.

My only criticsm of it is the Gingrich coda -- seems a bit tacked on and a bit of an after-thought.

[still_one]

9. Frankly I think it is a crappy response. The ad spends the first three quarters letting romney

lie and trash the President, then the last quarter getting to the purpose of the rebuttal

Why give romney that much time spouting R/W talking points

They should get right to the point, just answer the question mitt, why is there inconsistent version of your time at bain, and what are you hiding by not releasing your tax returns

[Joe the Revelator]

16. Because the talking points, when put in context, are so absurd

That they hurt Mitt more than the President. Those are red meat attacks by Mitt that are embarrassing to normal people, and this ad is aimed at the independents

[still_one]

24. To you and me they are, but not to a lot of the idiots in this country who believe the repuke

talking points. Who are you trying to convince?

They don't have to convince us, and as far as those in the red states, they will only listen to the first part and nod their head, and ignore the guts of the message at the end

[Joe the Revelator]

28. The people who would believe that absurd bs aren't who this ad is aimed at...

Do you think they'd ever vote for Obama?? Or a black man??

This is aimed at the independent who is on the fence.

[still_one]

34. Then it is a waste of money. You attack the point that romney is hiding something, not give him

free time to spout off lies. I doubt those that need convincing will listen through the end of the ad

When I first played it, I asked myself what is this? Is this for or against Obama. I was ready to stop it, though I didn't.

Others will just hear the beginning and then either say it is the same old rehash or agree with the lies. Either way I doubt most will finish the ad

[pinboy3niner]

17. I had the same reaction

It gives way too much play to Romney's attacks. It's not effective--and possibly even counterproductive.

[still_one]

30. This is too much a nuance. The people who you want to understand the point will miss it entirely.

At least that is my view.

[pinboy3niner]

56. Intelligent, educated, informed voters will get it

But there are too many others who won't, and who won't even see the Romney footage as a negative for him. Nuance is right!

The ad really needs to be thoroughly tested before they even consider putting it out broadly.

I've considered the differing views, and I still agree with you.

[still_one]

64. We don't need to convince intelligent educated informed voters, do we? /nt

[coalition_unwilling]

70. Yeah, I realized that I'm channeling my inner rage about what happened to John Lauber

so many years ago and thinking "Payback is a motherfucker!" so I'm not thinking as clearly as I might otherwise. I'll see how I feel about it in a day or two.

[coalition_unwilling]

32. I'm going to have to disagree respectfully. The commercial give the audience

credit for its intelligence.To wit, Romney whines for an apology and says he wants to discuss the issues. Starting at 0:16, you see Romney engaging in the most scabrous personal attacks, i.e., non-issue based. The sub-text? Romney is a hypocritical PoS whining cry-baby.

I think the ad is brilliant.

[still_one]

48. Well, I believe the populous is not that intelligent. You get to the point in the first 5 seconds.

What is romney hiding?

[coalition_unwilling]

57. That's a different ad. This ad is a response to a whining, self-pitying

plea from a hypocritical dirt-bag.

About time someone called out his slimy McCarthyism. I'm fucking sick of it.

[still_one]

65. See, you got to the point. you called romney and the repukes mccarthyism clones. I think this ad

takes too long to make the point

[coalition_unwilling]

68. I got you. I think I'm channeling my inner rage

for what happened to John Lauber so many years ago this morning and it's coloring my reactions. I'll see how I feel tomorrow and the day after.

BTW: "populace" (noun), not "populous" (adj.) - one of your posts upthread

[pinboy3niner]

90. To be fair, it's a populous populace

[Trajan]

63. Completely agree .... It seems like a PRO Romney ad .....

They may have thought they were being cute by spending so much time letting Romney speak, but these clips are not particularly controversial ..... It's not in any way a 'response' to Romney's recent 'demands' ....

Weak ...

[DevonRex]

71. But it uses Newt at the end. The Tea Partiers

and fundamentalists didn't like Romney in the primaries. They went for Newt. This is a divide and conquer ad.

[mzmolly]

105. I agree. The point could have been made by showing Romney

trash fellow Republicans, instead.

[Tumbulu]

163. I agree (nt)

[2pooped2pop]

176. and there is no sound to the last part of the rebuttal

comes off as an anti-Obama ad to the watchers in my opinion.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Holy Shit.....put that on TV

Thats blistering.

[lonestarnot]

19. Meh. Not impressed here.

[progressivebydesign]

25. really? you don't like the ad? why? n/t

[lonestarnot]

45. I like the style and form better over here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=943809

[progressivebydesign]

104. I thought the Fish Called Wanda apology was also appropriate. ;) n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

27. Of course you're not

[progressivebydesign]

23. doing a happy dance!!! They are taking on Thurston Howell, III

Is that a scarf I see under his collar? Oh Lovey... we're on TV again!

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. HA!

[Thinkingabout]

36. Seems every tactic the GOP takes comes back to bite them in the butt.

They spent over $100 million "investigating" Clinton all the while Newt was running his game along with many other republicans. Then we get the wide stance in a public restroom and so many other events not worth mentioning. Then they start the "flipflopping" and there is not many subjects Mitt has not changed his mind on and some more than once. They rave about cabinet members and tax problems and now Mitt has his tax problems because he did not know if he was a resident of Mass. he was not supposed to file his taxes as a resident of Utah. They continue about the birther issue and now vetting Rubio and Jindal of which neither parents was citizens of the US when they was born. They have run on the fast and furious, got the story wrong and Fortune spilled the beans on the story. They don't look enough in the future to understand what they should be for.

[orpupilofnature57]

38. Misanthrope Sycophant Monsters

Have one Agenda ,Advertising ,Infuriating , and Sensationalizing all in the service of the 1% .

[aquart]

50. Bliss.

[still_one]

51. In my view the link in my message is a good ad. It gets to the point immediately

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002946839

[Aviation Pro]

55. More or less here's the apology the President should give....

Lurch the Fucking Stiff^TM:

[font size="24" color="red"]Go fuck yourself, Lurch.[/font]

Oh, the vapors that that would cause.

[orpupilofnature57]

61. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ya ,thats the one !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marr]

59. I think it would be more effective to simply intersperse his demands for an apology with

the cover of his book, "No Apology".

[coalition_unwilling]

73. Bam! Pow! KA-POW! I like the cut of your jib! - n/t

[lumpy]

78. If I am not mistaken, Obama has not asked for an apology from Romney

for all the mudslinging he has delivered about Obama. Obama is the better man, that's why. And not only that, Obama is aware that Romney is grasping at straws and has nothing of value to contribute. Obama knows it is good to have truth on your side.

[B Calm]

139. There's a lot of republicans that

don't like Romney and are upset at the corporate powers who selected him. I think anytime Obama can make this SOB look like the evil tax evading bastard that he is, well he should!

You are so right, all the fucking lies Romney has said about Obama and not once has Obama asked for an apology!!

[Broderick]

79. Gee that is a nice Romney ad

I don't get it.

[magical thyme]

80. I don't love this video for a number of reasons

1. I had to watch it twice to get it, because I was walking around the kitchen fixing lunch.

2. Romney and Gingrich got to talk with their visuals. Obama only gets visuals, which limits his impact in this media. The got more time, more attention and more input.

3. As others mentioned above, they gave Romney way too much airtime.

I think fewer examples of Romney's blatant personal attacks with a stronger response from Obama (say video clips of him talking policy) would have made the point much more clear and more powerful.

Exposing Romney's character with examples of him attacking Obama's character is too subtle, imo. Furthermore, there are more important ways to expose his character...such as his proven lies.

[snooper2]

160. the first reason you don't like it is because you couldn't focus long enough between getting

the mustard and pickles LOL

[magical thyme]

179. true, lol. His new AD, on the other hand, is a thing of beauty :D

The pickle fell out of my mouth as I sat back down in my chair, glued to the hysterical sight and sound of Mittens strutting around bleating out America the Beautiful.

That is a thing of genius. People don't tune into American Idol to watch the future superstars.

They tune in to watch the no-talent wanna-be's make idjits of themselves.

Think about it. The rw nutcases will think its American Idol. Then they see who it is. And realize they're laughing at their hold-their-nose pick. Torn between laughing at the Idol wanna-be and saluting their anointed one, they'll be deer in the headlights. Enough of that ad, and come November they'll be hiding underground in mom's basement.

[msongs]

81. Newt's clip should have appeared FIRST to set it all up nt

[Aerows]

83. I'm sorry

That Mitt Romney lies so much that if he told me there is ice in Antarctica, I have to do a fact check to make sure it hasn't melted overnight in the midst of their winter.

And I would certainly have to do a test to confirm that water is wet, and that "wet" hasn't changed definitions, suddenly.

[CTyankee]

95. "In a pig's ear..."

[mzmolly]

103. I think it would have been more effective if Romney was simply

critiquing his former Republican opponents? Though, ending on Gingrich's whining was good.

for a quick response.

[southernyankeebelle]

111. Obama/Biden are killing him. Love it. Its about time they play on the repub turf. Play dirty like

they do. Am so proud of our team.

[Blue_In_AK]

114. I wondered when the Obama campaign was going to start using Newt Gingrch's quotes in their ads,

as Romney did with using Hillary in that "Shame on you, Barack Obama" ad. If I were Hillary, I'd be hopping mad over that one.

[Akoto]

115. I don't like this. It feels like a Romney ad.

They needed to interject more often with points to counter the things he was saying. This was almost a solid block of anti-Obama airtime for Romney. As there are no other vocals, if you aren't actually looking at the screen, you don't even see the Obama campaign's statements.

[midnight]

128. Thanks Newt for clearing this up.

[Tx4obama]

156. Obama responds - PHOTO

[SunSeeker]

162. I wish they'd post this on the DU home page instead of Mitt's mug! nt

[Coyotl]

172. Really nice of him not to bring up Mitt's illegitimate children

kidding

[2pooped2pop]

173. This ad sucks

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You never repeat the republican soundbites. If I am not seeing the tv, all I hear is another pro Romney / anti-Obama ad.

Nope. I get the point but it just beats in the sound bites of the other side.

Redo

But, I am elated that the democratic party is starting to sprout a spine. Go Offense.

[Initech]

183. Yeah the guy who made millions by bankrupting companies and outsourcing jobs...

Is somehow going to save our economy? Yeah right.

Keep exposing the truth.

[The Second Stone]

184. You'd think Obama personally held Mitt down

and cut his hair the way Mitt is demanding an apology here.

[lindysalsagal]

186. Romneybots will actually think this is their commercial. It's too subtle.

Obama can't forget that most voters don't hear past the first 15 seconds....