"Odinism" Nazis' new favorite religion. I hadn't heard of this.

[underpants]

I ran across this in a thread about upcoming Nazi marches/parades
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029459843

The New Religion Of Choice For White Supremacists
From 2015
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/the-new-religion-of-choice-for-white-supremacists-8af2a69a3440/amp/

Yet an unsettlingly virulent strain of Odinism has coalesced in the United States over the past few decades, attracting white supremacists who see it as more purely “white” than Christianity.

“Odinism, which is closely related to Asatrú, was much favored in Nazi Germany,” reads a 1998 report on the phenomenon by the Southern Poverty Law Center. “Its Nordic/Teutonic mythology was a bedrock belief for key Third Reich leaders, and it was an integral part of the initiation rites and cosmology of the elite Schutzstaffel (SS), which supervised Adolf Hitler’s network of death camps. Decades later, Odinism also influenced George Lincoln Rockwell’s American Nazi Party.”

“To followers, [the Norse gods] are the big tough white guys who, when they see a woman they want, grab her by the hair and pull her in the cave,” Potok said. “It’s seen as this ultra-male, super muscular religion, which is antithetical to Christianity and Judaism.”

“It’s a comic book religion in a lot of ways,” he added.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. I know someone who is interested in Norse pagan ways and who's frustrated because it's a pain in

the ass to wade through all the subtle and blatant crap while trying to find and non-racist information about it.

[hlthe2b]

2. I've heard of Odin, of course, God of the Vikings... but

talk about over-the-top...

Someone should point out the fierceness of Viking WOMEN warriors. That will have their insecurities on overdrive.


KKK, which fancies itself a "Christian" group, is not the only one dealing with delusions...

[Wounded Bear]

4. Yep, the all think they are modern Vikings...

destined to go out and plunder the world.

[HopeAgain]

57. Even the one who got tackled by a woman on Sunday?

Jason "wet underpants" Kessler?

[marylandblue]

8. Also Viking society was relatively egalitarian

Life was hard in the north, and the men were away a lot. So women were often the de facto heads of the family, empowered to make decisions for their husbands. The tradition that the man is the sole head of the household came from Rome.

[brush]

9. I don't think those khaki-wearing punks could handle a Viking WOMAN warrior

Wasn't that speaker of theirs who was chased out of town tackle by one of the women protestors?

[lame54]

3. This had better not be tax exempt

[Hortensis]

23. Very good! Lol. More tattoo money for malignant racist runes.

[Orrex]

5. Actually, they worship Onanism

Practiced alone and in damp basements.

[Squinch]

17. LOL!

[Iggo]

26. My D&D character was named Onan The Glad. (n/t)

[Adrahil]

28. There is a town in Virginia called...

Onancock.

I shit you not!

[jmowreader]

55. And don't forget the Onan generator company

http://power.cummins.com/commercial-mobile

[Orrex]

32. Dorothy Parker named her pet bird Onan

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Because he spilled his seed on the ground.


Zing!

[Iggo]

35. Hey-oh!

[Orrex]

59. Yeah, that's some next-level wit going on there

If she'd said that to me, I would have gotten it during the cab ride home.

[nolabear]

40. *snort!*

Vikings. Yeah.

[Rollo]

64. Stop that! You're giving masterbation a bad name!

LOL...




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[jberryhill]

6. There were far more Evangelicals in Nazi Germany

Martin Luther standardized the German language, and laid out the blueprint for ridding Germany of Jews.

[C_U_L8R]

7. Big lurid dreams

Of hateful little men with microscopic penises.

[ChubbyStar]

10. We will need the Hubble telescope for that!

[Squinch]

18. Right? All the doughy Nazi boys in their Radio Shack employee outifits imagining they are vikings.

[yardwork]

11. "Grab em by the pussy" resonated.

[3catwoman3]

12. The fact that Jesus was a...

...swarthy skinned Jew is likely a major problem for these cretins.

[underpants]

14. and a black guy too

Oh was I not supposed to mention that?

[Ninsianna]

21. Really hasn't seemed to bother them thus far. they do wave those crosses around

and festoon everything with the cross.

It's weird that the west doesn't condemn those symbols, but do with the "other" one they appropriated.

They have rewritten the pesky "jewish" part of their xtianity, just like they whitewashed the "aryan" part of Hinduism. Term means noble, they weren't foreign, they weren't white. Gods and goddesses are described as "golden", the color of ash or so dark they were blue.

[marybourg]

58. I wonder where this "swarthy"

idea came from? I've lived among Jews all my (long) life-in fact I was raised by Jews- and the only "swarthy" Jews I've ever seen were one family of Sephardic Jews of African origin.

Can someone enlighten (no pun intended) me?

[mythology]

13. It's hardly new

For example in the early 1980s, the racist group The Order (also known as the Silent Brotherhood) were into Odinism.

And before that there were elements of Odinism in the original Nazi party, particularly the SS.

[underpants]

16. It was new to me

These scumbags amaze me with their supposedly super secret codes and nonsense

[dalton99a]

15. "And Valhalla does not accept Negroes"

This has been confirmed by visitors

[VermontKevin]

22. Heimdall begs to differ.

[Ninsianna]

19. They really do like to pick and choose from the world's religions, don't they?

However, they don't seem to taint the white cultural and religious icons they steal as they do the brown ones.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

20. They think they're Hydra now?

[Ninsianna]

33. Probably. They're also fans of Voldemort.

[Coventina]

24. Those of us in the Pagan community have been dealing with this for awhile.

There was a really big profile case when a local Asatru follower was murdered:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/21st-century-viking-the-life-and-death-of-ex-con-tattoo-artist-and-heathen-warrior-jubel-dean-perkins-8750701

[LWolf]

45. How is your community dealing with it?

I know numerous people in various pagan groups, and have met a couple of followers of Asatru; one was certainly a white supremacist. The other was black. Go figure.

[Coventina]

46. Honestly? I steer clear of them, myself.

They don't go around saying racist stuff, but they give off bad vibes.

I imagine when they are together is when they probably say the more ugly stuff.

But, I can't say I've witnessed it.

[LWolf]

60. That

aligns with my own experience in many ways. In the community I lived in, before I moved out of state, there was a sort of "inter-pagan" faith going on, people trying to connect and be supportive. It lasted about 18 months and fell apart, with the Asatru folk, except for the single black man, withdrawing from the rest.

[Coventina]

65. I had an Asatru co-worker (female)

who I was friendly (but not friends) with.

I know she & her husband were really into the SCA scene as well.

Just little things she said here and there gave me the impression that her husband was really domineering and short-tempered and violence prone. It kind of turned me off, although I'm not sure that's entirely fair.

I've never been really tight with the Pagan community, I'm more of spiritual seeker since renouncing the Christianity of my upbringing. I'm a bad Buddhist and I sometimes attend Pagan events, but I've never actually joined a group officially. I've just noticed that people get a little light-lipped and edgy about the Asatru group, but don't seem anxious to outright condemn them. I think since I'm in a pretty "red" area, there's a feeling Pagans can't afford to ostracize anyone, unless it were to get really out of hand. But, I have to admit this is going into speculation on my part.

[Iggo]

25. The rest of us call it "Norse mythology."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. I'm more of a fan of Freyja, who rode in a cat-drawn chariot.

She was the Norse goddess of love and Scandinavia's resident cat lady.

[ProudLib72]

37. Three days ago was Freyja's Day

And in three more days it will be Freyja's Day again. We have to get through Tyr's Day, Odin's Day, and Thor's Day first, though.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. Sondag, mondag, tirsdag, onsdag, torsdag, fredag, lordag.

Lørdag (Saturday) is the funny one. Instead of being named after a god, it just means "bath day."

[ProudLib72]

48. I did not think about the days being named after Norse gods until later in life

When I started taking Hebrew I learned that the days are just numbered (day 1, day 2, day 3... and so on except for Shabbat).

[NastyRiffraff]

39. She HAD to be powerful

to get a cat to pull a chariot, or anything else!

My cat would tell her "Are you fucking kidding me?"

[ImpeachTheGOP]

29. I like the Norse myths as much as the Greek.

And I'm a big fan of the Viking history.

These assholes don't get to ruin everything for everyone.

[Ninsianna]

34. They're sort of allowed to, by people who attack those who question the appropriation.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

50. I think these myths appeal to the alt-righties

because they feature a lot of swashbuckling badass white gods who conquer their enemies with swords and have hot blonde girlfriends - probably the same reasons the original Nazis liked them. The only difference between Norse mythology and that of other cultures is that everybody's white (which was because they were Scandinavian, of course, not because they were inherently superior). The Old Testament and the Hindu myths like the Mahabarata and the Popul Vuh of the Maya, and the Greek and Roman myths have just as much violence and smiting and beheading and fucking, but those myths weren't about white (Aryan) gods or humans.

[Lee-Lee]

30. It's nothing new

When I'm doing pre-employment checks on people for jobs with or without a security clearance seeing anything Odinist, Asatru or any use of runes or symbols related is a red flag for me to dig deeper, because in this part of the south 99% of the time that is a sign they are a white supremacist of some flavor or another.

[marylandblue]

66. So that's why didn't get the job I wanted!

I wrote the application entirely in runes.

[Leghorn21]

31. Well, I hope Kirk Douglas doesn't hear about this. Now there was a REAL Viking, plus

Kirk despises all this nazi horseshit.

[hunter]

36. They only want what they can't get.

My intensely matriarchal ancestors are of Scandinavian origins, not impressed by little men with store-bought guns and patriarchal religions.

[dembotoz]

38. wonder if they require an ancestry.com dna test....or lots of splaining to do

[nolabear]

41. I know just the kinds of Vikings they are.

[struggle4progress]

42. It has its origins in a late nineteenth century mishmash of ideas:

as the "western" world gradually became aware of "eastern" religious and cultural traditions, there resulted a number of strange syntheses, rather reminiscent of modern "new age" thinking --- theosophy, for example

In Germany, the fusion of theosophist notions, the then-still-new idea of "German nationality" (converted into a religious idea), and popular anti-semitism produced the "Wotan societies"

The mishmash nature of the "Wotanist" synthesis can be seen as "Aryan" (which originally referred to an ancient culture somewhere around northern India) becomes a Germanic self-description (with appropriation of the swastika as an alternative to the Christian cross), while Bismarckian "iron and blood" sloganeering is swirled into Viking Berserker mythology and Wagnerian music and crazy Nietzschean overman-liness, with the ideological objective of demolishing Judeo-Christian notions of mercy, first by exterminating Judaism and with extermination of Christianity planned as the next step

[BowlLikeAChicken]

63. thank you,

your sig reminded what a true comedic genius Gracie Allen was, she doesn't get anywhere near the credit she deserves, lucky man her husband was.

[ismnotwasm]

43. It's been around a while

The favorite of misogynistic neckbeards everywhere

[Nevernose]

47. I was actually friends with an Odinist in the 90s

Really the friend of a friend.

Pretty intense dude. AWESOME to party with because he was like a berkerker. Metal music and Thor and that kind of shit.

It was like a year or two after I met him that I actually listened to the lyrics of his favorite band and went "holy shit, this guy's a racist." He'd basically been seducing my friend and I for years; my friend damn near fell for it.

He was, on the surface and to strangers, a really nice guy. That's how evil works sometimes.

[Codeine]

49. A lot of these assholes in the industrial and neo-folk

music scenes. Black metal as well.

They tend to make shit suck.

[Baconator]

51. They like the symbols and mythology...

... but don't necessarily believe it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

54. I'm sure they don't actually believe in Odin or any of the other Norse gods

in the religious sense. They're entirely into the conquering white guy symbolism.

[stopbush]

52. The Norse gods are just as real as Jesus and any other god.

Which is to say none of them ever existed. None of them are real.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

61. I don't think they actually believe in those myths or care whether the gods were real.

The whole point is the symbolism of the Aryan "hero."

[Me.]

53. They Wish!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

56. I hear Onanism is also big with them

Look it up.

[Ilsa]

62. Hey, it's the best they can do! LOL.

Check out Reply #5 and the sub-replies. Pretty funny stuff. They got here before you.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

67. Think it's big in the prison system among the "aryan" gangs n/m

[franzwohlgemuth]

68. As a Norseman...

It's impossible to be a bigot and follow the Norse faith.

The gods them selves are multiracial (Asir, Vanir, Jotun, Mixtures there of and case in Point Thor, half Jotun).
One of the gods is Trans Gender at will, Trans Species at will, some times both at the same time (how Odin got his horse).
Speaking of Odin, he's Bi.
The goddesses are just as powerful as the guys.

Culturally, most Scandinavian people were not pure Scandinavian. Women had just as much power, if not more, than the men. LGBT were feared as they had a direct line to the gods (culturally as a whole it was discouraged because of inheriting Jarldoms, farms, ect...)

As far as the modern denominations (Asatru, Theodism, Odinism...) largely based off of the Sagas. While they are some of the greatest literary works of all time, they are largely fiction, and those that aren't are greatly embellished (and the two Vinland sagas contradict each other).Odinism has Christian influence behind it.

So, anyone who is a bigot in anyway that says they follow the Norse faith is a liar and a fraud.