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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:30 PM

When you were/are poor, did you ever consider joining a hate group?


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No, that's a dumb excuse snowflake white supremacist nazis are trying
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Yes, derp derp derp. Cause wantin' to kill non-whites will help my economic situation. maga maga, derp.
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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:31 PM

1. Well, I'm on DU...

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:33 PM

2. I can't figure out...

...how hatred will help me get out of poverty.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:35 PM

3. No.

I would never consider joining the GOP.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:37 PM

4. None of those manbaby fascists looked impoverished to me n/t

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 02:01 PM

5. That's an oversimplification

Maybe a more relevant one is; "Is your or your parent's economic oppression a result of affirmative action?" It is so much a part of the mind set that allows people to blame an outside force for their own failures. Or worse, the failure of white America to stand up for them. Casual racism is buried in conventional wisdom.
It goes much deeper than a basic cause and effect. White people making the mistake of ignoring the subtlties perpetuate the false idea that people who enable white supremacy are generally bad people. Thus, making fragile whites feel more comfortable because they can't be defenders of white supremacy because those are the people who wear white robes and hoods, participate in violence, or use the n word.

Oooops that's dad, uncle Bob, my co-workers, or maybe I've let jokes slide by without question a time or two.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 02:09 PM

6. Enabling white supremacy is bad. A person is not necessarily a "bad person", but that's certainly a

bad action.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:07 PM

9. I was really struck by the points made in these articles

I think white people need to make more effort to understand the subtlties.

This illustrates just how defensive people can get in the face of accusations of racism: Not only did the woman who faced the criticisms genuinely feel like she was having a heart attack, but the white people around her believed it was totally possible she was. This is the reality of trying to have a conversation that challenges white privilege in America.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/12/16138558/charlottesville-va-white-fragility



Mainstream dictionary definitions reduce racism to individual racial prejudice and the intentional actions that result. The people that commit these intentional acts are deemed bad, and those that donít are good. If we are against racism and unaware of committing racist acts, we canít be racist; racism and being a good person have become mutually exclusive. But this definition does little to explain how racial hierarchies are consistently reproduced.

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/white-fragility-why-its-so-hard-to-talk-to-white-people-about-racism-twlm/


My read is that she is understood to be a particularly good person because racism upset her so much. With that, she successfully reverted to white supremacy, probably without a second thought, and maintained her good person status.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:18 PM

11. Good people can do bad things, intentionally and unintentionally

When you (royal "you" do a bad thing, apologize or make amends, learn and try to avoid doing do again.

Actions matter. Intentions matter. I try to do that rather than get hung up on terminology arguments.

Thanks for the articles.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 04:37 PM

13. I've been paying attention to carelessness because it has become more noticeable to me

as part of my own regrettable history. There's no way to truly make ammends but it is essential to work on the present and towards a better future.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 02:10 PM

7. Never crossed my mind in my wildest dreams.

And I was homeless for a good portion of my childhood.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 02:10 PM

8. Nope...got a second job..

3rd even and put myself through school...

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:11 PM

10. Between working as much as possible and personal life and a little sleep

Who had time for joining any groups?

I was happy to get 6 hours of sleep.

Being poor is more exhausting than people realize. so glad those days are long gone, but I will never forget.


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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:24 PM

12. Nope. And I'd be considered "working poor" or maybe "working class" by many...


I'm totally capable of getting pissed off for a good reason. Hell, I'm pissed right now over Charlotteville. But I'm not going to let these events turn me into some kind of genocidal maniac.

I've always been very conscious of the fact that depression era economics played a big role in the rise of Hitler.

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