POTUS just encouraged cops to be rough putting criminals into "the paddy wagon."

[bigtree]

leah mcelrath 🗽? @leahmcelrath 18m18 minutes ago
Trump is speaking before a group of police right now, and he is literally and overtly encouraging police brutality and rough rides.

Link to tweet

Daniel Dale? @ddale8 12m12 minutes ago
Here's the full quote of the president advising federal, state and local cops to feel free to hit suspects' heads:

[msongs]

1. america's police will willingly put millions in camps if ordered to do so. nt

[Dawson Leery]

3. Certainly

[dalton99a]

13. +1

[Ilsa]

17. I'm seriously scared you are correct. nt

[kacekwl]

2. Look at those morons laughing and clapping.

Shameful. Then wonder why they have a trust and image problem.

[narnian60]

4. Un-effing believable.

[MrScorpio]

5. He's encouraging more Freddie Grays to be murdered by cops

As if this country wasn't already a police state with murderous "law enforcement."

[oasis]

46. The facts surrounding the death of Freddie Gray should've been

included in any updated training of every member of law enforcement. Trump's giving them a pass to disregard what instructors taught them at the academy.

[Girard442]

6. The cops are still seen as the rightful guardians of the public -- for now.

It always amazes me that the events seen in the aftermath of a questionable police shooting still show most people accept that the vast majority of the cops around them will do their duty. It's my opinion that we could easily hit a tipping point where the cops will suddenly be seen as the agents of an occupying power. (Some people think that already, but I don't believe most do.) When that happens, police work will, overnight, become orders of magnitude more dangerous and the streets will truly become the war zone that Trump and his supporters imagine they are now.

I'd think that self-interest alone would make cops want to avoid a radical transformation of society like this, but I'm not seeing it.

[Zoonart]

7. Really... this cannot continue.

He has absolutely no regard for the rule of law. He wants to turn the Justice Department into his own revenge shop, The FBI into the KGB and the National FOP into the Praetorian Guard. Dangerous territory.

[C_U_L8R]

8. Even Hitler and Stalin

didn't say things like that out loud.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. The Fuhrer-in-Chief needs to be repealed & replaced... impeachment hearings can't start soon enuf!

[maxsolomon]

10. Paddy is a racist insult

it may be very old (for America), but hating on the Irish is, too.

He's just doing his joking-not really-or am i routine.

[panader0]

11. I was just going to say this, being mostly Irish.....

[maxsolomon]

12. he's too dumb to know that

and too egotistical to care.

[WinkyDink]

29. His mother was Scottish, so Trump might know insults to the Irish!

[Initech]

14. What would a dick do?

[gilbert sullivan]

15. A 21 yo guy and his girl friend were arrested yesterday down the road from here, he admitted to

raping a 4 year old girl. With her apparent approval.

He is lucky I was not the cop arresting him...he arrived at the jail unhurt.

Enough of this coddling of vile monsters.

[uponit7771]

16. To some "vile monsters" are people who don't have white skin, that's not a reason to advocate ...

... roughing anyone up ... no crime, just the "vile monster" skin color.

We should not be neutral on how suspects are treated no?

Thx in advance

[gilbert sullivan]

18. There are vile monsters of all skin color. None of them should get treated like

princesses or saints. As to "no crime", did you miss the part about him ADMITTING to raping the child?

I can find a link if you want.

[uponit7771]

22. Did you miss the constitution and civil and federal laws when it comes to ...

... how to treat a person who's arrested?

Come on, you started out agreeing with the thinking of an overtly sexist, racist traitor ... most don't like Benedict Donald here and think he's a complete moron.

Just sayin

[gilbert sullivan]

28. I'm not allowed to agree with ANY single thing the orange dope says?

Wow.

Anyway, AFAIK the Constitution doesn't say anything about the treatment of arrestees. Can you cite the section?
And are civil and federal laws different things? If so, in what way?

[WinkyDink]

36. The US Constitution doesn't pretend to be our entire legal statute.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Because punishment for criminals is determined by a court of law, not the arresting officer.

Yes, I understand the natural desire to beat the shit out of someone harming a child.

But that's not how law enforcement works in a civilized society. You don't empower on-the-ground law enforcement to beat the shit out of anyone they feel like. It's not a good idea.

And in the case of the arresting officer doing so, he might in the process endanger the prosecution of the criminals. So rather than a lengthy prison sentence- and child abusers don't fare very well in prison, I hear- for the satisfaction of a brief, if understandable, emotional response the entire case might be jeopardized.

So I think "coddling" isn't what is happening, here.

[Nailzberg]

41. Well, to start with: due process, equal protection, no cruel or unusual punishment.

the constitution has a lot to say about the treatment of arrestees.

[Mariana]

44. And no one has ever admitted to a crime he didn't commit, not ever.

I don't know why you're so opposed to putting on a trial and proving the accused guilty. In this case, it should be pretty easy. A legitimate confession goes a long way toward securing a conviction.

[edhopper]

19. And the black people arrested for not putting on their turn signal

rough them up too?

What about the young man arrested for not having an ID while waking on the sidewalk, kick him in the ass and slam his head on the car roof too?

Cause police are suppose to be judges and executioners. They should decide guilt and innocence.

Look up what Trump said about those in the Central Park Rape case, I am sure you will agree with him.

I suspect you agree with him a lot.

[gilbert sullivan]

21. Thanks for accusing me of saying things I did not.

good grief.

[bigtree]

23. 'enough' of due process?

...you're advocating summary judgment and sentence. What you're advocating is a crime.

[marybourg]

27. In this country we treat EVERYBODY as innocent

until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

Have you never heard of mentally disturbed individuals "admitting" to crimes they didn't commit?

Have you never heard of cops or over-agitated citizens beating or lynching innocent people?

That macho stuff is for dodos, and doesn't go over well on DU. Lose it or take it somewhere else.

[marybourg]

32. It's part of the Constitution and Bill Of Rights of the United States

and has been since the creation of those documents. If you have reached the age of reason without having been made familiar with the precept that everyone is innocent until proven guilty and that individuals do not take justice into their own hands in a democracy, then we're in even worse shape as a country than I feared. Were you home schooled? Dropped out?

[WinkyDink]

37. Criminals are not criminals until decided in a court of law. Nothing you say is any argument against

that fact, NOT EVEN A SUSPECT'S CONFESSION AT THE SCENE.

[WinkyDink]

38. Ummm....who has been "condemning victims"?

[WinkyDink]

35. I hear you, but vile creatures are still "innocent until judged guilty." His lawyer will

plead something, and who can tell with juries (O.J.)?

[Mariana]

43. You don't approve of having a trial and a conviction first?

I have to disagree. I don't think having to prove suspects are guilty before punishing them equals "coddling vile monsters".

[KG]

20. latest reason why this middle aged white guy says, 'fuck da police'!

[dalton99a]

24. Another day, another big step toward the abyss

[Stuart G]

34. Perhaps not...it could be step out of the abyss.. Trump broke the law..

Inciting violence is against the law...Officials of the USA cannot incite violence...

It is against the law.....I think first and second year law students know that...

[malaise]

25. You know he also mentioned 'rule of law' in that speech

and that would be funny in and of itself, but clearly in his permanent state of lunacy, 'due process of law' is not connected to 'rule of law'.

[flibbitygiblets]

26. I hope tRump's own perp walk includes some of this much-cheered police brutality

[UCmeNdc]

30. You are the police, kick in doors and take no s-----t

Advice from your President Trump.

[Stuart G]

33. Encouraging Violence is Illegal...

The courts have ruled...You can't yell fire, in a crowded movie theater when there is no fire!!
...............it encourages fear and violence, and unnecessary hurt.....
.....When you encourage violence and fear..when someone can get hurt,

...... and that isn't necessary..it is illegal............(my guess is the police know how to arrest protesters, it is their job..)

Trump forgot he wasn't a candidate...He is now in a different position......

Inciting violence is illegal...the cops know it, the courts know it, most of us know it.........

Trump doesn't know it.....Someone should tell him....it is illegal..even for an official of the USA

and.............this event...inciting violence and hurt..by what he said today..puts everything in a different perspective...now...the lawyers will have a say, and the ex judges will have a say..and the law professors will have a say, and, but this is it...It will take time for this to sink in, but to incite violence.
.....is against the law...he is no candidate...Trump is a public official.......of the USA..

to incite hurt....by an outsider..telling the police to hurt someone....is against the law

Today..7/28/17...Trump publically broke the law...for all to see and hear....(and he doesn't know it)

[Warren DeMontague]

42. That's not, actually, how the 1st Amendment works.

Seems to me there is a loooooooooooong list of shit, starting with obstruction of justice, that Trump has done which has potentially crossed a legal line, without trying to make a dubious case fudging the borders of speech rights. It's simply not going to happen, here.

Is what he said reprehensible? Absolutely. Representative of a dereliction of his duty, even? Sure. But actionable legally? Doubtful.

Oh, and as for the whole "fire in a crowded theater" thing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

[WinkyDink]

40. You know Trump will be keen on the aggressive "forfeiture" crap that will now occur under JeffBeau.

[erpowers]

45. Freddie Grey

When I first heard about this I wondered if he was making a veiled reference to Freddie Grey. From the look at the titles of the posts in this discussion I was not the only person to have that question.

[dalton99a]

47. He will call for summary executions next