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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:51 PM Jul 2017

Why does Discussionist still exist?

I haven't visited in many, many months. Maybe a year. My first post in as much time was removed, followed by a string 'libtard' and 'lefty' posts, and how we're all a bunch of losers. Don't they have Conservative Cave for that bullshit? Why are Skinner and Elad giving them their own hate forum?

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Why does Discussionist still exist? (Original Post) Atman Jul 2017 OP
Why not? Agschmid Jul 2017 #1
I'm just guessing but I think having a place for the trolls allows them to keep track of IPs. phleshdef Jul 2017 #2
Well, cash is cash. Atman Jul 2017 #3
It's probably profitable from the other side of the coin and helps support the servers, etc. RKP5637 Jul 2017 #4
I got suspended for asking some geeb where Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #5
That's my question. Why do the administrators of this site feel it is acceptable to provide another Squinch Jul 2017 #6
I LOLed pintobean Jul 2017 #17
I think it was clear that the question I am asking is how is it acceptable to themselves. Squinch Jul 2017 #23
Most likely it helps fund DU emulatorloo Jul 2017 #28
I think Breitbart and Fox are doing something very wrong. Evil, even. By giving voice to the Squinch Jul 2017 #33
Cannot agree more about Breitbart and Fox. Will never forget when some DU'ers gleefully posted them emulatorloo Jul 2017 #34
Uh huh. pintobean Jul 2017 #36
Do you think that the lies and hatred that, say, Breitbart spreads are accepable? Squinch Jul 2017 #37
I don't read Breitbart. pintobean Jul 2017 #38
You're dodging. You know what Breitbart does is wrong. Squinch Jul 2017 #40
Pfft pintobean Jul 2017 #41
Still dodging. Squinch Jul 2017 #42
define "acceptable" Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #43
Obviously I am aware that admins can do whatever they want. I am also aware, again obviously, Squinch Jul 2017 #44
And like I said, people have been "wondering" that for, how many years now? Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #45
Once again, obviously. Squinch Jul 2017 #46
I'm guessing it makes enough money to keep it JI7 Jul 2017 #7
IMO, I assume it helps pay the rent. CK_John Jul 2017 #8
Why r u asking us? BootinUp Jul 2017 #9
Gotta have a place for confederate flag avatars and ignorant white wing hate talk. Hoyt Jul 2017 #10
I like to think it is an evil plan mercuryblues Jul 2017 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jul 2017 #12
College tuition for the kids? Rent? Upgrades to the site? Also: WHY do you go there? Hekate Jul 2017 #13
Clicks are money. Money pays bills. Paid bills are good. Codeine Jul 2017 #14
I think Skinner and Elad should be seriously disgusted jimlup Jul 2017 #15
Agreed La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #16
I think they wanted to avoid a clone of DU LittleBlue Jul 2017 #19
I agree with you that the rules should not be "left leaning" jimlup Jul 2017 #29
Totally agree obamanut2012 Jul 2017 #22
Money? nt cwydro Jul 2017 #18
Ask the administrators. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #20
Well, its good for asking.... KTM Jul 2017 #30
$$$$$ obamanut2012 Jul 2017 #21
It keeps some trolls off DU? MineralMan Jul 2017 #24
And that makes me happy. Ilsa Jul 2017 #39
What did your post say? n/t hughee99 Jul 2017 #25
I don't even remember... Atman Jul 2017 #27
It was to allow people to debate freepers directly if they want treestar Jul 2017 #26
Think of it as a Venus Flytrap MrScorpio Jul 2017 #31
The deplorables on that site are very very stupid and very racist Gothmog Jul 2017 #32
I honestly forget that place exists until somebody brings it up. nt m-lekktor Jul 2017 #35
 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
2. I'm just guessing but I think having a place for the trolls allows them to keep track of IPs.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jul 2017

That way if they come over here and start trying to rile some shit up, they can cross reference Discussionist and figure out who needs weeded out.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
4. It's probably profitable from the other side of the coin and helps support the servers, etc.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:55 PM
Jul 2017

And the code for DU could be extrapolated to create a similar site.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
5. I got suspended for asking some geeb where
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:55 PM
Jul 2017

His stars/bars icon was

Whiny snowflakes abound

Extreme delusion syndrome

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
6. That's my question. Why do the administrators of this site feel it is acceptable to provide another
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:55 PM
Jul 2017

place where rightists can spread hate and brainwashed blather? It only serves to strengthen the hate and blather. And that's a serious offence in the world we find ourselves in.

It's a "How does one sleep at night?" kind of question.

emulatorloo

(44,127 posts)
28. Most likely it helps fund DU
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:47 AM
Jul 2017

Doesn't bother me, I never go there

Mineral Man is probably right too, keeps some trolls off DU

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
33. I think Breitbart and Fox are doing something very wrong. Evil, even. By giving voice to the
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 11:56 AM
Jul 2017

lies and the hatred of the worst element of the right wing, they are hurting all of us badly. DI is doing the same thing, just on a smaller scale.

It's that old Churchill observation: "We have already established what you are, Madam. Now we are just haggling over the price."

emulatorloo

(44,127 posts)
34. Cannot agree more about Breitbart and Fox. Will never forget when some DU'ers gleefully posted them
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jul 2017

At DU During primary 2016.

No right wing site was too egregious for some DU'ers to post on DU, as long as it smeared Democrats. So much slobbering over right-wing hack Joe DiGenova as if he were some champion of TRUTH. And any DU'er who pushed back against those sources was bullied and vilified.

Happily, most of those Fox News 'progressives' have fled to safespaces in the bowels of Reddit.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
36. Uh huh.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 06:28 PM
Jul 2017

Why would you think they would even wonder if it's acceptable? Couldn't possibly be because you find it unacceptable.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
38. I don't read Breitbart.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 06:50 PM
Jul 2017

Pretty simple. But, Breitbart isn't a message board. The admin are no more responsible for the content at Discussionist than any of the hate filled lies that occasionally show up here at DU. I'm happy to see that they support the first amendment.

I'd say, if you have a problem with Discussionist, either pretend it doesn't exist, or go over there and help the few liberals who are still there.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
43. define "acceptable"
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 07:41 PM
Jul 2017

Are they protected by the 1st Amendment? Absolutely.

Breitbart isnt a straight up parallel to discussionist, however, since DI is technically a message board and not a "news" source or even opinion outlet.

It's just a place where people post their opinions, like DU is. However, due to the lack of top-down administration there combined with a user moderation/jury system parallel to DU's AND the fact that it has become a collecting ground for DU's disgruntled ban-eees, it's apparently now domianted by right-wing voices, most particularly because those of us progressives from the early days who went over there from DU to check it out, got bored with it real quick.

So, yeah, it's been ceded to right-wing fuckbats, I guess.

And some people here are clamoring for admin to "shut it down", just as they've done on a regular basis ever since the thing started.

It's still there, despite demands from some here to the contrary, ergo Admin doesn't want to shut it down. They like the ad revenue, they like the fact that they have a collecting ground for the worst trolls from DU, maybe they like the fact that they can pinpoint IP addresses of the same for when those yarblockos inevitably try and skulk back onto this site. Maybe they see it as a safety valve. Maybe all, or none, of the above.

The bottom line is, just as with the perpetual outrage from some as to how THIS site is run (witness the long line of repeat customers in ATA with their multiple questions unanswered. I wonder what they say? ) admin can do whatever they want. It's their site, so is DU. If people really find the fact that the admins of this site also oversee that one that objectionable, they can vote with their feet and leave both sites, but I notice that the people who have been complaining the most about DU for... shit, as long as I can remember--- for some reason, they never actually make good on their promises to take off. In fact, many of them do stuff like circumvent bans and the like with zombie accounts and sockpuppets.

Frankly, I don't understand it.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
44. Obviously I am aware that admins can do whatever they want. I am also aware, again obviously,
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 07:52 PM
Jul 2017

that the admins don't want to shut it down.

What I am questioning is why they would allow their names to be attached to yet another place where alt-right nut jobs egg each other on in to ever greater heights of hatred and ignorance. In that sense, it is achieving exactly the same ends that Breitbart is.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
45. And like I said, people have been "wondering" that for, how many years now?
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jul 2017

Still no answer.

I have my own suspicions, of course, and I outlined a few of them in that post. But I don't have any more insight into Skinner, Earl and Elad's thought processes there than you do.

Perhaps the lack of an answer -is- the answer, namely, they just aren't as bothered by it as you are.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
11. I like to think it is an evil plan
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 09:36 PM
Jul 2017

by the Admins.

Syphon off enough freepers and the site has to close down because there aren't enough donations.

Then Discussionist get closed leaving the orange kool aide drinkers out in the cold.

Response to Atman (Original post)

Hekate

(90,695 posts)
13. College tuition for the kids? Rent? Upgrades to the site? Also: WHY do you go there?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:19 PM
Jul 2017

No one makes you (and by "you" I mean everyone in this thread.)

When they first started I registered under another name, took a good look around, and departed never to return. I never even think about that site unless I stumble across one of these threads. It always puzzles me as to why anybody gives a damn, as long as they stay over there.

Skinner, Elad, and EarlG run a really good site here, the original DU. They care about this site. On the whole, I really do not care what they do in their spare time.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
14. Clicks are money. Money pays bills. Paid bills are good.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:07 PM
Jul 2017

What's wrong with making a little extra dosh off the perpetually-aggrieved dipshits on that side of the fence? More power to Skinner et al for creating a successful - if stupid - discussion board for morons and jackfuck radicals.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
15. I think Skinner and Elad should be seriously disgusted
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:10 PM
Jul 2017

by their creation.

I'm actually somewhat appalled that they haven't disbanded the site or otherwise changed the rules. It has become a cesspool indeed.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
19. I think they wanted to avoid a clone of DU
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 04:20 AM
Jul 2017

Changing the rules to mirror DU would defeat the purpose. It's essentially an arena where left and right can battle it out to the gory end.

If Skinner changed the rules to be left-leaning, he would just be cannibalizing his traffic at DU.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
29. I agree with you that the rules should not be "left leaning"
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:56 AM
Jul 2017

But I argue that the rules have become disgustingly "right leaning". I really don't understand why Skinner tolerates the vile crap that gets through the Jury system which is absolutely far-right biased on that site.

I don't know what solution could work but the "Jury system" there as it is is a total shame. I've had my posts hidden for relatively minor implications that someone is doing something racist. They get to blatantly and openly exhibit racist behavior in their posts without fear of consequences. Since the election, but perhaps earlier, the jury system there failed.

I can supply examples if you are interested. I wish Skinner would see it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
26. It was to allow people to debate freepers directly if they want
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:55 AM
Jul 2017

Trouble being the jury system might allow one side to take over.

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