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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm not getting caught up in the Mika/Joe vs. Trump Pro Rasslin' smack talk Bull.
That's precisely what this is. It's all staged and is just like the smack talk bullshit in "Pro Wrestling" Trump learned bout entertaining the masses with this bullshit during his stint in "Pro Wrestling" show business.
Remember, when it came down to Trump vs. Hillary, Mika and Joe were supportive of the orange asshat.
This is show business distraction nonsense, nothing more.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Instead of something serious and important. So now we have another OP about Morning Trump to clog up GD.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)It's pro wrestling garbage, not news.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But how cool would it be if we actually had more posts about real news stories instead of this crap?
It sometimes seems like these kinds of topics get more play than the ones that really matter (and I'm guilty of it too).
Squinch
(51,075 posts)I'm all over the map on this stuff right now!
Crazy morning.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)(in a continuing pattern of attacking women) because of criticism of his policies and lies.
This is a big deal. It's part of the dictatorial pattern of behavior, as well as mob boss behavior to silence critics.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)It's entertainment, not news.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)And you don't grasp the meaning of the most powerful person in the world trying to ruin someone's life because he wants to shut down criticism of his policies and pointing out his lies.
Maybe you'll understand later. This is important.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)IT's show business, not reality.
IT's more like reality TV where nothing is real.
Joe, Mika, and Trump have been close friends for YEARS!
Squinch
(51,075 posts)throats at every chance throughout the campaign.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)This was a personal attack on the appearance of a woman, in response to criticism of his policy and lies. This is a really big deal. Even if you don't like the person he attacked.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Even Joe, the moderate Repub. They were TOTALLY AGAINST TRUMP.
They started out being more or less noncommittal on the large group of Republicans running for the nomination, but when Trump showed his true self...they jumped on all that he had shown himself to be. And they didn't relent. TRUMP REFUSED TO APPEAR ON THEIR SHOW ANYMORE, as a consequence.
And that's the reality. But it's irrelevant. What the big deal is a President attacking a citizen PERSONALLY because of criticism of his policies and lies. That's a really big deal. He can ruin lives and careers, he knows it, and that's what he wants to do, in fact. Ruin lives and careers.
Congress needs to do something to protect the citizens.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)They went after Hillary EVERY DAMNED DAY!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You are misremembering. Again, I'm sorry you have taken a position and are trying to come up with reasons to support it.
I'm a follower of the show. I am not mistaken in this. TRUMP QUIT APPEARING ON THE SHOW, as a result of what they said about him.
It's not a journalists job to be a cheerleader for either. It's their JOB to point out shortcomings. But when Trump's mental imbalance started showing itself, his misogny, his violence, his racism, his lies started getting apparent, THEY WERE THE FIRST TO UNRELENTINGLY POINT THIS OUT, to the point that TRUMP QUIT APPEARING ON THE SHOW.
This is the reality. Not your reality.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)They propped up Trump every day after he won the nomination.
EVERY DAMNED DAY!
Trump had a bad day, they hit Hillary harder.
They are Trump's friends and have been for YEARS!
I don't buy a damned word either of them have to say now.
Cosmocat
(14,583 posts)It has been a non-stop vacillation between them kissing his ass one day and them going into histrionics like this the next.
Mika spent a year and a half meekly murmuring "I am voting for Hillary" before going on 10 minute dismissive rants about her.
Generallly for the last decade and specifically with 45 and Rs this last election they play their two bit theatre of normalizing 45 and right wing lunacy while hate framing liberals.
Yeah, this is functionally the dimwit exposing himself black mailing them, but they were black mailed because they were compromised, both personally with each other AND with him.
Its snakes turning on one another.
If it helps to bring 45 down, so be it.
But, Mike and Joe aren't "victims" here anymore than Manafort, or any of the dozens, hell countless puke bags who have gotten into bed with him.
Squinch
(51,075 posts)on their show - there's tapes of them agreeing to softball him in interviews. They were very good buddies during the campaign, and the show was very pro Trump and anti Clinton.
And yes. It is terrible that he is personally attacking media figures. I have never said it was not. But we all know who Trump(R) is and has always been. They bear responsibility for the fact that he is in a position to do what he is doing now.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They were balanced while both candidates were running for nominations, but once Trump's real issues became apparent, THEY WERE AMONG THE FIRST TO BLATANTLY POINT THAT OUT. To the point that Trump refused to go on the show anymore.
You are misremembering.
It's not their JOB to cheerlead for either, BTW. It's also irrelevant. You're looking to blame the victim. (She got raped? Oh, well, look at how short her skirt was!)
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)It's all fucking fake!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)HE resorts to comments like "It's all FUCKIN' FAKE!" Who does that remind you of?
Now I get it.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)These three people have been close friends for YEARS!
Just like Trump has been friends with Vince McMahon for DECADES!!!
IT IS SHOW BUSINESS!!!
Squinch
(51,075 posts)late in the game.
Trump(R) has been Trump(R) since at least the 1980's. He's been scamming and grifting and stealing and stiffing people for decades. He has a million documentable and provable lies out there - huge lies. Huge thefts. And speaking of rape, Ivana is on record saying that he raped her and anyone with half a brain can see that her retraction was made only after financial pressure was applied to her. He ruined an army of people for DECADES. Trump(R)'s issues were apparent FOR DECADES before he announced.
Joe and Mika are fully aware of that. They somehow conveniently ignored that along with the rest of the media and never reported it, because that's one of his greatest cons. Trump(R) knows that people will do whatever he wants if they think they can profit from his scams.
There are no victims in this. There are schoolyard children throwing taunts where there should be a President and a media.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He became important only when he ran for President. It was at that point that the media stepped up the game and DID start reporting on it.
Trump & Joe/Mika had a falling out end of 2015. THAT'S when they started homing in on his failings to the point where Trump blew a gasket. That was pretty early. They both stated openly end of 2015 that neither of them could ever vote for him.
People have selective memories and believe what htey want to believe. If someone isn't a cheerleader for THEIR guy, they assume they're in the tank for the other. If someone doesn't criticize someone with every breath, they assume they're in that person's corner.
IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE KNOW, and that started years ago.
But there was a change during the Obama administration. I've heard it reported that Trump started the birther game. Not true. He jumped on the bandwagon, but did not start it. It was odd. He started changing at that point, and changed more noticeably during the primary. I have watched Trump sort of, through the years. But didn't watch his reality show except a couple of times.
He changed in the primary, or his real self emerged more. It was during the primary that I caught on to his character. And of course, his character became important ONLY because he became a viable candidate.
Joe & Mika were "friends" of his. Rich men court friends in the media and other power places. But they dropped him like a hot potato during the primary...on tv, in front of the nation, and were very critical of him.
There is a victim here. It's all women. Just like racism, I went onto a freeper site and saw anti-female posts the likes that I have never seen by freepers. Trump has unleashed anti-female and violent and racist sentiment. It's okay to be these abhorrent things, now.
Squinch
(51,075 posts)buddies once again for a while:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/business/trump-tweets-mika-brzezinski-joe-scarborough.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
And YES IT IS the media's job to report on A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE'S DECADES LONG STRING OF CRIMINAL ACTS!!! And no, that was not reported. It is still only very thinly reported.
And no, two camps of idiots trading creepy barbs really doesn't make me, a woman, a victim. Your mileage may vary.
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Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)in response to criticism of his policy and lies. This is an historical first, as far as I know. It's important. It's also a pattern of browbeating and personally attacking WOMEN.
What is he'd made statements in a pattern of attacking the appearance of, say, black people? Or Hispanics? Or Asians? You don't think that would be something that should be acted on?
George II
(67,782 posts)....to blackmail them and how he's gotten the National Enquirer to harass Mika's daughters.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)abuse of power.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)I say that the Gossip King should be shamed.
tavernier
(12,410 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)And all it is out there for is to prop up ratings and distract from the real issues, like the failures in the middle east, with health care, and every other failure the POS has had since taking office.
He'd rather be called a woman hater than a failure. He can accept the woman hater moniker because he relishes being a woman hater.
And the Morning Joe show loves the ratings boost.
Remember, these two idiots were supportive of the orange asshat during the election.
BumRushDaShow
(129,882 posts)like show business -
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Next he'll shave Joe's head!
BumRushDaShow
(129,882 posts)a big fucking lecherous man.
LenaBaby61
(6,979 posts)Totally agree with you op.
NOTHING BURGER, and things will STAY the same, treasonous, mentally-ill tRumputin will continue getting away with his abnormal, nasty, filthy behavior, ignorance, racism sexism, eating and tweeting. thuglicans have is FAT back so they can continue destroying this country.
Meh @ Mika & Joe's "act" this morning. I haven't watched them in 7 years until this show. I haven't missed ANYTHING I see. Uh, weren't thy all chummy not that long ago? Yeah, they were
Time for bed
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)They think this is a nothing story also.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)I'm calling it out for the fake pro wrestling bullshit to prop up Morning Joe ratings and distract from the real issues that it is.
oasis
(49,454 posts)That's the real story here.
BigDemVoter
(4,158 posts)I will ALWAYS remember how snarky they were during the entire election.
Of course I will take most anybody's side when it comes to a dispute with Pussy Grabber, but it doesn't mean I like or trust either of them. They're both deplorable, and I don't give damn that Mika is supposedly a "Dem", as I don't believe it.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Going to post what I did in another thread:
It doesn't make Trump's actions any less abhorrent, and I'm not interested in distracting from that with atacks on their character. It's counterproductive.
Also, I'll add that attempting blackmail and going after their children is more serious than just his Twitter rants.
Greybnk48
(10,180 posts)I don't trust that this is a "real" feud.
HAB911
(8,932 posts)GOP: Worry about Trump while we gut healthcare
Putin: Watch the chaos while I hack western democracy
Link to tweet
inwiththenew
(972 posts)Should be great for rating.
Kaleva
(36,384 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)orchestrated a harassment and blackmail campaign against private citizens. That is a crime.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'll keep my ears and eyes open in regards to what the office of the President does and says... my powers of prophecy are not so great as yours, and I rarely cast the bones of birds into a bowl for guidance.
Some distractions are a cause, others are simply an effect. Lot's of clever little fellas out there pretending to know which is which, and basing a conclusion on that pretense.
Lot's of clever little fellas out there pretending to know what is or is not worthy everyone else's consideration.
But I'll give credit where due... yours is an efficient manner to minimize Trump's actions as beyond our care, beyond our review, or beyond our examination.