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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 07:01 PM Jun 2017

Remember: Obamacare had to pass with a 60-vote super majority in the Senate

Remember: Ds held months of debate on Obamacare

Remember: President Obama held televised hearings on the ACA with all the major R pols in attendance

Remember: Rs were allowed to propose amendments to the ACA - over 100 made it into the legislation

Remember: Ds asked for and received input from numerous healthcare groups to fashion the ACA

Remember: the CBO scored the ACA very favorably, well before a vote was taken

Remember: the ACA outlined how it would be funded down to the last clause

Remember all of the above when you hear the talking heads drawing their false equivalencies between then and now.

But most of all, remember that the ACA passed without a single R vote.

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meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
1. And the repugs didn't even need more than 50 votes
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 07:06 PM
Jun 2017

because Pence would step in and break the tie. How the republicans would have been howling if Obama had done that - with *anything*.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
2. the *did* howl when that happened
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:17 PM
Jun 2017

a version of the obamacare bill barely made it through the senate with the 60 votes needed for cloture.

but there were still changes to be made for what would have been the final version. however, ted kennedy died and his seat was replaced with republican scott brown, so we no longer had 60 votes.

so the house agreed to pass the senate version as is and it became the official aca law, and a week later, they passed another law (the health care and education reconciliation act) via reconciliation to take care of the final adjustments.

republicans went ape at this "sneaky" procedure.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. Yes the ACA passed in 2 parts. The main bill needed 60 votes the 2nd part passed under...
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jun 2017

"budgetary reconciliation" and only needed 50 votes.

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
6. that was because of Martha Coakly chocked in MA, that was a disaster...
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jun 2017

And we had LIEberman holding entire D party by guts.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
7. The republicans can only win if they lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate the rules.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:43 PM
Jun 2017

We can't keep letting them get away with this.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
8. After it passed it was crippled by Marco Rubio's bill to kill the risk corridor and the SC's
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:56 PM
Jun 2017

agreement that any state could refuse to expand Medicaid in their state. Those decisions weakened and broke the ACA so the premiums rose and many Companies withdrew from the plan.

The fight to stop Our President Obama, from helping millions and getting the credit, has propelled the the R's vendetta to erase the best plan for medical insurance help which our nation still needs.

We should be working together to insure all our citizens and not taking their insurance money and giving it to the most wealthy among us. It is thievery. It is robbery. It is fraud and it is wrong.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. No he wasn't even in office when the first part of the ACA was passed in the Senate
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

He was for the second part which was passed using reconciliation and so only needed 51 votes.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
11. No, Brown wasn't a Senator when the main bill passed, and he voted against the...
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:51 PM
Jun 2017

second part of the bill which was passed by reconcillation.

The vote results:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00105
Brown (R-MA), Nay

Note that three Democrats also voted against the second part...
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay

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