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"He's dead, Jim." (Original Post) Different Drummer Jun 2017 OP
Now we get to hear trump gloat about a seat they held since 1974? NightWatcher Jun 2017 #1
And we also get to hear his supporters spouting hateful shit about liberals again. Initech Jun 2017 #8
1979 actually alp227 Jun 2017 #56
this sucks. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #2
That witch actually said on TV, "I don't believe in a livable wage" and she wins. brush Jun 2017 #20
We had to win this in April. Ossoff just didn't wear well with time in that district. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #26
I really like......... MyOwnPeace Jun 2017 #28
How fucking depressing. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #46
"The DNC, including the outreach chairman, didn't throw all resources behind then." TheDebbieDee Jun 2017 #59
I was referring to the earlier race where it was within grasp. The outreach chairman was... brush Jun 2017 #60
FUCK!!!!!!! Initech Jun 2017 #3
Mail in ballots could make a dent Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #4
I think this was another stolen election... TheDebbieDee Jun 2017 #5
Steve KOrnacki said the very red Cobb county gave her the advantage underthematrix Jun 2017 #15
That is a good point! bresue Jun 2017 #19
That's the horrible thing now. Going forward from trump and his great friend Putin... brush Jun 2017 #41
Tom Price won it by 24% just this past November. MarvinGardens Jun 2017 #55
Single digit difference in a historically Repub district. Kaleva Jun 2017 #6
I think that Trump notwithstanding, voters ususally prefer someone with experience question everything Jun 2017 #7
it had nothing to do with that. it's about white voters voting on race JI7 Jun 2017 #11
When we stop reaching for the race card obliviously Jun 2017 #42
we can explain it. it's the denial of the obvious which makes it difficult JI7 Jun 2017 #43
White people elected a black president to two terms. obliviously Jun 2017 #44
majority of white people did NOT vote for Obama JI7 Jun 2017 #45
Obama Matched Clinton in votes from whites and exceeded Carter obliviously Jun 2017 #48
none of that changes the fact that majority of white people vote republican JI7 Jun 2017 #49
It's really not that complicated. BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #17
Exactly. spiderpig Jun 2017 #57
Not over til its over... strange tho that the polling doesn't jive with the vote totals. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #9
Glad I will not have access to tv helpisontheway Jun 2017 #10
I am a southerner get the red out Jun 2017 #12
I'm from Wisconsin... Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #52
It's not over yet n/t kcr Jun 2017 #13
" i'm a doctor not a bricklayer " California_Republic Jun 2017 #14
Fuck you MFM008 Jun 2017 #16
Nevertheless, as Rachel noted this evening...that their wins are only 2-3% bresue Jun 2017 #18
At this point a loss is a loss. There are no seats in Congress redstateblues Jun 2017 #23
We have won....because we have the Rubs on the run bresue Jun 2017 #31
Yes, when we spend massive millions of dollars customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #24
And neither can they, especially to defend an easy win... bresue Jun 2017 #34
There's a lot of time between now and November 2018 customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #38
It. Doesn't. Fucking. Matter. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #53
I'm sick of losing BainsBane Jun 2017 #21
Me too. calimary Jun 2017 #22
I am with you both. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #29
Lawrence O'Donnell is trying hard to spin this BainsBane Jun 2017 #35
I'm sick of rigged elections. GoCubsGo Jun 2017 #32
We did not lose 2016...it was stolen by underhanded, sleezy criminals... bresue Jun 2017 #36
"Jed's dead, baby. Jed's dead." (Pulp Fiction) nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #25
Zed...But I Got Your Humor... Grassy Knoll Jun 2017 #33
Oops. ZED. Thanks. Loved that scene. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #37
On Of My Top 5 For Sure... Grassy Knoll Jun 2017 #40
I hope all her supporters lose their healthcare. Ilsa Jun 2017 #27
They will... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #30
Most people get employer provided health care, is what I figure. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #39
They are changing lifetime limits on that, too, so even employer provided plans will be impacted. CrispyQ Jun 2017 #50
Lifetime limits don't matter to most people. Didn't matter to me. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #61
I disagree. CrispyQ Jun 2017 #62
You see, that's part of the problem. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #63
"A refusal to see that different people care about different things." CrispyQ Jun 2017 #64
I hate her and I hate everyone who voted for that pig! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #47
They will... and they will keep voting Republican. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #54
So do they know yet how many people Jane Austin Jun 2017 #51
Tom Price won this seat by 24 points this past November. MarvinGardens Jun 2017 #58

Initech

(100,070 posts)
8. And we also get to hear his supporters spouting hateful shit about liberals again.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jun 2017

I'm so sick of this. The bad guys always win. They've rigged the house and we keep betting against it. I'm now fearing what's going to happen next year.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
2. this sucks.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:46 PM
Jun 2017

Karen Handel Rep. 100,537 52.9%
Jon Ossoff Dem. 89,635 47.1

65% reporting (136 of 208 precincts)

brush

(53,776 posts)
20. That witch actually said on TV, "I don't believe in a livable wage" and she wins.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:04 PM
Jun 2017

Ossoff almost had it in the earlier race. The DNC, including the outreach chairman, didn't throw all resources behind then.

He beat all the other candidates by huge margins and was 2 percentage points from winning the seat outright.

There are just some poor decisions being made as far as allocating resources. At the time of the earlier race our outreach chairman was backing a mayoral candidate in an inconsequential race in Nebraska and the DNC just didn't seem to get the importance of winning that seat early.

God! I'm so sick of losing to horrible, uncaring, empathy-lacking, hateful, wretched repugs. This race was huge and our party apparatus didn't get behind Ossoff early.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
26. We had to win this in April. Ossoff just didn't wear well with time in that district.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:08 PM
Jun 2017

If the morons of that district think a livable wage is not a good thing I say the hell with them.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
28. I really like.........
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:10 PM
Jun 2017

what you're saying here. The Dems MUST put forward candidates that have NO weaknesses and are fully supported from the start.
It will be interesting to hear/read the obit. as to how/why this seat was lost.
WHEN will we ever learn?

Hopefully, SOON!!!!!!!!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
46. How fucking depressing.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jun 2017

This country is beyond hope. I am despairing of it ever getting any better.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
59. "The DNC, including the outreach chairman, didn't throw all resources behind then."
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:09 PM
Jun 2017

Mr Ossoff raised $23 million for this race. What resources could the DNC have provided that Mr. Ossoff could not afford?

brush

(53,776 posts)
60. I was referring to the earlier race where it was within grasp. The outreach chairman was...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:14 PM
Jun 2017

campaign for a local mayoral race when a seat in the US House was at stake.

Ossoff certainly hadn't raised 23m then. People, organization, field work and outreach was needed and a run-off election against Handel wouldn't have even been necessary.

It was that close.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
5. I think this was another stolen election...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jun 2017

I can't prove it was stolen but no one can prove that it wasn't...

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
15. Steve KOrnacki said the very red Cobb county gave her the advantage
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:52 PM
Jun 2017

even though Fulton county is much larger. And Pascale data consultant joined Handel's team in the last few weeks of election. So yes I think it was fixed. I still believe the FBI is watching this one. Maybe we'll learn how the Republicans did it.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
19. That is a good point!
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jun 2017

Any election party that Pascale is working...will be under the FBIs microscope. Let's hope they catch them...he seems like a guy that would continue to hack, just because he can.

brush

(53,776 posts)
41. That's the horrible thing now. Going forward from trump and his great friend Putin...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jun 2017

how can we ever be sure that our elections are not stolen?

Are they now just pointless exercises, theater to maintain the appearance of democracy...but already decided by trump's buddies and the crooked CrossCheck purging and other repug dirty tricks?

Are we teetering on the end?

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
55. Tom Price won it by 24% just this past November.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:57 PM
Jun 2017

Karen Handel won it by 4 points tonight. So I guess they threw us a bone when they rigged it?

question everything

(47,479 posts)
7. I think that Trump notwithstanding, voters ususally prefer someone with experience
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jun 2017

which Handel does.

It is clear that we need to find solid candidates. Sadly, Ossoff came from nowhere, with no experience and not even living in the precinct.

Yes, fiance and all but couldn't he have rented a place in the precinct for a year, or so?

Many seasoned politicians have done so.

There is a special election coming in S. Carolina, I think, where there is a large block of African Americans. Perhaps we can do better there.



obliviously

(1,635 posts)
42. When we stop reaching for the race card
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jun 2017

every time something happens that we can't explain we will start winning again.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
45. majority of white people did NOT vote for Obama
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:32 PM
Jun 2017

Majority of every other race did vote for Obama.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
49. none of that changes the fact that majority of white people vote republican
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jun 2017

And mostly because of race.

BannonsLiver

(16,386 posts)
17. It's really not that complicated.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:56 PM
Jun 2017

Republicans in traditional republican districts prefer republican candidates. The end.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
57. Exactly.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:05 PM
Jun 2017

When we're dealing with swing voters, not residing in the district can make a difference. With such a huge war chest, couldn't he rent a place that was - what? - 5 to 10 minutes away? Couldn't his fiance Uber to med school in the interest of the greater good?

Shaking my head. Dems blew another one.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
9. Not over til its over... strange tho that the polling doesn't jive with the vote totals.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jun 2017

Who's mindin' the kitchen?... don't trust the Rethugs.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
10. Glad I will not have access to tv
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:50 PM
Jun 2017

until Saturday. I do not want to hear the media gloat about the Republican's win.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
18. Nevertheless, as Rachel noted this evening...that their wins are only 2-3%
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jun 2017

And that usually Rubs win by a 20% margin. That is a lot of people saying no to Rubs, who before were not involved. Waking a lot of people up and pushing them into politics.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
31. We have won....because we have the Rubs on the run
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:17 PM
Jun 2017

And they are shitting in their pants worried about 2018.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
24. Yes, when we spend massive millions of dollars
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:06 PM
Jun 2017

we can narrow the margin from 20% to 5%. Big fucking deal, the result is still the same. We can't do that in every House race in 2018.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
34. And neither can they, especially to defend an easy win...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:20 PM
Jun 2017

And no Russia money in 2018..they are screwed....

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
38. There's a lot of time between now and November 2018
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:23 PM
Jun 2017

Trump could have things happen that cause GOP'ers to doubt him, and want to rid themselves of him before that point, but it didn't happen tonight.

Playing devil's advocate, he seems to have a floor of support under him, and we seem to have plumbed the bottom of it, worst case scenario, he rises from the depths which he finds himself now.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
53. It. Doesn't. Fucking. Matter.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:51 PM
Jun 2017

TRUMP barely won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Barely. Guess who's President?



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
37. Oops. ZED. Thanks. Loved that scene.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:22 PM
Jun 2017

"Who's motorcycle is that?"
"Zed's."
"Where's Zed?"
"Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead."

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. Most people get employer provided health care, is what I figure.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:24 PM
Jun 2017

That's why there's not the outcry over the health bill. Most people view it as not affecting them. Because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
50. They are changing lifetime limits on that, too, so even employer provided plans will be impacted.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jun 2017

They are equal opportunity fuckers.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
61. Lifetime limits don't matter to most people. Didn't matter to me.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:32 AM
Jun 2017

I HATED that Obamacare made my policy have limitless lifetime limits. That costs and was something I did not want to pay for, but I was forced to pay for it. If I will have a choice in getting less than infinite lifetime limits, I consider that a plus, if it saves me money. Of course, w/o a subsidy I won't be able to buy insurance at all.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
62. I disagree.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:03 AM
Jun 2017

Lifetime limits are important to a lot of people & not just those who already have medical issues. A million dollar lifetime limit is nothing.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
63. You see, that's part of the problem.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jun 2017

A refusal to see that different people care about different things. When you're talking about charging me a lot of money for something, it matters whether I WANT it or determine I need it. I don't WANT to pay for an infinite lifetime cap. Many others do not. Young people, healthy people, people with limited funds.

I am paying on the exchange (with subsidy) for maternity benefits that I will never use, a lifetime unlimited cap that I will likely never need, inpatient drug rehab coverage that I will never use, birth control pills that I will never use, and other things.

If it were a reasonable cost, that would be bad enough. But my premium was so high that I cannot afford to buy it without a subsidy. If I didn't have to pay for the things I didn't need, my premium would have been a lot less.

Obamacare has some great things in it, and the GOP bill will be horrific. But doing away with forcing people to pay up for an unlimited lifetime cap isn't one of them.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
64. "A refusal to see that different people care about different things."
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:24 AM
Jun 2017

Sorry I came across that way.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
54. They will... and they will keep voting Republican.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:53 PM
Jun 2017

It doesn't matter anymore. They can literally do anything.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
51. So do they know yet how many people
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 10:47 PM
Jun 2017

were turned away from the polls?

Do they know yet how many votes were flipped by Diebold?

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
58. Tom Price won this seat by 24 points this past November.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:06 PM
Jun 2017

Karen Handel won it by 4 points today. There are those on this thread who have already said that doesn't matter. I say it does. Sometimes, change is incremental, and happens more slowly than we want. Jon Ossoff will be back, too.

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