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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:16 PM Jul 2012

Who here has experience with computer writing programs

I am grading (. . . when am I not grading?) a paper on the War Powers Act. I don't think I have ever seen one like this. I have plenty that have all sorts of inaccuracies and bad writing. Sometimes it takes a second or even a third reading of a passage to understand what the mean. Some are so bad that I require they go to the writing center on campus.

But this paper is a collection of often unrelated words generally relating to the topic. It sounds as if it was written by a computer ... or by a committee

Examples:

Without a doubt, the perseverance has efficiently required confident presidents into connecting Congress afore obligating the military in voyages away and through the retro of actions.


The necessities of the steadfastness need to successfully have banded the premier after autonomous engagements in the use of the armed in conflicts is worried.


This successfully foresees the probability of the president interim singly in such a way.


This esteems if the help of the president are tense by this determination as in encumber his receptiveness to conditions that might request for the placement of the country’s fighting.


I'm confounded.

Help, please





















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Who here has experience with computer writing programs (Original Post) ashling Jul 2012 OP
Don't know how it was written, but definitely an F. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #1
No question about that ashling Jul 2012 #18
Definitely an 'F' guardian Jul 2012 #52
sounds like a foreign language being translated literally by Babblefish librechik Jul 2012 #2
That's exactly what struck me, too Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #12
Someone's playing a prank on you. randome Jul 2012 #3
A prank? ashling Jul 2012 #20
Could it have been a bought paper... hootinholler Jul 2012 #4
No luck with any I have tried ashling Jul 2012 #23
Do you have ESL students in this class? MattBaggins Jul 2012 #5
It almost sounds like Babelfish. denverbill Jul 2012 #6
No offense, but you shouldn't be publishing student writing alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #7
That was one thought ashling Jul 2012 #24
That looks like the output of a text combination generator localroger Jul 2012 #8
Agreed. Foolacious Jul 2012 #17
That was my line of thinking, ashling Jul 2012 #27
Like the Chomskybot Crabby Appleton Jul 2012 #37
Probably a Markov chain generator. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #49
Agree William Seger Jul 2012 #58
Is the student from India? jberryhill Jul 2012 #9
That was my thought, a purchased paper tammywammy Jul 2012 #56
Those look like the result of using Babelfish to translate something in English through a series... slackmaster Jul 2012 #10
Apparently you have Ms. South Carolina in your class! DrewFlorida Jul 2012 #11
I have had some students like that ashling Jul 2012 #29
God, that was painful to watch! randome Jul 2012 #51
It looks like it was written by a future Harvard MBA. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #13
Could have been prepared with OCR software. lpbk2713 Jul 2012 #14
There are blog/spam programs that write nonsense like this. Looks like it. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #15
The large vocabulary being used seems inconsistent with the lack of sense or grammar. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #16
Word Salad = Schizophrenia Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #19
More here: Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #21
I also ran it by my wife (College Professor - Theater History) and she's seen word salad.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #25
Unfortunately I don't have any face to face contact ashling Jul 2012 #32
Word salad is quite disturbing. In the 70s, I volunteered... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #34
I think the possibility of mental illness necessitates a call to the Dean.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #42
Thanks ashling Jul 2012 #53
I think you may have hit on something here. It would be worth looking into....... wandy Jul 2012 #33
Anyone related to Dan Quayle in your class? TlalocW Jul 2012 #22
or sara p. bbgrunt Jul 2012 #40
Postmodernism Generator? longship Jul 2012 #26
Postmodern Generator was my first thought as well. progressoid Jul 2012 #39
Yes, but the PMG generates good grammar. longship Jul 2012 #44
I'd like to see the sources!!!! benld74 Jul 2012 #28
A basic lack of English. kentuck Jul 2012 #30
Could be someone mentally ill. Or it could be written by someone who isn't a native English speaker. Ian David Jul 2012 #31
This person has a solid future in corporate communications.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #35
Is Sarah Palin in your class? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #36
I thought it sounded familiar! Dalai_1 Jul 2012 #55
This confirms my theory that Sarah Palin's brain was replaced with a Markov chain generator! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2012 #59
Appears to be generated. immoderate Jul 2012 #38
Word Salad once through a spell checker? Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #41
Good point. immoderate Jul 2012 #43
Not even word salad. RebelOne Jul 2012 #45
More on Word Salad (aka schizophasia): Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #46
Reminds me of that South Carolina beauty queen. moondust Jul 2012 #47
Perhaps voice recognition software. Blanks Jul 2012 #48
I've got dragon and have that problem ashling Jul 2012 #54
My guess is that you have shown examples of computer generated prose and not a very good ladjf Jul 2012 #50
Article spinner ? limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #57

ashling

(25,771 posts)
18. No question about that
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jul 2012

I am trying to figure out where this cam from. Do I just give this student a zero, or a zero and a trip to see the dean?

librechik

(30,674 posts)
2. sounds like a foreign language being translated literally by Babblefish
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:19 PM
Jul 2012

a translation program which is hilariously non-sequitur-ish

ashling

(25,771 posts)
20. A prank?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

I just don't see someone playing a prank with their grade like this.

It would be a shame to take all the tests, quizzes, etc. and risk getting tossed out of the class for a prank.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
4. Could it have been a bought paper...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jul 2012

Then passed through translation to say, French and back again to English?

Any luck when you google a passage? Put it in quotes and the google treats it as a phrase search.

Whatever wrote that doesn't understand English well.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
23. No luck with any I have tried
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

Interestingly enough, I caught my first instance of plagiarism that way back when I was a graduate assistant. A student had cut and paste an article from the National Review. Which prompted me to look back at an earlier paper in which the student had the presence of mind to cut the first and last paragraph.

One of the keys was the fact that one of the pieces included the phrases "last week in these pages I looked at" (or something like that and the final paragraph included "Next week I'll consider ..."

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
6. It almost sounds like Babelfish.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jul 2012

I wonder if they found an article in another language and translated it through Babelfish. But if they are smart enough to find an article in a foreign language, they would be smart enough to proof read the translation.

I wonder if there is a some program that 'unplagiarizes' articles, but replacing some verbs, adjectives, etc with similar words. That's almost what this sounds like to me.

Either way, it's an F.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
7. No offense, but you shouldn't be publishing student writing
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jul 2012

(such that it is) on a public board.

That said, this looks like a translator program. Is your student a non-native speaker of English? if so, he or she may have written the paper in his or her native language and sent it through a translation program (a fairly common occurrence).

It could also be just straight up plagiarized through a translation engine.

Third possibility: it is plagiarized with the help of a thesaurus - the student has introduced poor "synonyms" in an attempt to mask the plagiarism.

I can tell you this: it is deeply unlikely that this isn't some form of plagiarism. A student who would know the word "autonomous" wouldn't produce such incoherent prose.

localroger

(3,626 posts)
8. That looks like the output of a text combination generator
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jul 2012

These programs work by analyzing a large sample of real text, and listing what words appear together with what frequency; then random words are chosen and strung together with the same frequencies. The result tends to recognizably mimic the style of the original author, but the actual sentences don't make any sense.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
27. That was my line of thinking,
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jul 2012

but I have no real experience with these other that humor line generators (talk like a pirate, etc.)

I also have no real knowledge of the availability of software for this, etc. ...

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
49. Probably a Markov chain generator.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:43 PM
Jul 2012

Back in '08, some wiseass used one to make a web site where you could "interview" Sarah Palin! Indistinguishable from the real thing!

Sounds like your student failed his Turing Test.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Is the student from India?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jul 2012

Although it sounds more like it was translated poorly from Chinese.

There are places where you can order custom term papers at low rates from Asian writing bullpens, but even they recommend that you edit to suit. This looks like either raw offshore author product, or an Indian up late on a bender while trying to pad out the word and complexity score.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
56. That was my thought, a purchased paper
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:31 PM
Jul 2012

There's a ton of websites out there where you can pay someone to write your paper for you. I'd never heard of such a thing until a couple of years ago, there was a post here on DU linking to an article about it.

edited to add: Here's that article http://chronicle.com/article/The-Shadow-Scholar/125329/

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
10. Those look like the result of using Babelfish to translate something in English through a series...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jul 2012

...of other languages then back into English.

One of the Philip K. Dick novels discusses this as a misuse of a distributed computer system. The activity is referred to as The Game by its participants. A person is presented with some bizarre phrase or sentence, and is supposed to guess what it was before being garbled by the translation process.

For example "Serious Constrictingpath" could be a result of the name Ernest Hemingway being translated through a series of languages.

Four score and seven years ago

04:20 Et il y a sept ans

04: 20, Og syv år siden

04: 20, ??? ??ώ ??? ???ά ??ό???

04: 20 И семь лет

04: 20, और सात साल

04: 20, and seven years

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
11. Apparently you have Ms. South Carolina in your class!
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jul 2012

Apparently you have Ms. South Carolina in your class, LMAO!



Watch her in action on this youtube link.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
13. It looks like it was written by a future Harvard MBA.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jul 2012

Of course, it could have been written by a future MBA from another school.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
14. Could have been prepared with OCR software.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jul 2012



A scanner is used to get the closest recognition of print from an image.


democrat_patriot

(2,774 posts)
15. There are blog/spam programs that write nonsense like this. Looks like it.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:30 PM
Jul 2012

They input keywords and out pops an article 'written' by a computer.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
25. I also ran it by my wife (College Professor - Theater History) and she's seen word salad....
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:52 PM
Jul 2012

with drugs (especially smack and speed).

ashling

(25,771 posts)
32. Unfortunately I don't have any face to face contact
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

with students as this is online. I have considered that in other cases, but this is just too weird.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
34. Word salad is quite disturbing. In the 70s, I volunteered...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:04 PM
Jul 2012

at a local Help Center and saw word salad in action live and in person.

Frightening stuff.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
42. I think the possibility of mental illness necessitates a call to the Dean....
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:31 PM
Jul 2012

Your school may have responsibilities. Not sure with these new virtual universities.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
33. I think you may have hit on something here. It would be worth looking into.......
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:03 PM
Jul 2012

Anyone smart enough to use a computer for OCR, translation or even in this day and age speech to text, is smart enough to check the output.

longship

(40,416 posts)
26. Postmodernism Generator?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jul 2012

The Postmodernism Generator is a delicious debunking of academic postmodernism, which was taken down by Richard Dawkins in his book, A Devil's Chaplain.

It generates similar word salad. Or, maybe the student is him/herself a postmodernist.

(There is even a Postmodernism Generator App for the iPhone.)

Either way, it seems like word salad and therefore suspicious.

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
39. Postmodern Generator was my first thought as well.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jul 2012

Or someone trying desperately to sound like intelligent.

longship

(40,416 posts)
44. Yes, but the PMG generates good grammar.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jul 2012

The OP's student's grammar doesn't parse. So, maybe Babelfish is the answer.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
30. A basic lack of English.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:00 PM
Jul 2012

Subjects, verbs, nouns, adverbs, prepositions.

Simple sentences.

See Spot run. I like cheese. You are a genius. What is a sentence?

It seems like this person has a fairly good vocabulary but doesn't know how to use it?

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
31. Could be someone mentally ill. Or it could be written by someone who isn't a native English speaker.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

Perhaps even a foreigner in a termpaper mill.

Or, it could be a purchased term paper and someone has gone and changed a bunch of words around so that they won't get caught submitting a duplicate of someone else's.

See:

Anti-Plagiarism Strategies for Research Papers
http://www.virtualsalt.com/antiplag.htm

Why You Should Not Buy College Term Papers
Fraudulent Custom Paper Sites, Academic Dishonesty, & Other Issues
http://suite101.com/article/why-you-should-not-buy-college-term-papers-a197449



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
35. This person has a solid future in corporate communications..
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:07 PM
Jul 2012

That stuff sounded all intellectual and used a lot of buzzwords but the semantic content was precisely zero.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
38. Appears to be generated.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jul 2012

Word salad by a mentally ill person is possible, but unlikely without some spelling errors.

Some years ago, I taught a computer class to middle schoolers. For word processing, they had to write something. For many, they handed in unintelligible papers. So I invited them to read it to me. When they realized they couldn't understand what they had written, they sheepishly took it back to the computer. I said, "Don't hand me anything you haven't read first." It was an awakening.


--imm

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
43. Good point.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jul 2012

Spell errors might, in that case, translate to vocabulary errors. Maybe it was a mentally ill person using a writing generator.

--imm

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
45. Not even word salad.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jul 2012

It seems like gibberish to me. And I am a former copy editor and would have to rewrite some parts of stories to make sense. I do not even see a way to rewrite these paragraphs to make any sense at all.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
47. Reminds me of that South Carolina beauty queen.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:01 PM
Jul 2012
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don’t have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
48. Perhaps voice recognition software.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:38 PM
Jul 2012

I've tried talking into the damn things and that's about how close they come to 'guessing' what I'm saying.

Obviously, if that's what happened, they should have proof read it. I've been up all night and turned in some shit (when i was in college) that didn't make sense when I read it later.

Nothing this bad I hope, but some sentences in this seem to start coherently and then taper off into strangeness. Or make sense and then a strange word appears.

I worked at a place where the boss talked into a tape recorder, and the girls typed the letters up from what he had said. The first drafts very often read like this.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
54. I've got dragon and have that problem
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jul 2012

sometimes. Takes a while for it to learn my speech and inflections

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
50. My guess is that you have shown examples of computer generated prose and not a very good
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:46 PM
Jul 2012

program at that.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
57. Article spinner ?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe they took some other essay on the War Powers Act and fed it through an article spinner, or something like that.

A computer program than looks up words in the thesaurus and makes substitutions. Generates this kind of gibberish. Used by shady websites do generate lots of content.

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