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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDonald Trump is going to be impeached...
...or forced to resign (place your bets!)
Comey's testimony made that very clear to me.
If there was one clear I mpression Comey made during this hearing, it was true respect for our governmental institutions (his success and impartiality in defending those institutions is another discussion).
But what is clear is his respect for them.
Given that respect, the way he so openly described the sitting President of the United States as a liar and untrustworthy was, frankly, shocking.
I just don't see that he would make such statements against the President if he did not fully expected him to be removed from that position. To do otherwise would be to besmirch the institution of the Presidency, and I just don't see Comey doing that.
Nope. Comey believes Trump is going down and, given the information he has access to, I have to believe that is exactly where this is heading.
Wow.
furtheradu
(1,865 posts)& I HOPE!
oxbow
(2,034 posts)If he is so sure that he is not under investigation, then why does it seem like he is fighting for his life? All hands are on deck for this situation...there's no reason him to be in fight or flight mode if it's just a Manafort or a Flynn with their heads on the chopping block.
barbtries
(28,789 posts)clearly he's been digging like crazy trying to see what they've got on him. that betrays a consciousness of guilt in my opinion, he can say he didn't do anything all he wants but there must be something there or he would not be so paranoid.
why didn't he fire flynn for so long after yates told him how compromised flynn was? just as an example - because he already knew it before she did? because flynn was compromised on trump's marching orders? just spitballin'
oxbow
(2,034 posts)Multiple news reports say he is singlemindedly consumed with the Russia investigation. Lordy knows he wouldn't lose sleep over having to throw a few underlings under the bus; the logical conclusion is that he feels personally compromised by something having to do with Russia.
leftieNanner
(15,084 posts)I believe that if he leaves the White House for any reason, his life and livelihood are forfeited. They have him by the proverbial nuts and they aren't afraid to squeeze. 45 has an assignment from Putin.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Should be laudy.
volstork
(5,400 posts)law-DEE!
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Good job on reconstituting the spelling, but the accent belongs on the first syllable.
Edited to add: Think of 'mercy, mercy, mercy'.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)And when i read your post, i thought of the Leadbelly tune "Oh lawdy, pick a bale of cotton..."
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)Is this one of those things you've thought wrong all your life?
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)You've been right all along.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)barbtries
(28,789 posts)so he took advantage of his special position to tip history in the right direction.
plus i read somewhere that Comey said once at the end of the day all i will have is my family and my reputation. i'm thinking it might have been a mistake for trump to fire him. hehehe
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)a business trip in LA and he had to learn about it on TV. How humiliating!!! I think even a boy scout and saint like Comey can hold a grudge for something like that, and deservedly so.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)As long as he toes the line... repealing ACA, gutting the EPA, giving banks and investment companies the legislative breaks they've been praying -- and paying for (via lobbying and stupor-PACs), they won't even consider removing 45.
But that doesn't mean that they aren't ready to jettison this stinky turd 💩 if their highly-paid campaign consultants tell them that their re-election in 2018 is in jeopardy. In the meantime, they'll continue their "dialing for dollars" efforts directed at the base of deplorables.
certainot
(9,090 posts)talk radio he's going to be able to keep the troops in line, barring something major.
GOP establishment know they don't have shit with pence or ryan because they can't keep the base. if trump looks really bad they'll just use it to blackmail him.
there are no republican reps left with any integrity or backbone and as long as limbaugh keeps taking that putin money there will be plenty of rationalizations and denial for the base to choose from.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:15 PM - Edit history (1)
They want to destroy our Constitutional Democracy and replace it with an Oligarchy. Trump is their idol because he screws over anyone he can whenever he can. They want a one-party system (even if that means leaving the Dems as a permanent minority to keep up appearances). They want a serfdom, where when you can no longer work you go die and if you can't afford to buy food because there is no work, they starve, since you can't do anything to make them richer.
The word 'treason' doesn't even come close to these truly evil persons.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)as long as the stock market is doing ok then there will be little political pressure on them to do anything about Trump.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Reelection, until that's in danger. There's no impeachment.
And when there is impeachment, it will be too late for most of them
Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)complete control over all decisions involving female genitalia.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Really, they don't.
Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)Remember ALL is theater.
If deals can be made - power can be levered - that's all that matters.
Nobody is working for 'truth and justice' for the 'American people'. It's whatever benefits those in charge with power.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Senate or House will allow this...
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)However it occurs (if it does) may it consume and destroy that party.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)He alluded to more that he could not say in the open and presumably he spilled a bunch more to the Senators this afternoon. It was a short session according to Susan Collins but he could have revealed a lot even in a short time. Let's hope that he did and the congressmen who were there will take the ball and run with it.
Mueller will, no doubt, be toiling away on this investigation and I just hope it doesn't stretch out into YEARS of inquiry. I am afraid for this country if that happens. The longer tRump is in office, the more the danger festers and grows. He is a poison that has contaminated our country and invaded the highest office in the land. I can't believe that the people in DC who know way more than we do are just nibbling around the edges of this issue. This is not a minor thing that can or should be allowed to continue. Impeachment must begin. NOW! There is probably enough known to proceed with that. The Russian investigation can continue, too. But tRump must go. What good does it do to drag this out if the country is destroyed when we get around to dealing with what is destroying us?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If they stonewall the investigations maybe it will saves their useless skin. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were truly corrupt in jail time ways.
cstanleytech
(26,290 posts)for the Democrats to get the number of seats they would need in the Senate before 2020, they could do it with the House but not the Senate.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)Too many of them are involved in this mess. Not one republican will vote for impeachment.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)You just aren't tuned in correctly if you think an R controlled House would even put article's up ...
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Maybe there are some secrets he revealed in closed session, but once again trump skates away for another day.
COmey can respect the office, and not the man - obvious he was not going to hold back e:trump, no matter what office he holds or not.
By May 9th trump was STILL not being personally investigated - something earth-shattering has got to go down, or come out
mdbl
(4,973 posts)this shit is so heinous, and everyone keeps acting like it's no big deal.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...and undermined by a foreign enemy.
What the hell could be more earth-shattering than that?
Aristus
(66,327 posts)If he is impeached, the only sentence is removal from office. But that wouldn't indeminify him from a criminal trial. Which he would also have to face if he resigned.
If he rolled over on Pence, or any other high officials, could he cut a deal for immunity?
mvd
(65,173 posts)Did I want more? Yes. But there were these main points:
- Trump can not be trusted - that is huge
- Obstruction of justice
- Trump felt Comey should be his personal servent
And remember, it's the small fish that get caught first. He never exonerated Trump for collusion.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)as soon as he finds a way to do it in a manner that doesn't seem like a real resignation so he can leave the WH in a parade of triumph...
Chrysanthemum
(188 posts)he would put himself in serious legal jeopardy by doing so. As president, he cannot be indicted. But once he's just Citizen Trump, he's fair game for any grand jury.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that his ego and bubble are so complete that he believes he will not only serve out this term but is already planning on a second. People around him tell him what he wants to hear.
This reminds me, reportedly there's real danger in advising him what not to say because when they have that's often the first thing out of his mouth next time.
Welcome to DU, Chrysanthemum. Like your name.
whopis01
(3,511 posts)I think he might even be looking for that excuse already. I sincerely doubt that he likes this job. He is used to be able to do things in a private boardroom and set his own schedule for things. I believe if he finds a good out he will take it.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)There was impeachment talk for years during W's administration and it never came close. It will never come close now. The very, very worst outcome that will happen will be censure. Republicans will never impeach a Republican. Never.
Everyone reading this needs to realize this. Don't get your hopes up. You simply cannot count on Republicans to do what's right for the country at the cost of the party. It is exactly the opposite of the soul of their party. They put party so far ahead of country that country isn't even on their radar. Republicans will never impeach Donald Trump. There will be no punishment for him, or Pence, or Sessions. No one in the Trump administration who isn't specifically let go as a fall guy will be punished.
There will be no impeachment. In my opinion, hope is foolish and this is all wasted energy. The only way to set things right is to somehow win rigged elections, and I'm losing a lot of faith that that's possible, either.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Clearly Comey thinks something is coming down that will force Trump's removal from office.
That is my opinion.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)I think he feels that Trump is a waste of space as a human being, and is pissed off about his firing. But I didn't get any kind of impression that Comey thinks something is coming down. That said, you could be right. But I'll point out that if someone like Comey who is basically honest and seems to believe in America thinks that something is coming down, that doesn't mean that impeachment or criminal charges are coming. I think that no matter what comes down, the Republican congress will simply shrug it off.
Kleveland
(1,257 posts)I will believe that he is impeached when I see it happen.
And just as a sobering reminder, impeachment is not removal. It is only part one, sort of like an arraignment.
Resignation?
I can't really see that either, unless he leaves feet first, or thinks it will be enormously profitable, 'cause he is that shallow of a scum bastard toad.
As physically fit as he seems to be, feet first may be more likely.
It is very stressful, and it makes me sad to the depths of my being that this country is in such a state as this.
I would love to be wrong, please make me wrong, oh Lord please!
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)And there is no point of impeaching if you can't convict in the Senate...however, if the GOP decides he has to go...the votes are there. Welcome to DU...the sky is not falling...another way to stop Trump cold is by winning the Senate and the House...both would be nice but one would work too
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Would be along the lines of the final scene by Pacino in Scarface.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)He doesn't want to be president of a Democracy, he wants to be a kink or a dictator like Putin...Comey should hire a bodyguard.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)An R controlled House won't even put article's up ...
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and either names DT as an unindicted co-conspirator, or even indicts him (Laurence Tribe says that is legally possible) - are you so sure Congress would never push him out?
Here is why hope is NOT foolish and this is NOT wasted energy: we need to keep up the drumbeat against DT. The more the public puts pressure on Congress, the more it will increase the chance that they toss him overboard -- or they will get tossed overboard themselves in 2018.
I don't see why you think it is helpful to tell people to give up -- which is what you are doing. That serves only DT and the Rethugs. Democrats have to keep fighting, and fighting hard.
bora13
(860 posts)or DU will literally be underground along with our loss of liberties.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)aren' there other ways of removal due to medical condition which results in inability to govern? This won't require congress?
If he is not removed, a violent fascism regime is unavoidable. Libel laws, imprisonment of leakers and reporters who publish them, same with non-loyal government officials, etc.
The county is beyond divided, it's broken beyond repair after this testimony. No competent person will work in trumps administration unless they have an alterior motive of exposing him.
Moral Compass
(1,519 posts)I do not believe that Trump will be impeached. I'm certain of that.
Impeachment is a political not a criminal process. Even if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump is guilty of it all including collusion and even treason his party will not impeach him. And they have the votes.
The Republicans will not allow articles of impeachment to come to the House floor.
I'm not even certain at this point if impeachment is it in our best interest
I'm certainly not convinced it is in the interest of the country.
There is no mechanism that is defined by the Constitution that allows for a wholesale replacement of an entire government. And that is what we need. If Trump goes then we get Pence. If Pence goes then we get Ryan. If Ryan goes I think it goes to Orrin Hatch.
How does that benefit anyone? Until we get to the 2018 elections there is no hope on the horizon. I'm not even sure if there is any hope in 2018.
I just saw some interviews on a Dallas television station. The Democrats interviewed,of course, think that this is utterly damning. The Trump voter that was interviewed saw nothing at all. He thinks his guy is doing great.
And that in a nutshell sums it all up.
Until there is a national consensus and it is bipartisan I don't think anything is going to happen.
As amazing as that seems.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and their own reputations are on the line? They can leave him there no matter what he does, but there's some point at which even they can't justify it.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)You are 100% correct ...
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)on water, then suddenly it's upended and down it goes in seconds. It happens to these bastards all the time, all over the world.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)Benedict Donald.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Don't you FUCKING DARE pardon this asshole, or you will be next on the impeachment list.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Lots of luck. Sure it has happened, and there may be overwhelming reasons why the original trial was flawed and produced the wrong verdict. That doesn't begin to threaten the uphill severity.
As always, I'm not impressed by outliers as opposed to the rule. There is an exponentially greater chance that Donald Trump serves 8 years as president than being impeached, at any point.
Obviously that won't win any popularity contests around here. Somebody has to be the handicapper and not the cheerleader. I've been reading all these winding high profile threads, like the one projecting Comey's impact in today's testimony based on some long ago exchange with somebody else. I had to laugh at the absurdity. That's simply trying too hard and failing to identify the big picture.
On sports forums I use the term Happy Adjuster. I take some heat for it. Happy Adjusters make something whatever they want it to be. Offseason football is priceless for Happy Adjusters. Instead of the bottom line reality of the season itself they can use stats or whatever to twist and turn any player into vastly underrated or vastly overrated. Hilarious. There are several guys who have seized the moment and realized there is a market for it, like a guy named Cian Fahey. He molds every player in the league. The suckers eat it up.
Then September rolls around. Whoops. What happened to those adjustments? Why is Brady still great and Tannehill still mediocre?
We have many more Septembers with Donald Trump in the White House. I'm not going to waste energy and stress pretending he'll resign or be adjusted out of office or manage anything other than one outrageous deceitful decision after another.
MiniMe
(21,714 posts)After hearing some of the repukes questions today, such as McCain, I don't think they have any desire to impeach no matter what the crook has done.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)With the prospects of 50 state voter ID passing mid next year that doesn't appear to be changing any time soon either.
Quiet_Dem_Mom
(599 posts)Not because of anything he did in office.
Cowards, the whole lot of 'em.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Trump will claim ignorance of the law as a defense. And his ignorant, law breaking base will buy it hook line and sinker.
kaotikross
(246 posts)Slick Donnie Moscow has been caught rasslin' a pig while nude on more than one occasion, but he's still welcome in the barn. You know he did it, I know he did it, hell, everybody knows he did it, but to get enough of the GOP to press hard enough to do anything about it is another thing entirely. It's party over Country for them now, and as long as they can look anywhere, on any forum and see that the rank and file "white middle American Christian" (racist) demographic is still behind Trump they will be too. Republicans are far, far too scared of being labeled something "unmanly" like "cuck", to let a little thing like the truth get in the way.
DFW
(54,369 posts)If it should come to the point where has SO damaged their brand that they fear that even all their cheating won't save their majorities in the House and Senate, THEN they will push him out of office--not before.
enid602
(8,616 posts)Well, I certainly hope tRump resigns before the school session starts. You know, for the Barron Von tRump's sake.
bresue
(1,007 posts)Determining time is what is unknown. I am 100% of his being impeached in 2018, if not sooner. Furthermore, his approval rating is already low...and there hasn't even been a big event. This is supposedly the honeymoon time...his approval rate should be much higher.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Every last one of this sordid lot should be impeached.
C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)October surprise
INdemo
(6,994 posts)leaking info to the NYT through a friend and that info about a conversation with the Don the Con could become inadmissible. (that is now their talking point)
Republicans like McCain, Graham, and McConnel all say there is no evidence of obstruction of justice.
let me say this if there were Republicans in the Senate as there were in 1973/74 this would already be over for Trump and all thise affiliated with his Russian treasonous action would be in jail.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)wanted to get the facts and were not trying to protect Nixon(that was my point).It took Republican Votes to Impeach Nixon but that is when Republicans Senators made that trip to the White House to inform Nixon that they had the votes for impeachment.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)began the hearings largely behind Nixon and opposed to impeachment. Gradually, as the drip-drip-drip of revelations continued, a few of the liberal Republicans (from the erstwhile Rockefeller wing) began to peel away from unconditional loyalty to Tricky Dick.
Only after SCOTUS ruled unanimously 9-0 that Tricky Dick had to surrender the tapes and the tapes corroborated Dean's allegations, did the dam burst and Nixon's Republican support on the Committee, in the House and in the Senate evaporate.
Nixon held out hope that, while he would be impeached in the House, he might escape conviction and removal in the Senate (the way Bill Clinton subsequently did). Barry Goldwater was delegated to inform Nixon that there were now sufficient votes for conviction and that Nixon would be removed if it went to trial in the Senate.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)would come forward and say .."Hell yes I asked the Russians to interfere"..."I wanted a guarantee so that's why I was happy to have them to Hijack Hillary's campaign" and "hell yes I asked Comey to drop the Russian investigation"
There would be a Majority of Republicans that would stand by Trump and say it didn't matter.The Republicans of today are Corporate Republicans and Corporations don't care because Donald Trump will give them more profits and they will be able to steal more from the middle class..That is why they want to keep Trump in there at all costs...If Putin was nominated to serve in his cabinet there would be Republicans that would vote for his confirmation...This is how I feel about today's Republicans.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Have the GOP legislators shown ANY bipartisanship at ALL? When you watch the things they do, hear the things they say, think about them at all, do you get the remotest sense of "country before all else?"
The only way it's going to happen is if he is a CLEAR and imminent danger to a sizable number of them, because I'm not even convinced they care much about the Republican brand.
I have a very strong feeling that a great number of them are willing to make this the GOP's last stand, if it comes to that. Get everything they possibly can for themselves and their masters and let the chips fall where they may.
I would love to be convinced otherwise.
doc03
(35,328 posts)Baconator
(1,459 posts)... and maybe not even then.
benld74
(9,904 posts)This is 2017
Not early '70s
Congress talked across aisle back then
Not today
God I hope so
catbyte
(34,376 posts)Democrats take the House & Senate. The Republicans will not do anything to 45* as long as they have the majority, and that is to their everlasting shame. They are excusing a foreign power--enemy, actually--interfering with the United States government merely because it was their guy the Russians were helping. I don't think that Democrats would act that way if the situation was reversed. I might be wrong, but I just don't think they'd choose party/power over country.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)Trump shows everyone that he's a reactive, inconsiderate, shoot-from-the-hip, lying, carnival barker huckster.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)But Trumpf? I can only hope you're right.
Hoping with all my might ...
Azathoth
(4,608 posts)The GOP isn't a political party, it's an extremist gang. They will cover up criminality right up until they are forced to stop.
Puzzler
(2,505 posts)... during a tweetstorm:
"Comey liar! Comey loser! Sad! So I lied nyah nyah UR it loser Cumfefe
joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)we know he is not as smart as Nixon.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that Trump would be the healthiest president ever!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)appearance has now caused Repukes to rally around Der Fuehrer. There is no line that Trump can cross that wlll cause Repukes to desert him. None.
Dreaming that constitutional processes are going to drive Trump from office is a fool's errand. We live in one-party state now and we had better work on developing extra-constituional methods of resistance if we are to survive.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...I will be thrilled.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)in office. The only available remedy is impeachment and, since the fascists control both houses of Congress, that seems about as likely as the sun rising in thke West.
Hence, "wishful thinking."
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Kablooie
(18,631 posts)But if he uses health or some other excuse to resign the investigation won't go away.
As Comey said, it's not about any one person.
It's about preserving the United States against a power that will continue to attack.
So the investigation has to continue to expose all the Russian tentacles and that includes Trump.
If Trump leaves the presidency he becomes exposed just like any other citizen and loses his ability to pardon others.
Would he be willing to do this?
Stuart G
(38,420 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)I've learned to take the "this is gonna be yuge!!" and "wait till the bombshell!" and "you won't believe what they're about to announce" threads with a gigantic cinderblock-size grain of salt.
But I sure hope you're right!!
sarcasmo
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Barack_America
(28,876 posts)And you keep telling yourself it will never happen, if that makes you feel better.
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Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I was a Bernie supporter who was lukewarm on Hillary.
I was curious of Comey's actions, but assumed they had some merit.
There's a search function here so you can check these things out before you make accusations.
sellitman
(11,606 posts)The GOP lead Congress will NEVER impeach Trump.
Never.
He is doing their bidding. Why would they? Don't tell me about elections. They control the voting machines. Why the fuck would they care about public opinion?
Anyone who thinks this is headed toward impeachment is dreaming.
berksdem
(595 posts)On Trump resigning or being impeached. Comey's testimony was a brilliant but this is not going to be the ultimate factor in the investigation. Wishful thinking but a step in the right direction.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...but what he appears to know.
We'll see.
berksdem
(595 posts)if the information is there, and I hope it is, I will be ecstatic. I also believe w/ the GOP in power it will be very tough to get him impeached unless there is a true bombshell report by Bob Muellar.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)while blaming his entire staff for everything.
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Pence is far more conservative than Trump, more respected by Congess, and completely squeaky clean.
He's also a friendly and likelable guy with higher approval numbers than anyone in Washington. He'd get reelected, twice, probably.
Do you really want 10 years (yes, 10) of an effective arch conservative in the White House?
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)niyad
(113,279 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)I do not care if he gets impeached I care if he has to leave office.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)Republican shitheads will defend him even in the face of obvious treason because they have no morals. None...
We have to take back congress in 2018
kairos12
(12,858 posts)Bromwell
(123 posts)It really does underline how out of touch these morAns are. And when the ax falls and they can't laugh it off anymore...they will believe EVEN MORE that there is some grand left wing media bias that brought the buffoon down. The 2 worlds (reality and Trump World) is the thing that, while I totally understand how it developed, I still just have so much trouble believing that it did. I truly thought people were smarter than this.
Cyrusvirus
(15 posts)and lose the election in 2020.
Comey confirmed Russia is ramping up its efforts for the upcoming ones, and you know damn well Republicans wouldn't mind a free ride into another term.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Do we really want that radical religious RWNJ repub pence in the White House? Do we really think the repubs in the House will do impeachment? They are still tripping over themselves to defend trump.