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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:02 PM Jun 2017

Donald Trump is going to be impeached...

...or forced to resign (place your bets!)

Comey's testimony made that very clear to me.

If there was one clear I mpression Comey made during this hearing, it was true respect for our governmental institutions (his success and impartiality in defending those institutions is another discussion).

But what is clear is his respect for them.

Given that respect, the way he so openly described the sitting President of the United States as a liar and untrustworthy was, frankly, shocking.

I just don't see that he would make such statements against the President if he did not fully expected him to be removed from that position. To do otherwise would be to besmirch the institution of the Presidency, and I just don't see Comey doing that.

Nope. Comey believes Trump is going down and, given the information he has access to, I have to believe that is exactly where this is heading.

Wow.

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Donald Trump is going to be impeached... (Original Post) Barack_America Jun 2017 OP
Great post, thanks! I agree! furtheradu Jun 2017 #1
His behavior makes me think so oxbow Jun 2017 #2
ummm...cause he's guilty and he knows it? barbtries Jun 2017 #4
His telltale heart is driving him mad oxbow Jun 2017 #9
It's not just that the Russians have something on him, leftieNanner Jun 2017 #17
Lordy? that's Comey's word Dream Girl Jun 2017 #18
And Comey is mispronouncing it. pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #57
Like this: volstork Jun 2017 #60
Respectfully disagree. pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #69
Funny ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #95
I thought it was Lordy because you were calling on the "Lord" Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #102
Not according to Merriam-Webster sammythecat Jun 2017 #106
Golden..... WinkyDink Jun 2017 #39
I've liked that story since middle school...how about an updated version with Trump? Dream Girl Jun 2017 #62
possibly Comey thinks that for the sake of the country trump needs to go down barbtries Jun 2017 #3
It may also have had something to do with the fact that the little bitch fired him while he was on politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2017 #64
Republicans are still displaying the "no big deal" attitude, so he isn't getting impeached. OliverQ Jun 2017 #5
Not yet. Republican Pres Trump is not yet toxic enough to Republican chances in 2018 & 2020. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #7
Wait for it... Fritz Walter Jun 2017 #38
as long as limbaugh keeps making excuses for him and dems ignore certainot Jun 2017 #47
The GOP is just as bad a Trump. Stonepounder Jun 2017 #63
Yep. The entire GOP is in on the money train... from Russia. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2017 #91
My fear is that all most Republicans care about is the economy and stock market... AntiFascist Jun 2017 #6
The number one thing all politicians care about MiddleClass Jun 2017 #15
And guns and Jesus and Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #33
They don't care about Jesus HopeAgain Jun 2017 #43
No, but they will use that as a means to many ends. Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #49
That's pretty much the definition of "Republican." WinkyDink Jun 2017 #41
ding ding ding - yep Locrian Jun 2017 #108
I am wondering if the Republicans in the yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #8
If they do, it will certainly be forced. Barack_America Jun 2017 #28
Comey knows a whole lot more than he said in the open hearing this morning. Grammy23 Jun 2017 #10
I suspect the Republicans are hiding their own deep corruption too lunatica Jun 2017 #16
You cant force him to resign and its unlikely he will be impeached as there just isnt any way cstanleytech Jun 2017 #11
IF dems win house, if not, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #12
Sadly, I think that's true. Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #35
This Cosmocat Jun 2017 #55
IF he is going to be impeached, it will be based on nothing Comey said in open testimony. jmg257 Jun 2017 #13
so, what would you call earth shattering? mdbl Jun 2017 #26
Right? The sitting American President does not care that we are being attacked... Barack_America Jun 2017 #32
Either way, it doesn't look good for him. Aristus Jun 2017 #14
I thought the testimony went well overall mvd Jun 2017 #19
I think he resigns... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #20
While I would love it for him to resign, Chrysanthemum Jun 2017 #93
Interesting. I've heard he doesn't know he's in trouble, Hortensis Jun 2017 #109
I agree completely whopis01 Jun 2017 #118
Not going to happen. GaYellowDawg Jun 2017 #21
I forgot a third option, criminal charges. Barack_America Jun 2017 #22
I didn't get that from his testimony. GaYellowDawg Jun 2017 #25
It grieves me to say that I agree. Kleveland Jun 2017 #30
He will resign in my opinion. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #46
The only way he leaves the Oval Office Cosmocat Jun 2017 #58
I agree...haha...I have no doubt he asked for loyalty. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #94
Yep Cosmocat Jun 2017 #56
And if a State Attorney General gets indictments in a serious criminal case pnwmom Jun 2017 #71
better happen soon bora13 Jun 2017 #23
other ways! AlexSFCA Jun 2017 #24
I disagree Moral Compass Jun 2017 #27
Could there be a point where it is too much treestar Jun 2017 #54
Yep Cosmocat Jun 2017 #59
I'd have to agree, it's like a sinking ship. It can look "OK" for pretty long while it's taking The_Casual_Observer Jun 2017 #29
We already have obstruction of justice with Trumpf rockfordfile Jun 2017 #31
Senate should already be talking to Pence Xipe Totec Jun 2017 #34
Impeachment is like trying to win a jury verdict on appeal Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #36
The republicans have to have the desire to impeach MiniMe Jun 2017 #37
Republicans will not vote to impeach while they hold either the House or Senate. briv1016 Jun 2017 #40
IF it happens, it'll be because the Trump Brand is going to drag Rs down in elections. Quiet_Dem_Mom Jun 2017 #42
I agree. Trump will resign and Pence will pardon everyone. McCamy Taylor Jun 2017 #44
I dunno... kaotikross Jun 2017 #45
He only goes under one condition DFW Jun 2017 #48
School enid602 Jun 2017 #50
He definitely will not last 4 years. bresue Jun 2017 #51
Nothing would make me happier. warmfeet Jun 2017 #52
I can't see him lasting the year C_U_L8R Jun 2017 #53
Yes but now I heard on two networks that actually Comey broke the law by INdemo Jun 2017 #61
Dems controlled the House and Senate in 1973 and 74 - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #79
Yes I know that but during the hearing the Republicans INdemo Jun 2017 #92
I watched and listened to almost every minute of those impeachment hearings. IIRC, Republicans KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #99
I didnt list all the details (forgot about the SCOTUS thing) like you did but today if Trump INdemo Jun 2017 #100
I'm sorry. As much as I want this outcome - BIG:Y - I don't think it's going to happen. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2017 #65
I don't think so as long as the Republicons hold the congress.... nt doc03 Jun 2017 #66
Not until 2018 at least... Baconator Jun 2017 #67
Soon as he fired Comey, but,, benld74 Jun 2017 #68
I disagree. While there's ample evidence to justify impeachment, it isn't going to happen unless catbyte Jun 2017 #70
Comey showed everyone how a professional conducts himself. Ilsa Jun 2017 #72
Not at 34%. When he hits 30 and below then yes. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2017 #73
This SHOULD signal the beginning of the end. For anyone else, it would. SusanaMontana41 Jun 2017 #74
Not until 2019 at the earliest Azathoth Jun 2017 #75
Cue: "Twitter Trump incriminating himself tonight ... Puzzler Jun 2017 #76
IF tRump was smart he would resign before this goes further, but.... joanbarnes Jun 2017 #77
I think he's going to resign for "health reasons" nt maryellen99 Jun 2017 #78
but his "doctor" assured us NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #116
This OP is a perfect example of wishful thinking run amok. If anything, Comey's KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #80
If the GOP stands by him as criminal charges come down... Barack_America Jun 2017 #83
Presidents cannot be charged criminally for acts committed while KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #98
Shit changes. We've never had a blatant traitor as our President. Barack_America Jun 2017 #120
He won't be impeached by Republicans but he might slip away under some other pretense. Kablooie Jun 2017 #81
Yes..nt Stuart G Jun 2017 #82
So was Bush...according to approximately 1,000 DU threads over an 8 year period... MadDAsHell Jun 2017 #84
Kick. sarcasmo Jun 2017 #85
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #86
Thanks for visiting! Barack_America Jun 2017 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #89
Um, no. Barack_America Jun 2017 #90
I disagree sellitman Jun 2017 #87
Don't hold your breath berksdem Jun 2017 #96
My conclusion is not based on what he said... Barack_America Jun 2017 #97
all up to Bob M at this time... berksdem Jun 2017 #104
drumpf will be removed from office kicking, screaming and tweeting in denial democratisphere Jun 2017 #101
He'll die first. GeorgeGist Jun 2017 #103
Do you want President Pence? MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #105
Worse than watergate IronLionZion Jun 2017 #107
impeached with a repuke majority in the house and senate? you are far more optimistic than I. niyad Jun 2017 #110
Well, cant you be impeached but not have to leave office? Doreen Jun 2017 #111
Trump will only be impeached if Democrats get a majority in the House. Nitram Jun 2017 #112
Wish it were true but the jimlup Jun 2017 #113
Not with this Congress. They need a stupid auto-pen. kairos12 Jun 2017 #114
But the deplorable rubes are laughing it up saying the testimony was a fail, a big "Nothing Burger" Bromwell Jun 2017 #115
I'm calling it, Democrats will lose seats in 2018 Cyrusvirus Jun 2017 #117
Questions DownriverDem Jun 2017 #119

oxbow

(2,034 posts)
2. His behavior makes me think so
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:21 PM
Jun 2017

If he is so sure that he is not under investigation, then why does it seem like he is fighting for his life? All hands are on deck for this situation...there's no reason him to be in fight or flight mode if it's just a Manafort or a Flynn with their heads on the chopping block.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
4. ummm...cause he's guilty and he knows it?
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:25 PM
Jun 2017

clearly he's been digging like crazy trying to see what they've got on him. that betrays a consciousness of guilt in my opinion, he can say he didn't do anything all he wants but there must be something there or he would not be so paranoid.

why didn't he fire flynn for so long after yates told him how compromised flynn was? just as an example - because he already knew it before she did? because flynn was compromised on trump's marching orders? just spitballin'

oxbow

(2,034 posts)
9. His telltale heart is driving him mad
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:38 PM
Jun 2017

Multiple news reports say he is singlemindedly consumed with the Russia investigation. Lordy knows he wouldn't lose sleep over having to throw a few underlings under the bus; the logical conclusion is that he feels personally compromised by something having to do with Russia.

leftieNanner

(15,084 posts)
17. It's not just that the Russians have something on him,
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jun 2017

I believe that if he leaves the White House for any reason, his life and livelihood are forfeited. They have him by the proverbial nuts and they aren't afraid to squeeze. 45 has an assignment from Putin.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
69. Respectfully disagree.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:28 PM
Jun 2017

Good job on reconstituting the spelling, but the accent belongs on the first syllable.

Edited to add: Think of 'mercy, mercy, mercy'.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
102. I thought it was Lordy because you were calling on the "Lord"
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:26 AM
Jun 2017

Is this one of those things you've thought wrong all your life?

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
3. possibly Comey thinks that for the sake of the country trump needs to go down
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:22 PM
Jun 2017

so he took advantage of his special position to tip history in the right direction.

plus i read somewhere that Comey said once at the end of the day all i will have is my family and my reputation. i'm thinking it might have been a mistake for trump to fire him. hehehe

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
64. It may also have had something to do with the fact that the little bitch fired him while he was on
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:12 PM
Jun 2017

a business trip in LA and he had to learn about it on TV. How humiliating!!! I think even a boy scout and saint like Comey can hold a grudge for something like that, and deservedly so.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
38. Wait for it...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:28 PM
Jun 2017

As long as he toes the line... repealing ACA, gutting the EPA, giving banks and investment companies the legislative breaks they've been praying -- and paying for (via lobbying and stupor-PACs), they won't even consider removing 45.

But that doesn't mean that they aren't ready to jettison this stinky turd 💩 if their highly-paid campaign consultants tell them that their re-election in 2018 is in jeopardy. In the meantime, they'll continue their "dialing for dollars" efforts directed at the base of deplorables.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
47. as long as limbaugh keeps making excuses for him and dems ignore
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:46 PM
Jun 2017

talk radio he's going to be able to keep the troops in line, barring something major.

GOP establishment know they don't have shit with pence or ryan because they can't keep the base. if trump looks really bad they'll just use it to blackmail him.

there are no republican reps left with any integrity or backbone and as long as limbaugh keeps taking that putin money there will be plenty of rationalizations and denial for the base to choose from.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
63. The GOP is just as bad a Trump.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:12 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:15 PM - Edit history (1)

They want to destroy our Constitutional Democracy and replace it with an Oligarchy. Trump is their idol because he screws over anyone he can whenever he can. They want a one-party system (even if that means leaving the Dems as a permanent minority to keep up appearances). They want a serfdom, where when you can no longer work you go die and if you can't afford to buy food because there is no work, they starve, since you can't do anything to make them richer.

The word 'treason' doesn't even come close to these truly evil persons.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
6. My fear is that all most Republicans care about is the economy and stock market...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jun 2017

as long as the stock market is doing ok then there will be little political pressure on them to do anything about Trump.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
15. The number one thing all politicians care about
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:50 PM
Jun 2017

Reelection, until that's in danger. There's no impeachment.

And when there is impeachment, it will be too late for most of them

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
108. ding ding ding - yep
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:24 PM
Jun 2017

Remember ALL is theater.

If deals can be made - power can be levered - that's all that matters.
Nobody is working for 'truth and justice' for the 'American people'. It's whatever benefits those in charge with power.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
28. If they do, it will certainly be forced.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:11 PM
Jun 2017

However it occurs (if it does) may it consume and destroy that party.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
10. Comey knows a whole lot more than he said in the open hearing this morning.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:40 PM
Jun 2017

He alluded to more that he could not say in the open and presumably he spilled a bunch more to the Senators this afternoon. It was a short session according to Susan Collins but he could have revealed a lot even in a short time. Let's hope that he did and the congressmen who were there will take the ball and run with it.

Mueller will, no doubt, be toiling away on this investigation and I just hope it doesn't stretch out into YEARS of inquiry. I am afraid for this country if that happens. The longer tRump is in office, the more the danger festers and grows. He is a poison that has contaminated our country and invaded the highest office in the land. I can't believe that the people in DC who know way more than we do are just nibbling around the edges of this issue. This is not a minor thing that can or should be allowed to continue. Impeachment must begin. NOW! There is probably enough known to proceed with that. The Russian investigation can continue, too. But tRump must go. What good does it do to drag this out if the country is destroyed when we get around to dealing with what is destroying us?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
16. I suspect the Republicans are hiding their own deep corruption too
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:51 PM
Jun 2017

If they stonewall the investigations maybe it will saves their useless skin. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were truly corrupt in jail time ways.

cstanleytech

(26,290 posts)
11. You cant force him to resign and its unlikely he will be impeached as there just isnt any way
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:43 PM
Jun 2017

for the Democrats to get the number of seats they would need in the Senate before 2020, they could do it with the House but not the Senate.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
35. Sadly, I think that's true.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:21 PM
Jun 2017

Too many of them are involved in this mess. Not one republican will vote for impeachment.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
55. This
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:03 PM
Jun 2017

You just aren't tuned in correctly if you think an R controlled House would even put article's up ...

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
13. IF he is going to be impeached, it will be based on nothing Comey said in open testimony.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:46 PM
Jun 2017

Maybe there are some secrets he revealed in closed session, but once again trump skates away for another day.

COmey can respect the office, and not the man - obvious he was not going to hold back e:trump, no matter what office he holds or not.

By May 9th trump was STILL not being personally investigated - something earth-shattering has got to go down, or come out

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
26. so, what would you call earth shattering?
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:07 PM
Jun 2017

this shit is so heinous, and everyone keeps acting like it's no big deal.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
32. Right? The sitting American President does not care that we are being attacked...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jun 2017

...and undermined by a foreign enemy.

What the hell could be more earth-shattering than that?

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
14. Either way, it doesn't look good for him.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:48 PM
Jun 2017

If he is impeached, the only sentence is removal from office. But that wouldn't indeminify him from a criminal trial. Which he would also have to face if he resigned.

If he rolled over on Pence, or any other high officials, could he cut a deal for immunity?

mvd

(65,173 posts)
19. I thought the testimony went well overall
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:55 PM
Jun 2017

Did I want more? Yes. But there were these main points:

- Trump can not be trusted - that is huge
- Obstruction of justice
- Trump felt Comey should be his personal servent

And remember, it's the small fish that get caught first. He never exonerated Trump for collusion.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
20. I think he resigns...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 05:58 PM
Jun 2017

as soon as he finds a way to do it in a manner that doesn't seem like a real resignation so he can leave the WH in a parade of triumph...

Chrysanthemum

(188 posts)
93. While I would love it for him to resign,
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 11:53 PM
Jun 2017

he would put himself in serious legal jeopardy by doing so. As president, he cannot be indicted. But once he's just Citizen Trump, he's fair game for any grand jury.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
109. Interesting. I've heard he doesn't know he's in trouble,
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jun 2017

that his ego and bubble are so complete that he believes he will not only serve out this term but is already planning on a second. People around him tell him what he wants to hear.

This reminds me, reportedly there's real danger in advising him what not to say because when they have that's often the first thing out of his mouth next time.

Welcome to DU, Chrysanthemum. Like your name.

whopis01

(3,511 posts)
118. I agree completely
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jun 2017

I think he might even be looking for that excuse already. I sincerely doubt that he likes this job. He is used to be able to do things in a private boardroom and set his own schedule for things. I believe if he finds a good out he will take it.

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
21. Not going to happen.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:00 PM
Jun 2017

There was impeachment talk for years during W's administration and it never came close. It will never come close now. The very, very worst outcome that will happen will be censure. Republicans will never impeach a Republican. Never.

Everyone reading this needs to realize this. Don't get your hopes up. You simply cannot count on Republicans to do what's right for the country at the cost of the party. It is exactly the opposite of the soul of their party. They put party so far ahead of country that country isn't even on their radar. Republicans will never impeach Donald Trump. There will be no punishment for him, or Pence, or Sessions. No one in the Trump administration who isn't specifically let go as a fall guy will be punished.

There will be no impeachment. In my opinion, hope is foolish and this is all wasted energy. The only way to set things right is to somehow win rigged elections, and I'm losing a lot of faith that that's possible, either.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
22. I forgot a third option, criminal charges.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:02 PM
Jun 2017

Clearly Comey thinks something is coming down that will force Trump's removal from office.

That is my opinion.

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
25. I didn't get that from his testimony.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:05 PM
Jun 2017

I think he feels that Trump is a waste of space as a human being, and is pissed off about his firing. But I didn't get any kind of impression that Comey thinks something is coming down. That said, you could be right. But I'll point out that if someone like Comey who is basically honest and seems to believe in America thinks that something is coming down, that doesn't mean that impeachment or criminal charges are coming. I think that no matter what comes down, the Republican congress will simply shrug it off.

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
30. It grieves me to say that I agree.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:13 PM
Jun 2017

I will believe that he is impeached when I see it happen.

And just as a sobering reminder, impeachment is not removal. It is only part one, sort of like an arraignment.

Resignation?

I can't really see that either, unless he leaves feet first, or thinks it will be enormously profitable, 'cause he is that shallow of a scum bastard toad.

As physically fit as he seems to be, feet first may be more likely.

It is very stressful, and it makes me sad to the depths of my being that this country is in such a state as this.

I would love to be wrong, please make me wrong, oh Lord please!

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
46. He will resign in my opinion.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:45 PM
Jun 2017

And there is no point of impeaching if you can't convict in the Senate...however, if the GOP decides he has to go...the votes are there. Welcome to DU...the sky is not falling...another way to stop Trump cold is by winning the Senate and the House...both would be nice but one would work too

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
58. The only way he leaves the Oval Office
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:06 PM
Jun 2017

Would be along the lines of the final scene by Pacino in Scarface.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
94. I agree...haha...I have no doubt he asked for loyalty.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 07:59 AM
Jun 2017

He doesn't want to be president of a Democracy, he wants to be a kink or a dictator like Putin...Comey should hire a bodyguard.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
71. And if a State Attorney General gets indictments in a serious criminal case
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:38 PM
Jun 2017

and either names DT as an unindicted co-conspirator, or even indicts him (Laurence Tribe says that is legally possible) - are you so sure Congress would never push him out?

Here is why hope is NOT foolish and this is NOT wasted energy: we need to keep up the drumbeat against DT. The more the public puts pressure on Congress, the more it will increase the chance that they toss him overboard -- or they will get tossed overboard themselves in 2018.

I don't see why you think it is helpful to tell people to give up -- which is what you are doing. That serves only DT and the Rethugs. Democrats have to keep fighting, and fighting hard.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
24. other ways!
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:04 PM
Jun 2017

aren' there other ways of removal due to medical condition which results in inability to govern? This won't require congress?

If he is not removed, a violent fascism regime is unavoidable. Libel laws, imprisonment of leakers and reporters who publish them, same with non-loyal government officials, etc.

The county is beyond divided, it's broken beyond repair after this testimony. No competent person will work in trumps administration unless they have an alterior motive of exposing him.

Moral Compass

(1,519 posts)
27. I disagree
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:07 PM
Jun 2017

I do not believe that Trump will be impeached. I'm certain of that.

Impeachment is a political not a criminal process. Even if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump is guilty of it all including collusion and even treason his party will not impeach him. And they have the votes.

The Republicans will not allow articles of impeachment to come to the House floor.

I'm not even certain at this point if impeachment is it in our best interest… I'm certainly not convinced it is in the interest of the country.

There is no mechanism that is defined by the Constitution that allows for a wholesale replacement of an entire government. And that is what we need. If Trump goes then we get Pence. If Pence goes then we get Ryan. If Ryan goes I think it goes to Orrin Hatch.

How does that benefit anyone? Until we get to the 2018 elections there is no hope on the horizon. I'm not even sure if there is any hope in 2018.

I just saw some interviews on a Dallas television station. The Democrats interviewed,of course, think that this is utterly damning. The Trump voter that was interviewed saw nothing at all. He thinks his guy is doing great.

And that in a nutshell sums it all up.

Until there is a national consensus and it is bipartisan I don't think anything is going to happen.

As amazing as that seems.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
54. Could there be a point where it is too much
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:53 PM
Jun 2017

and their own reputations are on the line? They can leave him there no matter what he does, but there's some point at which even they can't justify it.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
29. I'd have to agree, it's like a sinking ship. It can look "OK" for pretty long while it's taking
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:11 PM
Jun 2017

on water, then suddenly it's upended and down it goes in seconds. It happens to these bastards all the time, all over the world.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
34. Senate should already be talking to Pence
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:20 PM
Jun 2017

Don't you FUCKING DARE pardon this asshole, or you will be next on the impeachment list.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
36. Impeachment is like trying to win a jury verdict on appeal
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jun 2017

Lots of luck. Sure it has happened, and there may be overwhelming reasons why the original trial was flawed and produced the wrong verdict. That doesn't begin to threaten the uphill severity.

As always, I'm not impressed by outliers as opposed to the rule. There is an exponentially greater chance that Donald Trump serves 8 years as president than being impeached, at any point.

Obviously that won't win any popularity contests around here. Somebody has to be the handicapper and not the cheerleader. I've been reading all these winding high profile threads, like the one projecting Comey's impact in today's testimony based on some long ago exchange with somebody else. I had to laugh at the absurdity. That's simply trying too hard and failing to identify the big picture.

On sports forums I use the term Happy Adjuster. I take some heat for it. Happy Adjusters make something whatever they want it to be. Offseason football is priceless for Happy Adjusters. Instead of the bottom line reality of the season itself they can use stats or whatever to twist and turn any player into vastly underrated or vastly overrated. Hilarious. There are several guys who have seized the moment and realized there is a market for it, like a guy named Cian Fahey. He molds every player in the league. The suckers eat it up.

Then September rolls around. Whoops. What happened to those adjustments? Why is Brady still great and Tannehill still mediocre?

We have many more Septembers with Donald Trump in the White House. I'm not going to waste energy and stress pretending he'll resign or be adjusted out of office or manage anything other than one outrageous deceitful decision after another.

MiniMe

(21,714 posts)
37. The republicans have to have the desire to impeach
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jun 2017

After hearing some of the repukes questions today, such as McCain, I don't think they have any desire to impeach no matter what the crook has done.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
40. Republicans will not vote to impeach while they hold either the House or Senate.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

With the prospects of 50 state voter ID passing mid next year that doesn't appear to be changing any time soon either.

Quiet_Dem_Mom

(599 posts)
42. IF it happens, it'll be because the Trump Brand is going to drag Rs down in elections.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:32 PM
Jun 2017

Not because of anything he did in office.

Cowards, the whole lot of 'em.




McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
44. I agree. Trump will resign and Pence will pardon everyone.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jun 2017

Trump will claim ignorance of the law as a defense. And his ignorant, law breaking base will buy it hook line and sinker.

kaotikross

(246 posts)
45. I dunno...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:45 PM
Jun 2017

Slick Donnie Moscow has been caught rasslin' a pig while nude on more than one occasion, but he's still welcome in the barn. You know he did it, I know he did it, hell, everybody knows he did it, but to get enough of the GOP to press hard enough to do anything about it is another thing entirely. It's party over Country for them now, and as long as they can look anywhere, on any forum and see that the rank and file "white middle American Christian" (racist) demographic is still behind Trump they will be too. Republicans are far, far too scared of being labeled something "unmanly" like "cuck", to let a little thing like the truth get in the way.

DFW

(54,369 posts)
48. He only goes under one condition
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jun 2017

If it should come to the point where has SO damaged their brand that they fear that even all their cheating won't save their majorities in the House and Senate, THEN they will push him out of office--not before.

enid602

(8,616 posts)
50. School
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jun 2017

Well, I certainly hope tRump resigns before the school session starts. You know, for the Barron Von tRump's sake.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
51. He definitely will not last 4 years.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:50 PM
Jun 2017

Determining time is what is unknown. I am 100% of his being impeached in 2018, if not sooner. Furthermore, his approval rating is already low...and there hasn't even been a big event. This is supposedly the honeymoon time...his approval rate should be much higher.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
61. Yes but now I heard on two networks that actually Comey broke the law by
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:10 PM
Jun 2017

leaking info to the NYT through a friend and that info about a conversation with the Don the Con could become inadmissible. (that is now their talking point)
Republicans like McCain, Graham, and McConnel all say there is no evidence of obstruction of justice.
let me say this if there were Republicans in the Senate as there were in 1973/74 this would already be over for Trump and all thise affiliated with his Russian treasonous action would be in jail.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
92. Yes I know that but during the hearing the Republicans
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 11:03 PM
Jun 2017

wanted to get the facts and were not trying to protect Nixon(that was my point).It took Republican Votes to Impeach Nixon but that is when Republicans Senators made that trip to the White House to inform Nixon that they had the votes for impeachment.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
99. I watched and listened to almost every minute of those impeachment hearings. IIRC, Republicans
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 09:04 AM
Jun 2017

began the hearings largely behind Nixon and opposed to impeachment. Gradually, as the drip-drip-drip of revelations continued, a few of the liberal Republicans (from the erstwhile Rockefeller wing) began to peel away from unconditional loyalty to Tricky Dick.

Only after SCOTUS ruled unanimously 9-0 that Tricky Dick had to surrender the tapes and the tapes corroborated Dean's allegations, did the dam burst and Nixon's Republican support on the Committee, in the House and in the Senate evaporate.

Nixon held out hope that, while he would be impeached in the House, he might escape conviction and removal in the Senate (the way Bill Clinton subsequently did). Barry Goldwater was delegated to inform Nixon that there were now sufficient votes for conviction and that Nixon would be removed if it went to trial in the Senate.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
100. I didnt list all the details (forgot about the SCOTUS thing) like you did but today if Trump
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:01 AM
Jun 2017

would come forward and say .."Hell yes I asked the Russians to interfere"..."I wanted a guarantee so that's why I was happy to have them to Hijack Hillary's campaign" and "hell yes I asked Comey to drop the Russian investigation"
There would be a Majority of Republicans that would stand by Trump and say it didn't matter.The Republicans of today are Corporate Republicans and Corporations don't care because Donald Trump will give them more profits and they will be able to steal more from the middle class..That is why they want to keep Trump in there at all costs...If Putin was nominated to serve in his cabinet there would be Republicans that would vote for his confirmation...This is how I feel about today's Republicans.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
65. I'm sorry. As much as I want this outcome - BIG:Y - I don't think it's going to happen.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jun 2017

Have the GOP legislators shown ANY bipartisanship at ALL? When you watch the things they do, hear the things they say, think about them at all, do you get the remotest sense of "country before all else?"

The only way it's going to happen is if he is a CLEAR and imminent danger to a sizable number of them, because I'm not even convinced they care much about the Republican brand.

I have a very strong feeling that a great number of them are willing to make this the GOP's last stand, if it comes to that. Get everything they possibly can for themselves and their masters and let the chips fall where they may.

I would love to be convinced otherwise.

benld74

(9,904 posts)
68. Soon as he fired Comey, but,,
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jun 2017

This is 2017
Not early '70s
Congress talked across aisle back then
Not today

God I hope so

catbyte

(34,376 posts)
70. I disagree. While there's ample evidence to justify impeachment, it isn't going to happen unless
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:38 PM
Jun 2017

Democrats take the House & Senate. The Republicans will not do anything to 45* as long as they have the majority, and that is to their everlasting shame. They are excusing a foreign power--enemy, actually--interfering with the United States government merely because it was their guy the Russians were helping. I don't think that Democrats would act that way if the situation was reversed. I might be wrong, but I just don't think they'd choose party/power over country.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
72. Comey showed everyone how a professional conducts himself.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:39 PM
Jun 2017

Trump shows everyone that he's a reactive, inconsiderate, shoot-from-the-hip, lying, carnival barker huckster.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
74. This SHOULD signal the beginning of the end. For anyone else, it would.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:55 PM
Jun 2017

But Trumpf? I can only hope you're right.

Hoping with all my might ...

Azathoth

(4,608 posts)
75. Not until 2019 at the earliest
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:56 PM
Jun 2017

The GOP isn't a political party, it's an extremist gang. They will cover up criminality right up until they are forced to stop.

Puzzler

(2,505 posts)
76. Cue: "Twitter Trump incriminating himself tonight ...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:03 PM
Jun 2017

... during a tweetstorm:


"Comey liar! Comey loser! Sad! So I lied nyah nyah UR it loser Cumfefe

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
80. This OP is a perfect example of wishful thinking run amok. If anything, Comey's
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jun 2017

appearance has now caused Repukes to rally around Der Fuehrer. There is no line that Trump can cross that wlll cause Repukes to desert him. None.

Dreaming that constitutional processes are going to drive Trump from office is a fool's errand. We live in one-party state now and we had better work on developing extra-constituional methods of resistance if we are to survive.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
98. Presidents cannot be charged criminally for acts committed while
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 08:53 AM
Jun 2017

in office. The only available remedy is impeachment and, since the fascists control both houses of Congress, that seems about as likely as the sun rising in thke West.

Hence, "wishful thinking."

Kablooie

(18,631 posts)
81. He won't be impeached by Republicans but he might slip away under some other pretense.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:25 PM
Jun 2017

But if he uses health or some other excuse to resign the investigation won't go away.
As Comey said, it's not about any one person.
It's about preserving the United States against a power that will continue to attack.
So the investigation has to continue to expose all the Russian tentacles and that includes Trump.

If Trump leaves the presidency he becomes exposed just like any other citizen and loses his ability to pardon others.
Would he be willing to do this?

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
84. So was Bush...according to approximately 1,000 DU threads over an 8 year period...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:35 PM
Jun 2017

I've learned to take the "this is gonna be yuge!!" and "wait till the bombshell!" and "you won't believe what they're about to announce" threads with a gigantic cinderblock-size grain of salt.

But I sure hope you're right!!

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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
90. Um, no.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:02 PM
Jun 2017

I was a Bernie supporter who was lukewarm on Hillary.

I was curious of Comey's actions, but assumed they had some merit.

There's a search function here so you can check these things out before you make accusations.

sellitman

(11,606 posts)
87. I disagree
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jun 2017

The GOP lead Congress will NEVER impeach Trump.

Never.

He is doing their bidding. Why would they? Don't tell me about elections. They control the voting machines. Why the fuck would they care about public opinion?

Anyone who thinks this is headed toward impeachment is dreaming.

berksdem

(595 posts)
96. Don't hold your breath
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 08:21 AM
Jun 2017

On Trump resigning or being impeached. Comey's testimony was a brilliant but this is not going to be the ultimate factor in the investigation. Wishful thinking but a step in the right direction.

berksdem

(595 posts)
104. all up to Bob M at this time...
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:41 AM
Jun 2017

if the information is there, and I hope it is, I will be ecstatic. I also believe w/ the GOP in power it will be very tough to get him impeached unless there is a true bombshell report by Bob Muellar.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
101. drumpf will be removed from office kicking, screaming and tweeting in denial
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jun 2017

while blaming his entire staff for everything.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
105. Do you want President Pence?
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 11:38 AM
Jun 2017

Pence is far more conservative than Trump, more respected by Congess, and completely squeaky clean.

He's also a friendly and likelable guy with higher approval numbers than anyone in Washington. He'd get reelected, twice, probably.

Do you really want 10 years (yes, 10) of an effective arch conservative in the White House?

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
111. Well, cant you be impeached but not have to leave office?
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jun 2017

I do not care if he gets impeached I care if he has to leave office.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
113. Wish it were true but the
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jun 2017

Republican shitheads will defend him even in the face of obvious treason because they have no morals. None...

We have to take back congress in 2018

Bromwell

(123 posts)
115. But the deplorable rubes are laughing it up saying the testimony was a fail, a big "Nothing Burger"
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jun 2017

It really does underline how out of touch these morAns are. And when the ax falls and they can't laugh it off anymore...they will believe EVEN MORE that there is some grand left wing media bias that brought the buffoon down. The 2 worlds (reality and Trump World) is the thing that, while I totally understand how it developed, I still just have so much trouble believing that it did. I truly thought people were smarter than this.

 

Cyrusvirus

(15 posts)
117. I'm calling it, Democrats will lose seats in 2018
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jun 2017

and lose the election in 2020.

Comey confirmed Russia is ramping up its efforts for the upcoming ones, and you know damn well Republicans wouldn't mind a free ride into another term.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
119. Questions
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jun 2017

Do we really want that radical religious RWNJ repub pence in the White House? Do we really think the repubs in the House will do impeachment? They are still tripping over themselves to defend trump.

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