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A little background. Over the 4th I went to visit some family. We all had a great time. It was really hot and we were all outside and I do not do very well in extreme heat. I spent about 3 hours visiting with family and catching up. I know most my family are conservative,although there a few liberals in the family. Heard a couple cousins ranting about Obamacare. I just walked away. Now, everyone there knows my political leanings and well, they just could not resist. Cousin walks over and starts ranting about Obamacare LOUDLY. He was not directing it to me but really wanted me to hear him. This cousin and I are about the same age and we email each other from time to time. Usually it's over stuff we have in common like Family Guy or we talk an episode of FRINGE or BOARDWALK EMPIRE. We avoid politics. It was really hot and I was tired and just not in the mood.I said a few things to him, he interrupted and shouted over me and when I just walked away he declared victory and said something like, "And thats How you Defeat a Liberal!" I was just annoyed and too hot but was surprised because he is usually not this aggressive. I left about 20 minutes later.
This morning I got this email from him. Not sure if I want to respond. The subject read Read and Learn! No text, just this picture. I am pissed off but at the same time any response won't do any good and I am just sick of arguing with those who have no common sense. Isn't this picture everything America is not?
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)It really did upset me and not because of it bashing Obama. English only. God Only. Drug tests for those on Welfare. These were the things that disturbed me. They are so angry. This cousin was very angry with the SCOTUS and CJ Roberts. Apparently, he has not gotten over it yet.
DCKit
(18,541 posts)He's lost his shit over things none of us have control over, and he's going to remain angry for forever over shit he can't control.
I've extended an olive branch to the Teahadii in my family, told them I want to be friends again. It's up to them to accept it. In the meantime, my stress level has gone to zero. I'm not going to pay attention to the BS from here on out. I'm just not going to play anymore.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)But, my family has learned DO NOT TRASH OBAMA in my presence. They have learned the hard way. All of the conservatives only know talking point. I know some facts, I make their heads spin. They have decided to bite their tongues rather than have their talking points shot down.
If we were in doors I would have been more in the mood to counter his comments. Or if it had been cooler outside. I am not great at debating but this cousin really is an idiot and I have really torn in to him in the past. I am so tempted to respond but I think he will become angrier if I just ignore it. My friend said I should tell him, "No, I never got it.Send it again" and just keep telling him I never got it but I am dying to see it. Have him send it over and over and keep telling him I'm not seeing it. This will really drive him nuts until he just gets tired.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)Back in October I posted a pic of a bumper sticker on Facebook. "Republicans: Keeping millions our of work to get one man out of a job."
A friend replied asking why I supported Obama.
I explained I do support Obama, but it was aimed at the Congress.
He replied with a list of 22 questions/statements, as to why he did not like Obama. I think he assumed I would ignore him, couldn't answer or my answer would be screw you, but I don't think he expected real answers.
I copied his statements to a Word Document, changed his words to red and added spaces and started answering each and every question or statement. It took 22 pages once I also evaluated the Republicans running for the nomination. To big to send on Facebook I had to send it by email.
He replied back that I had more time than he did and he would TRY to respond.
He still hasn't yet he has had enough time to make one reply each week and still take off for the holidays.
He had no intent of a real debate, nor did he have any facts behind his talking points.
For me I couldn't let the email go without a real detailed reply. But, then again in my family I am the asshole.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)hitting the "reply" button when replying, "Please send again, I never got this!"
And after about the 20th time, reply, "Genius, How could a reply 20 times to something I didn't get? This is why you can't defeat a nut job ... they never learn!"
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)posted "where is lee harvey when you need him?" on facebook. Within his own circle he is a very good hearted man. But he has the most twisted, messed up opinions about politics!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ZERO excuse for their stupidity. They can fact check as easily as we can.
The problem is that a lot of them only use their computer for porn or shopping. (like airline fares or pizza delivery)
When you show them something online they act like it can't be real because "they wouldn't let FOX "News" lie like you claim."
Who's "they"? The government?
Can you IMAGE the reaction if FOX "News" had it's broadcasting license pulled for its lies?
That's why they got a ruling that they could lie.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Tell the dittohead to send all his $$$ to Limbaugh, who cares so much about him.
yewberry
(6,530 posts)Please consider responding to his email with a request for him to refrain from sending you this kind of nonsense.
It's fine for us to disagree, but this kind of chest-beating, zero-content garbage doesn't add to the dialogue and illustrates that he doesn't grasp the issues in any kind of meaningful way.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)You should just deliberately ignore him. I'll bet you he hates being dismissed by being ignored. Say absolutely nothing and let him stew in his rage.
And if he asks you about it say something dismissive like, "Oh that. I just deleted it."
See, I'm convinced that one of the reasons they get in such a rage about Obama is because he ignores them. He acts like they simply aren't there. They're reaction has been to get louder, angrier, more aggressive and to go too far because as long as he ignores them he's winning.
At the gathering your cousin was obviously trying to get a reaction out of you. You walked away and he followed you and spoke loudly so you would hear what he was saying. Then when you left after a few words he just couldn't let it go so he sent you something he knows you'll dislike. Some good old fashioned passive aggressive dismissive action from you will serve him right.
Just refuse to engage and he can't do a thing about it.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)"Refuse to engage" - exactly right.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Is to look through them and say, "ah ha, that's nice ... can I get you something?" and then turn immediately to, and engage, the youngest person within hearing shot.
lamp_shade
(14,834 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)no response.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Oh, and their message too.
Regarding No. 9, we all want that! Orgasms for everybody is a bipartisan issue.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)She's always harping on how the liberal media is going to give Obama the election and stuff like that. I only talk politics with my mom, because she is a staunchly Democratic supporter. My dad is a Republican and doesn't think blacks or women should be in power.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)If it was, hit "reply all" and embarrass him.
My cousin did that to her sister who sent an anti-Obama email to all of us. My cousin took the high ground, though, and explained in her reply how such emails were not productive and so forth. I have yet to get another right wing email from that cousin.
romantico
(5,062 posts)No. Just me.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)on FB too. Or maybe he unfriended me, I don't know.
But I do know, I will not put up with folks who put forth this type of crap. You do what you want, but I don't waste time on folks like this. I live in WI, and believe me, there are a lot of folks who are basically 'dead' to me over our political situation. I know, I know, I should be more forgiving. That's why I don't run for office, I can't be that nice.
God back in America? I'm sure he's shaking his head over this use of His name.
rocktivity
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lunatica
(53,410 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)1. Yawn.
2. None of the letters g,o or d were ever IN America.
3. Well, that's just fucking insane.
4. Congress actually writes the laws - How's that fix your little red wagon?
5. So much for Freedom of Speech and the 1st Amendment, right?
6. That makes absolutely no sense at all.
7. Preface "welfare" with the word "corporate" and you've got a winner. Otherwise that's bullshit.
8. "Freebies" like what, AIR?!?
9. Spit or swallow?
Share the answers too
Upton
(9,709 posts)spanone
(135,831 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts).. your "cousin" can go eat a rock.
I wouldn't take that kind of crap from ANY one I'm related to. He'd be swallowing teeth.
I agree. He is usually just annoying but he was on fire the other day. I think it was Obamacare on top of it being extremely hot and I was a liberal Democrat in his presence. I'm probably the first one he has seen since last week. He obviously needed to vent. I could let his antics go over the 4th. However, if he starts emailing me this kind of crap we got a problem.
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)then delete him unopened with all your other spam.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...his echo chamber was in high gear, so he was too.
just delete it
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I am ashamed someone in my family would send an email like this. either that or ignore if you want to keep this person in your life.
lastlib
(23,226 posts)I've used this with great effect to right-wing fundies who scream about judges "kicking God out". I just ask 'em what kind of puny god do they worship that can be kicked out by a mere judge? It totally flabbergasts 'em, and they can't deal with it.
For #1, I just ask him if he *really* thinks willard m. Romney is going to be looking out for his interests.
For #3,5 & 8, just tell him that Native Americans probably think the same thing about him.
Iris
(15,653 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)The people can masturbate all they want, but the rest of us don't need to know about it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)you will make it available to countless trolls who will promulgate the hateful message.
I don't even understand the picture, but the words are just ignorant.
I had a friend who used to send me crap like this. I wrote back saying that I was so hurt and confused that she thought I would enjoy receiving such propaganda.
I never heard from her again.
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)He absolutely hates Obama because Obama is black...He denies but I know that is the reason. He would send me emails with nothing factual. I would answer them with news and snopes links...He never would read them as far as I knew.
So, I wrote him that I would never be in touch with him because of his hatred and so I consider myself a orphan. He still sends me idiotic emails, which I ignore but pass on to my friends to show his hatred and his stupidity Today, I got this.
It appears to have been written 4 years ago. No surprise. These emails are recycled so often. anyway here is my nitwit racist brother who said the old guy hit the nail on the head.
John G. is 73 years old and owns a small business. He's a life-long Republican and sees his dream of retiring next year has all but evaporated. With the stock market crashing and new taxes coming his way, John assumes now that he will work to his dying day.
John has a granddaughter. Ashley is a recent college grad. She drives a flashy hybrid car, wears all the latest fashions, and loves to go out to nightclubs and restaurants. Ashley campaigned hard for Barack Obama. After the election she made sure her grandfather (and all other Republican family members) received a big I told-you-so earful on how the world is going to be a much better place now that her party is taking over.
Having lost both roommates, Ashley recently ran short of cash and cannot pay the rent (again) on her 3 bedroom townhouse... Like she has done many times in the past, she e-mailed her grandfather asking for some financial help.
Here is his hateful and nonfactual email...full of fear and hatred.
"Sweetheart, I received your request for assistance. Ashley, you know I love you dearly and I'm sympathetic to your financial plight. Unfortunately, times have changed. With the election of President Obama, your grandmother and I have had to set forth a bold new economic plan of our own...."The Ashley Economic Empowerment Plan." Let me explain.
Your grandmother and I are life-long, wage-earning tax payers. We have lived a comfortable life, as you know, but we have never had the fancier things like European vacations, luxury cars, etc... We have worked hard and were looking forward to retiring soon. But the plan has changed. Your president is raising our personal and business taxes significantly. He says it is so he can give our hard earned money to other people... Do you know what this means, Ashley? It means less for us, and we must cut back on many business and personal expenses.
You know the wonderful receptionist who worked in my office for more than 23 years? The one who always gave you candy when you came over to visit? I had to let her go last week. I can't afford to pay her salary and all of the government mandated taxes that go with having employees.... Your grandmother will now work 4 days a week to answer phones, take orders and handle the books. We will be closed on Fridays and will lose even more income.
I'm also very sorry to report that your cousin Frank will no longer be working summers in the warehouse. I called him at school this morning. He already knows about it and he's upset because he will have to give up skydiving and his yearly trip to Greenland to survey the polar bears.
That's just the business side of things. Some personal economic effects of Obama's new taxation policies include none other than you. You know very well that over the years your grandmother and I have given you thousands of dollars in cash, tuition assistance, food, housing, clothing, gifts, etc., etc. But by your vote, you have chosen to help others -- not at your expense -- but at our expense.
If you need money now sweetheart, I recommend you call 202-456-1111, 202-456-1111, 202-456-1111, 202-456-1111. That is the direct phone number for the White House.. You can also contact the White House here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/%C2%A0;...
You yourself told me how foolish it is to vote Republican... You said Mr. Obama is going to be the People's President, and is going to help every American live a better life. Based on everything you've told me, along with all the promises we heard during the campaign, I'm sure Mr. Obama will be happy to transfer some stimulus money into your bank account. Have him call me for the account number which I memorized years ago.
Perhaps you can now understand what I've been saying all my life: Those who vote for a president should consider the impact on the nation as a whole, and not be just concerned with what they can get for themselves. What Obama supporters don't seem to realize is all of the money he is redistributing to illegal aliens and non-taxpaying Americans (the so-called "less fortunate" comes from tax-paying families.
Remember how you told me, "Only the richest of the rich will be affected"? Well guess what, honey? Because we own a business, your grandmother and I are now considered to be the richest of the rich. On paper, it might look that way, but in the real world, we are far from it..
As you said while campaigning for Obama, some people will have to carry more of the burden so all of America can prosper... You understand what that means, right? It means that raising taxes on productive people results in them having less money; less money for everything, including granddaughters.
I'm sorry, Ashley, but the well has run dry. The free lunches are over... I have no money to give you now. So, congratulations on your choice for "change." For future reference, I encourage you to try and add up the total value of the gifts and cash you have received from us, just since you went off to college, and compare it to what you expect to get from Mr. Obama over the next 4 (or 8) years. I have not kept track of it, Ashley. It has all truly been the gift of our hearts.
Remember, we love you dearly.... but from now on you'll need to call the number mentioned above. Your "Savior" has the money we would have given to you. Just try and get it from him.
Good luck, sweetheart.
Love, Grandpa"
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)such a moran
derby378
(30,252 posts)I don't think they care much for that stuff, either - they're not Tea Party conservatives. Well, maybe a cousin or two, but that's it.
edbermac
(15,939 posts)Along with a few choice obscenities. And a 'Hillary in 2016' sticker.
He who laughs last...
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)What in the devil does that mean? Who are WE? Coming to where? Coming from where? Coming to do what?
It sounds like WE are coming from all over the US to have another Civil War. That will be the craziest line drawn in the sand we could imagine. It won't be the North and the South, it will be a little from here and a little from there, a few from afar and a few from down the street.
Makes absolutely no sense.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)his "charming" wife never met an email thing that didn't need to be forwarded. I exchanged a few barbs with him along the way usually starting with "okay Tim, I'll take the bait......." and go through debunking his entire line of horsefeathers whatever it was (with a reply all), but that grew tiresome and I just quit doing so. He never figured out that I blocked his email and occasionally one of those on this list would do the same reply all and it would come through their email address to me. In one instance I had a great reply all exchange with another Dem as we discussed cousin Timmy's closed minded emails. I think he got the hint finally and I haven't seen one in years. I had to see cousin Timmy at a funeral last year (we were both pall bearers) but we managed to keep our party manners on for the duration.
I would suggest blocking their email, but that is your call.