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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:12 PM Dec 2011

Singing the anthem: Are you doing it 'right'? Lawmaker wants rules for performances at schools

Singing the anthem: Are you doing it 'right'?
Lawmaker wants rules for performances at schools

Oh, say can you . . . sing?

And, more importantly, can you sing it the "right" way -- the way one Indiana lawmaker thinks the national anthem should be sung?

Sen. Vaneta Becker, R-Evansville, has introduced a bill that would set specific "performance standards" for singing and playing "The Star-Spangled Banner" at any event sponsored by public schools and state universities.

The law also would cover private schools receiving state or local scholarship funds, including vouchers.

Performers would have to sign a contract agreeing to follow the guidelines. Musicians -- whether amateur or professional -- would be fined $25 if it were deemed they failed to meet the appropriate standards.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20111230/LOCAL/112300334/Singing-anthem-you-doing-right-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News

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Singing the anthem: Are you doing it 'right'? Lawmaker wants rules for performances at schools (Original Post) The Straight Story Dec 2011 OP
nothing better to do with their time? barbtries Dec 2011 #1
Fergit jail; PRISON!!! elleng Dec 2011 #5
yes!! barbtries Dec 2011 #11
hell, string 'em up!! prison is too good for 'em! n/t ladywnch Dec 2011 #13
Fined??? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #2
Want to bet on whether or not he can sing it properly over its FULL voval range? hobbit709 Dec 2011 #3
LOL, not taking that bet. gkhouston Dec 2011 #18
This is one of those 'small government' repugs, right? elleng Dec 2011 #4
Here's how it should be done. Chiyo-chichi Dec 2011 #6
Koo rook kook koo rook koo koo! Octafish Dec 2011 #41
Legislators should be fined for stupid shit pinboy3niner Dec 2011 #7
+ infinity with a cherry on top. Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #23
Because freedom can only be freedom with strict adherence to Solly Mack Dec 2011 #8
Hell just getting kids to line up is an undertaking. WTF? MichiganVote Dec 2011 #9
Jose can you see Politicalboi Dec 2011 #10
What we should do is replace the national anthem. TheWraith Dec 2011 #12
I'm with you! KansDem Dec 2011 #14
Oh, I dunno. What could be more apt then.... Moonwalk Dec 2011 #15
The Stars and Stripes Forever? Have you ever seen or tried to sing the lyrics? Moonwalk Dec 2011 #16
Learn something new every day. ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #42
Big question is...are you sorry you now know? Moonwalk Dec 2011 #44
"Be kind to our fine feathered friends hifiguy Dec 2011 #21
When my spouse and I heard this on the news Silver Swan Dec 2011 #17
We need an emoticon that shakes its head and rolls its eyes hifiguy Dec 2011 #19
Many bills are introduced. Few become law. MineralMan Dec 2011 #20
How stupid LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #22
Ve have vays of making you sing! tanyev Dec 2011 #24
If asked to sing, I would go, armed with 25 bucks and SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #25
Please tell me this is from The Onion. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2011 #26
I don't think Marvin Gaye's rendition Are_grits_groceries Dec 2011 #27
Word - best version ever! bullwinkle428 Dec 2011 #37
love, love, love! nt betharina Dec 2011 #38
I guess I could be busted JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2011 #28
Why stop there? Shouldn't we pass laws about what hand gesticulations to use while singing it? Bucky Dec 2011 #29
LaRouche ripoff MisterP Dec 2011 #30
I could be in a whole heap o' trouble. $25 worth, anyhow. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2011 #31
that's really hard to sing! motely36 Dec 2011 #40
Sorry, the perfect definitive version has already been performed. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #32
This is certainly Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2011 #33
Unenforceable and void for vagueness. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2011 #34
Well, that's one way to prevent people from singing the national anthem. surrealAmerican Dec 2011 #35
Small Gov't Republican are we? rustydog Dec 2011 #36
Republicans just love bullshit issues. Talk about jobs Veneta, it's about the fucking jobs. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #39
Given some of the incredibly bad versions that have been done, ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #43

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
18. LOL, not taking that bet.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:27 PM
Dec 2011

I actually can sing it, and that's unusual enough that people usually turn their heads to see who the heck is singing.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. Koo rook kook koo rook koo koo!
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:12 PM
Dec 2011

Last edited Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Fantastic, Mel! Fantastic!

Best. Ever. Eh?

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. Legislators should be fined for stupid shit
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:21 PM
Dec 2011

This one would have just incurred a Stupid Shit fine (which, in his case, would be tripled for Extra Stupid).

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
12. What we should do is replace the national anthem.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:31 PM
Dec 2011

The one we have right now is not a song, it's a poem not intended to be sung. And worse yet, it's a poem set to the tune of a British drinking song.

We should make our national anthem The Stars and Stripes Forever by Sousa. That way we never again have to listen to some celebrity who can't sing butcher the thing.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
15. Oh, I dunno. What could be more apt then....
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:10 PM
Dec 2011

...a war poem set to the tune of a drinking song? War and beer set to a tune no average person can properly sing--that, to me, embodies the U.S.A.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
16. The Stars and Stripes Forever? Have you ever seen or tried to sing the lyrics?
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:20 PM
Dec 2011

There's a reason it's almost always played rather than sung. Look at some of these phrases: "Martial note in triumph float" (float? Seriously?) "Fervid elation" "Let eagle shriek from lofty peak" --or alternately, "Let eagle cry from mountain high" ??? And I'd sooner slit my throat then sing: "It's a beacon for all who share our dream of a new day without domination/It's the hope of the peoples now oppressed and a symbol of their own emancipation."


I'll take "rockets' red glare" and "bombs bursting in air" (silly as those are) over these any day. Besides, listening to it sung make me feel like I should be wearing a straw hat and seersucker suit. Here is one version of the song sung:


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And here's a different version of the lyrics for perusal.

***
Let martial note in triumph float
And liberty extend its mighty hand
A flag appears 'mid thunderous cheers,
The banner of the Western land.
The emblem of the brave and true
Its folds protect no tyrant crew;
The red and white and starry blue
Is freedom's shield and hope.
Other nations may deem their flags the best
And cheer them with fervid elation
But the flag of the North and South and West
Is the flag of flags, the flag of Freedom's nation.


Hurrah for the flag of the free!
May it wave as our standard forever,
The gem of the land and the sea,
The banner of the right.
Let despots remember the day
When our fathers with mighty endeavor
Proclaimed as they marched to the fray
That by their might and by their right
It waves forever.


Let eagle shriek from lofty peak
The never-ending watchword of our land;
Let summer breeze waft through the trees
The echo of the chorus grand.
Sing out for liberty and light,
Sing out for freedom and the right.
Sing out for Union and its might,
O patriotic sons.
Other nations may deem their flags the best
And cheer them with fervid elation,
But the flag of the North and South and West
Is the flag of flags, the flag of Freedom's nation.


Hurrah for the flag of the free.
May it wave as our standard forever
The gem of the land and the sea,
The banner of the right.
Let despots remember the day
When our fathers with might endeavor
Proclaimed as they marched to the fray,
That by their might and by their right
It waves forever.
***

Couldn't we just appropriate "The Internationale"? "Arise ye Prisoners of Starvation?" That's got an awesome tune and not so bad lyrics.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
42. Learn something new every day.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:36 PM
Dec 2011

While I am a big fan of Sousa, I never knew this song actually had lyrics.

Silver Swan

(1,110 posts)
17. When my spouse and I heard this on the news
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:21 PM
Dec 2011

I commented that it would help it the people singing actually were familiar with the song. Sometimes I think they never sang it before they perform it as a solo.

My spouse then admitted he had never sung "The Star Spangled Banner," not even as a child. He never learned the words.

I admit I was surprised, but if his experience is common, it's no wonder so many singers mess it up.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. We need an emoticon that shakes its head and rolls its eyes
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:29 PM
Dec 2011

at the same time to express the appropriate response to this kind of idiocy. <double facepalm>

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
20. Many bills are introduced. Few become law.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:32 PM
Dec 2011

Sen. Vaneta Becker, Moron-Evansville, will not succeed in getting anything more than some minor publicity for this bill. Silliness.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
22. How stupid
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:37 PM
Dec 2011

I think there was a satirical song by the 'Capitol Steps' group once that satirized Republican super-patriotism, and included a suggestion for criminal penalties for those who sing 'The Star Spangled Banner' offkey. It's sad when satire becomes reality!

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
25. If asked to sing, I would go, armed with 25 bucks and
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:50 PM
Dec 2011

fuck it up on purpose.

How fucking dare anyone, including the government, fuck, especially the government, assume that they can determine what is "right" for music. The last fucking person on the planet who should be deciding how a song should be sung is a fucking politician.

Does anyone seriously think that this idiot really cares about music or even the song itself? This is just more fucking "In God We Trust", time wasting crap, designed to show the sheep how "patriotic" the Republicans are while avoiding doing anything to actually improve the living conditions for the majority of Americans.



Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
27. I don't think Marvin Gaye's rendition
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:55 PM
Dec 2011

would meet the standards, but boy did he rock it! And he knew the words.
My fave!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
28. I guess I could be busted
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:56 PM
Dec 2011

Since this is already the law in Michigan, I could be fined for thinking the anthem starts "Jose can you see?" and ends with the words "Play ball!"

Bucky

(54,003 posts)
29. Why stop there? Shouldn't we pass laws about what hand gesticulations to use while singing it?
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:56 PM
Dec 2011

I think maybe we also need laws regulating what clothes you can wear while singing the national anthem, too. Our forefathers did not freeze at Mount Vernon in order for us to sing the national anthem while wearing inappropriate and unpatriotic clothing.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
31. I could be in a whole heap o' trouble. $25 worth, anyhow.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:08 PM
Dec 2011

I can sing it, but years ago I learned a version where you sing it one syllable off, like this:

Oh say, can you see, by
The dawn's early light, what
So proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming? Whose
Broad stripes and bright stars through
The perilous fight, o'er
The ramparts we watched were
So gallantly streaming? And
The rockets' red glare, the
Bombs bursting in air, gave
Proof through the night that
Our flag was still there. Oh,
Say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave o'er
The land of the free and
The home of the brave?

You end up one note short. Sen. Becker probably would not find this rendition amusing.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,571 posts)
33. This is certainly
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:13 PM
Dec 2011

an example of small government at work........................................ (searching for the sarcasm thingy)

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
34. Unenforceable and void for vagueness.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:21 PM
Dec 2011

No way they can enforce musical standards, says this lawyer and musician.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
35. Well, that's one way to prevent people from singing the national anthem.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:05 PM
Dec 2011

I'm thinking most schools would play it safe, and just sing "America the Beautiful" instead.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
36. Small Gov't Republican are we?
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:23 PM
Dec 2011

Where was your outrage when the GOP fuc*ed up the reading of the constitution in the House.
How much are you willing to FINE Boehner for orchestrating that laughing stock of performance art?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
43. Given some of the incredibly bad versions that have been done,
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:12 AM
Dec 2011

I can understand the desire to not to have them inflicted on us any more. Unfortunately, there is no way to properly legislate this, so we are just stuck booing the bad performances.

Even some of the CD recordings used for the Olympics have been a little embarrassing.

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