Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:04 PM

MineralMan (96,537 posts)

Glenn Greenwald is an asshat for his support of Ron Paul.

Here's what he wrote, regarding Paul:

"Ron Paul is far and away the most anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war presidential candidate in either party."

Now, despite my thinking of Greenwald as an asshat for this and other things he has written, I will defend to the death his right to express his asshattery in any way he wants. I'd even serve a term in our country's armed forces to defend that right. In fact, I've done just that. Greenwald may say whatever he wants, and I will criticize what he says freely. He may even choose to vote for Ron Paul, instead of for President Obama, whom he seems to dislike with an intensity I'm afraid I fail to comprehend.

I may be criticized for calling Glenn Greenwald an asshat for his writings, but I do that under the same guarantee that I insist on for Greenwald. I do not wish to shut Greenwald up, nor to interfere in any way with his ability to write whatever asshattery he may wish to right. By the same token, I will insist that my opinion have the same freedom of expression.

Nobody should be silenced. Everyone should feel free to express his or her opinion. That's the essential freedom of this country. It's the one thing that must remain an unrestricted freedom.

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Glenn Greenwald is an asshat for his support of Ron Paul. (Original post)	MineralMan	Dec 2011	OP
You really should have picked a better quotation	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#1
This post was not about my opinion of Greenwald,	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#11
Uh	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#21
Proof? Mineral Man doesn't need no stinkin' proof. It's just his opinion that Greenwald supports	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#36
Bullshit. Paul supports war with Iraq, Iran, abortion bans, and criminalizing homosexuality.	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#105
2 for 4, not bad	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#113
"Personally, I don't much care for the attacks on his views on social policies."	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#115
Here's what I think	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#117
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2011	#122
Your opinion is clouding your judgment	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2011	#51
No, he just sings his praises as a good choice for liberals.	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#108
You and I have a different definition for the word "support."	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2011	#2
Apparently, yes.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#7
NAZI!	gratuitous	Dec 2011	#9
Yes, I suppose we do.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#12
Election Season: where the simple-minded can't distinguish between	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#14
You claimed he "supports" RP.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2011	#19
So the point of your post is not the point of your post? I see. Thanks.	JackRiddler	Dec 2011	#102
What if you write	hfojvt	Dec 2011	#17
I've seen stranger things taken as support.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#34
To anyone with a brain larger than, say, a pea?	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2011	#49
He was not a vegetarian	oberliner	Dec 2011	#99
K & R. n/t	FSogol	Dec 2011	#3
Greenwald is an asshat for supporting Citizen's United.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2011	#4
That, too, but again not the point of my OP.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#27
I agree. I just expressed my opinion, too.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2011	#39
I demand nothing. I simply respond to your reply.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#40
I love reading your OP's. They end up being the most circular threads ever.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2011	#46
Thanks!	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#63
Is there any other candidate promoting the end of the war on drugs, the end of	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#5
That bears repeating:	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2011	#13
Or who has had his very own racist newsletter? Nt	arely staircase	Dec 2011	#18
That is true. But that has nothing to do with the theme of Greenwald's article	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#41
No it was not the theme of the article	arely staircase	Dec 2011	#58
Is the statement about the "white supremacist" that he is against the empire and the war on drugs...	JackRiddler	Dec 2011	#103
David Duke may be in favor of Medicare for all and free college tuition. Who could possibly care?	arely staircase	Dec 2011	#118
Can you name a national Republican who will not pursue racist policies?	JackRiddler	Dec 2011	#119
I can only name one who published his very own white supremacist newsletter. Ron Paul.	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#125
You're right, Gingrich only published books.	JackRiddler	Jan 2012	#127
I saw that sig line. It's interesting that you missed the point of my post	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#20
Your title clearly states that Greenwald supports Paul. Greenwald says otherwise.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#28
No but if that was the thing you chose to	arely staircase	Dec 2011	#60
Another person who did not read the article. That quote isn't even close to the focus.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#64
I know his focus was the surveillance state	arely staircase	Dec 2011	#66
I posted the wrong link. Below is the correct one.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#72
Greenwald makes a valid point.	arely staircase	Dec 2011	#75
well put. but hey, his shtick has an audience, and it's how he makes his living. i think a lot of	dionysus	Dec 2011	#6
Except for the fact that it is untrue.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#8
I admire his ability to earn a living with his words.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#24
I hope you don't start your HVAC articles with ...	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2011	#84
Does that mean that you are pro-war, pro surveillance state, pro crony capitalism, and pro drug-war?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2011	#10
No, it does not mean that at all. It means that I have quoted an	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#15
Are you trying to out-Zocoloco Zocoloco?	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#26
I have no idea what you are trying to say.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#29
I would but it makes my head swim.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#31
lol	Cameron27	Jan 2012	#126
+1	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2011	#52
Greenwald has repeatedly said that he does not endorse Paul.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#16
Link to the article... (edited to add the correct link- it's the 1st one)	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#23
Yes, I know that. He was writing for someone. Writers often do that.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#30
Tierra_y_Libertad asked for a link. I provided it.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#33
I was born in MO. You're going to have to show me how that is support.	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2011	#22
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Dec 2011	#25
Someone else wrote a post about freedom of expression	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#32
Some people say that Obama was born in Kenya. But heh! They are simply	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#35
Yes, some do say that. You know it is not true.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#38
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Dec 2011	#42
Funny. He wrote his own headline and used the 1st paragraph to	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#53
Yes, but think of the poor people trying to get their pool clean.	JackRiddler	Dec 2011	#104
looks like more of an opinion than an endorsement or support..	frylock	Dec 2011	#37
Shhhh. Don't let facts get in the way of truthiness.*	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#45
I suspect a semi-coordinated attempt to link being anti-War, anti-Drug War, anti-Bankster bailout	Romulox	Dec 2011	#43
I don't get	WilliamPitt	Dec 2011	#44
This message was self-deleted by its author	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#47
No, I hear you.	WilliamPitt	Dec 2011	#56
How about giving "good Ink" to:	bvar22	Dec 2011	#109
Greenwald fucked up, his perceived support of Paul was unpopular. He backpedaled	Robb	Dec 2011	#67
Nope. He wrote two paragraphs on Paul in a 20 paragraph article	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#77
I realize he was merely using it as a foil to get a mention of Gary Johnson in.	Robb	Dec 2011	#81
Its not his fault that there are plenty of mindless dolts.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#86
That's not even close.	Robb	Dec 2011	#88
Its nuanced, I know.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#90
Careful, you might hurt my internet feelings.	Robb	Dec 2011	#91
and never admitted succumbing to the biggest temptation on the internet.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2011	#82
snort	Robb	Dec 2011	#89
Like the broken clock--accurate twice a day I just don't equate analysis of positions with support	hlthe2b	Dec 2011	#71
On the scale of "assholes like Greenwald can say what they want"	BootinUp	Dec 2011	#48
If you're using just that quote to interpret support for Paul your argument is not convincing.	Poll_Blind	Dec 2011	#50
Not Me!	BootinUp	Dec 2011	#55
Well then, who is?	Poll_Blind	Dec 2011	#57
Any number of politicans that don't blatantly lie about their political positions/views.	BootinUp	Dec 2011	#61
That's not an answer and trying to turn me into a Paul supporter so you can scuttle off is weak.	Poll_Blind	Dec 2011	#65
It was an answer and an explanation. You wish to establish	BootinUp	Dec 2011	#68
LOL, what you're missing is I already agree that Paul's a shit. As I've said, I agree...	Poll_Blind	Dec 2011	#73
The only reason you (and others) agree with it	BootinUp	Dec 2011	#83
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2011	#87
God, we need the unrec button...	joeybee12	Dec 2011	#54
Exactly. So projecting that Greenwald somehow supports Paul is...	Poll_Blind	Dec 2011	#59
Sorry, MM... but Greenwald providing analysis of Paul's positions does not equate to support of Paul	hlthe2b	Dec 2011	#62
I didn't know Glenn was endorsing Ron Paul!	Rex	Dec 2011	#69
LMAO.. there is none...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2011	#70
I know...	Rex	Dec 2011	#74
LOL.. I knew you knew...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2011	#79
All this Ron Paul talk is forcing me to	Rex	Dec 2011	#80
Despite who he does or doesn't support "Glenn Greenwald is an asshat", period. The end.	Tarheel_Dem	Dec 2011	#76
Geez, and he wasn't even on American Idol!	Major Hogwash	Dec 2011	#78
Why don't you post a link to the entire article that quote came from? So maybe people can see the	Puregonzo1188	Dec 2011	#85
I'm anti-war, anti-crony capitalism, anti-Surveillance State and anti-drug war. AND I'm pro-choice	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#92
_I_ avoid supermarket ground beef.	Agony	Dec 2011	#93
That makes more sense than the OP.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2011	#96
Some points about Greenwald, Paul, Obama, and my own take	sandyd921	Dec 2011	#94
The kind of respectful post that has made DU what it is today. Go MM! Go MM!	Karmadillo	Dec 2011	#95
"Greenwald is an asshat!" "Taibbi is an uneducated idiot!"	girl gone mad	Dec 2011	#97
Actually, both of those statements, unbacked by anything approaching credible argument...	JackRiddler	Dec 2011	#106
He's also anti-civil rights	mzmolly	Dec 2011	#98
Where's the "support" part of your claim? You know, aside from whether Paul is the most anti." nt	valerief	Dec 2011	#100
Greenwald responds: MineralMan is "simple-minded."	Robb	Dec 2011	#101
LOL	Cali_Democrat	Dec 2011	#107
to say the least	got root	Dec 2011	#116
Just had to kick this back up. And ITA. nt	DevonRex	Dec 2011	#110
Saying that a broken clock is right twice a day is not "support".	Odin2005	Dec 2011	#111
No, it's not stupid at all.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2011	#121
Look what Greenwald wrote under "simple minded"!	Fuddnik	Dec 2011	#112
That isn't "support". It has to be granted that two out of four are easily arguable.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#114
Excellent summation, Kentuck:	JackRiddler	Dec 2011	#120
I don't think it's support, I think GG truly believes Paul believes those things.	joshcryer	Dec 2011	#123
I'd rather like to see you and Glenn battle on DU3.	MichaelMcGuire	Jan 2012	#124

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:06 PM

MFrohike (1,980 posts)

1. You really should have picked a better quotation

That one just doesn't help prove your headline at all.

Glenn Greenwald is an asshat for his support of Ron Paul.

1. You really should have picked a better quotation

11. This post was not about my opinion of Greenwald,

21. Uh

36. Proof? Mineral Man doesn't need no stinkin' proof. It's just his opinion that Greenwald supports

105. Bullshit. Paul supports war with Iraq, Iran, abortion bans, and criminalizing homosexuality.

113. 2 for 4, not bad

115. "Personally, I don't much care for the attacks on his views on social policies."

117. Here's what I think

51. Your opinion is clouding your judgment

108. No, he just sings his praises as a good choice for liberals.

2. You and I have a different definition for the word "support."

7. Apparently, yes.

9. NAZI!

12. Yes, I suppose we do.

14. Election Season: where the simple-minded can't distinguish between

19. You claimed he "supports" RP.

102. So the point of your post is not the point of your post? I see. Thanks.

17. What if you write

34. I've seen stranger things taken as support.

49. To anyone with a brain larger than, say, a pea?

99. He was not a vegetarian

3. K & R. n/t

4. Greenwald is an asshat for supporting Citizen's United.

27. That, too, but again not the point of my OP.

39. I agree. I just expressed my opinion, too.

40. I demand nothing. I simply respond to your reply.

46. I love reading your OP's. They end up being the most circular threads ever.

63. Thanks!

5. Is there any other candidate promoting the end of the war on drugs, the end of

13. That bears repeating:

18. Or who has had his very own racist newsletter? Nt

41. That is true. But that has nothing to do with the theme of Greenwald's article

58. No it was not the theme of the article

103. Is the statement about the "white supremacist" that he is against the empire and the war on drugs...

118. David Duke may be in favor of Medicare for all and free college tuition. Who could possibly care?

119. Can you name a national Republican who will not pursue racist policies?

125. I can only name one who published his very own white supremacist newsletter. Ron Paul.

127. You're right, Gingrich only published books.

20. I saw that sig line. It's interesting that you missed the point of my post

28. Your title clearly states that Greenwald supports Paul. Greenwald says otherwise.

60. No but if that was the thing you chose to

64. Another person who did not read the article. That quote isn't even close to the focus.

66. I know his focus was the surveillance state

72. I posted the wrong link. Below is the correct one.

75. Greenwald makes a valid point.

6. well put. but hey, his shtick has an audience, and it's how he makes his living. i think a lot of

8. Except for the fact that it is untrue.

24. I admire his ability to earn a living with his words.

84. I hope you don't start your HVAC articles with ...

10. Does that mean that you are pro-war, pro surveillance state, pro crony capitalism, and pro drug-war?

15. No, it does not mean that at all. It means that I have quoted an

26. Are you trying to out-Zocoloco Zocoloco?

29. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

31. I would but it makes my head swim.

126. lol

52. +1

16. Greenwald has repeatedly said that he does not endorse Paul.

23. Link to the article... (edited to add the correct link- it's the 1st one)

30. Yes, I know that. He was writing for someone. Writers often do that.

33. Tierra_y_Libertad asked for a link. I provided it.

22. I was born in MO. You're going to have to show me how that is support.

32. Someone else wrote a post about freedom of expression

35. Some people say that Obama was born in Kenya. But heh! They are simply

38. Yes, some do say that. You know it is not true.

53. Funny. He wrote his own headline and used the 1st paragraph to

104. Yes, but think of the poor people trying to get their pool clean.

37. looks like more of an opinion than an endorsement or support..

45. Shhhh. Don't let facts get in the way of truthiness.*

43. I suspect a semi-coordinated attempt to link being anti-War, anti-Drug War, anti-Bankster bailout

44. I don't get

56. No, I hear you.

109. How about giving "good Ink" to:

67. Greenwald fucked up, his perceived support of Paul was unpopular. He backpedaled

77. Nope. He wrote two paragraphs on Paul in a 20 paragraph article

81. I realize he was merely using it as a foil to get a mention of Gary Johnson in.

86. Its not his fault that there are plenty of mindless dolts.

88. That's not even close.

90. Its nuanced, I know.

91. Careful, you might hurt my internet feelings.

89. snort