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It's simple: we went from the best president, ever, to the worst president, ever. (Original Post) stopbush Apr 2017 OP
yep - bizarro world winning - bigly! NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #1
Republicans absolutely hated the best president. Kablooie Apr 2017 #2
They still don't know how or why they are assholes. dchill Apr 2017 #3
From gourmet to shit dalton99a Apr 2017 #4
Stunning...to us, and to the civilized world Alice11111 Apr 2017 #5
November 8 was an existential moment for the USA, all right.Now it's a full-blown existential crisis Hekate Apr 2017 #6
Agreed! Tortmaster Apr 2017 #7
We went from Lincoln to John Wilkes Booth. grantcart Apr 2017 #8
agree 100% brettdale Apr 2017 #9
The fact that we also had BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #10
Yes, PA, MI, WI, IA screwed us over.. golfguru Apr 2017 #26
Agree completely. Unfortunately, only about 3% of the white wingers who voted for Trump Hoyt Apr 2017 #11
3% may seem small, but it would have tipped things in our favor... Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #12
Maybe, if we think there are no Democrats who might change affiliation to and that Hoyt Apr 2017 #16
In Three And A Half Years, More White-Wingers Will Wise Up Vogon_Glory Apr 2017 #13
Not even close oberliner Apr 2017 #14
I can buy........... MyOwnPeace Apr 2017 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #32
I knew the repubs would give us someone worse that W, eventually. CrispyQ Apr 2017 #15
I'm not sure either qualifies as such, even in my lifetime. bluedigger Apr 2017 #17
JFK gets credit for much of what LBJ accomplished. stopbush Apr 2017 #19
I am not so sure... Fatemah2774 Apr 2017 #18
Trump is not even the worst President this century inwiththenew Apr 2017 #20
No doubt Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #22
Yup Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #21
Dolt 45 is definitely not an upgrade from BHO. n/t Different Drummer Apr 2017 #23
Yes mcar Apr 2017 #24
Half Right colsohlibgal Apr 2017 #25
And.......... MyOwnPeace Apr 2017 #29
K & R Achilleaze Apr 2017 #28
The Trump presidency is all about giving the Obama presidency the finger. Initech Apr 2017 #30
No. Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, ...... WinkyDink Apr 2017 #31
True shenmue Apr 2017 #33
There's definitely been a consistent pattern for the worse over the last 50 some years dgauss Apr 2017 #34
The 5-year slide from JFK to LBJ to Nixon was pretty grim. VOX Apr 2017 #35

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
2. Republicans absolutely hated the best president.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 01:15 AM
Apr 2017

So now they are trying to love the worst president ever but somehow it doesn't quite feel right to them.

dchill

(38,501 posts)
3. They still don't know how or why they are assholes.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 01:32 AM
Apr 2017

Instead, they spend all their time trying to convince themselves, and everyone else, that they're not.

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
6. November 8 was an existential moment for the USA, all right.Now it's a full-blown existential crisis
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 02:02 AM
Apr 2017

We definitely were sabotaged; we definitely had "help" getting to this point. But Americans should take a long hard look in the mirror as well. What it shows is ugly.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. We went from Lincoln to John Wilkes Booth.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 02:28 AM
Apr 2017

Three hundred years from now they will still be writing plays and making movies about it.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
10. The fact that we also had
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 03:18 AM
Apr 2017

the best candidate against this POS is also heartbreaking.

That candidate WON the popular vote by a very large margin. So there is definitely something wrong where erstwhile "blue" states did not support her.

That was, unfortunately, a combination of MANY things, together with 30+ years of smears and slurs that were perpetuated - even here - by too many who should know better.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Agree completely. Unfortunately, only about 3% of the white wingers who voted for Trump
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 06:14 AM
Apr 2017

now indicate they might have been wrong after seeing him in office. That is really disappointing.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
12. 3% may seem small, but it would have tipped things in our favor...
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 06:53 AM
Apr 2017

...if the election were held today. Small consolation I know, but we must keep chipping away at that number and get anyone else that voted the wrong way/not at all to see the light.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. Maybe, if we think there are no Democrats who might change affiliation to and that
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 11:27 AM
Apr 2017

the white wingers will actually vote for a Democrat when the time comes. While hoping I'm wrong, not particularly optimistic.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
13. In Three And A Half Years, More White-Wingers Will Wise Up
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 08:36 AM
Apr 2017

But we'll have to do a whole lot of hurting ourselves before some of them wise up.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. Not even close
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 08:38 AM
Apr 2017

On either score.

We went from a very good president to a very bad president.

But we've had better than Obama and we've had worse than Trump.

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
27. I can buy...........
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 07:09 PM
Apr 2017

the argument (and it's a good one on so many levels) that President Obama may not be the best ever, BUT, it is shocking that in less than 100 days someone has been able to make "W" look "not-so-bad!"
And, really, we CAN get a serious debate regarding ANYBODY worse than #45 - and he keeps gaining points daily!

Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
15. I knew the repubs would give us someone worse that W, eventually.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 11:24 AM
Apr 2017

I just didn't think it would be right out of the gate & to this degree.

As each day passes, I fear we are stuck with this impostor & in 2020 the son-in-law will run & by then our electoral process will be so thoroughly corrupt he will win.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
17. I'm not sure either qualifies as such, even in my lifetime.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 11:34 AM
Apr 2017

I go back to JFK, for frame of reference. I think Obama's case is good, but Trump has yet to surpass Nixon in the long term damage he did to the country and it's political institutions. He's still got plenty of time, though.

Fatemah2774

(245 posts)
18. I am not so sure...
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 04:09 PM
Apr 2017

Nixon had his moments, but he did not try to upset the social safety net...he worked to get the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water act...he did not gut the arts and humanities to continue the Vietnam War...his paranoia and lack of trust was primarily his own doing, and he became quite the statesman, even if he should have been sent to jail for 1000 years...45 is gutting everything...arts, humanities, VAWA, monitoring police protections, he'll sessions is quietly dismantling forensic science...and by ridding the government of staff and workers in his cuts will increase unemployment...not to mention the real possibility of a hot war with weapons designed for the destruction of the human race...I get scared, and I mean real scared and hope we all can make it to 46 alive.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
20. Trump is not even the worst President this century
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 04:43 PM
Apr 2017

Did we forget about Iraq and the economic collapse? I'm not saying he's not a bigger asshole and probably will be worse but I don't think we've surpassed those two disasters just yet.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
22. No doubt
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 06:22 PM
Apr 2017

but I would also argue that both of those things took time to go south. The first 100 days of Trump's Presidency has been one folly and disaster after another, important/crucial government positions haven't been filled yet, he is bringing in family members to serve in unelected and unofficial posts that don't require oversight (to the extent that we would be able to get it) and the mis-Administration is still wallowing the as-yet-resolved mess of the campaign's alleged collaboration with the Russians to influence the election last year. The ONLY major victory Trump has scored is winning confirmation of his SCOTUS nominee, though it shouldn't have been his to make to begin with and, additionally, was only achieved via McConnell eliminating the filibuster.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
25. Half Right
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 06:58 PM
Apr 2017

Chitolini is the worst and the worst by a lot and we've had some bad ones.....like Harding and Doofus Dubya....aka Cheney's hand puppet. But Harding and Dubya were nowhere near what this guy is.....right down to the revelations Drumpf can barely read.

But, while Obama was a good president I believe others have been better, Lincoln and FDR leap to mind. Obama was an important step, the first President of color. Or course the backlash from his being black shows we have a long way to go.

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
29. And..........
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 07:23 PM
Apr 2017

I would love to hear from a congressional historian regarding what president EVER had a more cantankerous, obstinate, defiant Congress to have to work with, with Turtle McConnell leading the way. That President Obama was able to get ANYTHING passed was a miracle - and a credit to his leadership - not to mention his "Christian turn-the-other-cheek" attitude in dealing with the opposition (not bad for a Kenyan-born Muslim, right?).

Initech

(100,079 posts)
30. The Trump presidency is all about giving the Obama presidency the finger.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 07:25 PM
Apr 2017

And for that, they are "winning" and boy have the GOP given Obama the finger.

dgauss

(882 posts)
34. There's definitely been a consistent pattern for the worse over the last 50 some years
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 09:57 PM
Apr 2017

when shifting from a Democratic president to a Republican president. Whether or not this last one was from the best to the worst (though I think that's the case at least in my lifetime), it still has to be the most mind boggling downgrade in our entire history.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
35. The 5-year slide from JFK to LBJ to Nixon was pretty grim.
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 12:56 AM
Apr 2017

One can't help but wonder what things would be like if JFK, MLK, Jr. and RFK hadn't been murdered in their prime. The nation was robbed of a generation of strong liberal leaders, and then was primed for endless war, Watergate, and the Reagan years. I've often contended that JFK's assassination marked the beginning of the very mess we're in today.

But no question, going from the class and humanity of Obama and his team to the chaotic freak-sideshow of 45 & Co. has been like falling through ice into freezing water: you can't survive long under those conditions.

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