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Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:07 PM Apr 2017

Getting ready for the spillover of right-wing rage.

Those of us who live in right-wing communities are familiar with it. On a normal day, civilities just means ignoring each other. But when they're mad, they can't help themselves. One of the telling signs that there's spillover occurs when they go out of their way to try to make you feel uncomfortable. I got such a sign today with a golfer on a golfcart who not only drove close to the property line while I was gardening, but just stood his ground until he was satisfied that I was "not up to no good."

This was not an ordinary golfer looking for a lost ball. When he first came into view I was by a trellis by the property line trying to find a good spot for the new clematis that had just been delivered from Park Seed. When I stood up, he saw me and turned the cart around to approach my property line, against the grain of the fairway. I watched him and could clearly see that he was scanning my backyard, as if he were passing judgment. He just hung around, at some point he pretended to look at something on the ground, but there was nothing there. He carried himself with an autocratic air that said that he had the right to be there, doing what he was doing, until he was satisfied.

As a minority, I knew what to do. Retreating into the house would have sent the wrong signal, so I went about my business and grabbed the hose to water the plants that were in pots. It was actually good timing. Some of those plants were wilting. As I stood my ground, I returned the stare. My way of letting him know that I belonged there. I think we gave each other the stink-eye.

He finally left and I noticed that A) He never picked up a golfball from the ground, and B) He picked up the game further down, in the middle of the fairway. In other words, he confirmed my suspicion that he turned the golfcart around to take a better look.

I expect that, as the events unfold on a national level, the seams at the local level will begin to split.

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Getting ready for the spillover of right-wing rage. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 OP
Is this a microaggression? HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #1
See, this is why I love DU. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #2
I practice micropassiveaggression to my superiors at work lunatica Apr 2017 #49
I'm sorry you have to experience this Cary Apr 2017 #53
Gosh, Cary. Thanks. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #54
A slice of my own life... Cary Apr 2017 #60
I have had cultural misunderstandings too. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #61
Your story just brought that to my mind for some reason Cary Apr 2017 #63
I know it's hard. Just another example of the different experiences we all have that Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #64
Not exactly. Cary Apr 2017 #66
Gotcha. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #67
In parts of the south... yallerdawg Apr 2017 #3
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #13
Thanks for visiting! yallerdawg Apr 2017 #14
You are the racist buffoon. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #16
It's been real. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2017 #19
Ooh, ooh, ooh, what liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #21
I hate when I miss the stupidity, too wryter2000 Apr 2017 #83
Was in the South only once. zentrum Apr 2017 #85
I would have walked up to him and asked vlyons Apr 2017 #4
Me, too. lol Solly Mack Apr 2017 #5
That is what I would have done also. nt Blue_true Apr 2017 #11
I would have volstork Apr 2017 #26
careful...I've done the hose bit oldcynic Apr 2017 #48
Asking if he had lost one of his balls would be kind. Thor_MN Apr 2017 #28
I would have framed it with sarcasm.... sdfernando Apr 2017 #44
That was my immediate thought when I read that... yagotme Apr 2017 #52
lol... Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #6
The incident would not have happened. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #8
Let me put it to you this way, Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #9
Asking the jackass if he needed help is not escalating. nt Blue_true Apr 2017 #12
Yeah it is. retrowire Apr 2017 #20
Exactly. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #32
It's the same reason I was afraid to put an Obama sticker on my car. I live in japple Apr 2017 #37
I bought Obama shirts that I carefully folded and put away for souvenirs. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #42
I wish we are all able to "fly our freak flag!!" This coming from an old japple Apr 2017 #51
. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #55
Yes it is. You just don't tempt fate. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #31
You were the reasonable mature adult. TNNurse Apr 2017 #27
Agreed BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #30
Thank you. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #33
You gotta admit it would have been very satisfying to ask him if he had lost his balls. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #45
Bye... LexVegas Apr 2017 #17
Good friends in NYC has their car severely damaged last night randr Apr 2017 #7
I expect these kind of events are going to escalate. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #10
That's something I've never done, put rage invoking sticker(s) on my car. There are just way too RKP5637 Apr 2017 #76
I woulda turned the hose on him. Ligyron Apr 2017 #15
PEACE to YOU & Yours furtheradu Apr 2017 #18
I feel your pain. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #34
This is so wrong on so many levels. ananda Apr 2017 #22
So true that these communities require adjustment in thinking. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #35
A short but entertaining anecdote! rock Apr 2017 #23
As a large white male raised by a white male monster from Texas -- byronius Apr 2017 #24
When I think about personal confrontations in this county, I always remember Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #36
Wise words. byronius Apr 2017 #41
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #43
Oh, many years of therapy later, I'm much better. byronius Apr 2017 #46
+1 narnian60 Apr 2017 #79
Their incompetence is blowing up in their stupid faces, and they're not happy. Initech Apr 2017 #25
Don't know where you are radical noodle Apr 2017 #29
Agreed. Sure wish there were more people around here Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #39
When the impeachment process begins or the NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #38
Yup. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #40
I hv to agree with you. I just hope others here and NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #71
Sounds as if you had A Close Encounter With White Male Privilege. spooky3 Apr 2017 #47
That old guy white male autocrat is very common around here. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #57
Created by right wing media: goal to lie to and scare old white men sharedvalues Apr 2017 #74
Great article. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #75
Exactly! Sadly, there's big money to be made in fear and hatred. Alex Jones is one example, and of RKP5637 Apr 2017 #78
Doesn't if feel like your're living in a minefield? oldcynic Apr 2017 #50
That is how I felt for many, many years. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #58
How well I know this... Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #59
And "bless your heart" :-). spooky3 Apr 2017 #62
Yes. Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #68
For the most part, I try to remember that we're living in parallel universes. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #65
Yes indeed Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #69
it's not just you...it's everywhere oldcynic Apr 2017 #70
Yep. When they go low, DON'T BACK DOWN. These bullies will bully until you stand up LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #72
Here's an idea: "Complicit." At anyone wearing pro-president gear. It will make you feel better :) sharedvalues Apr 2017 #73
I appreciate your characterization, "on a normal day civilities just means ignoring each other" still_one Apr 2017 #77
What we must do - A Rant DownriverDem Apr 2017 #80
+1 Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #81
the problem is one wing of the party wants us to let them lead without question yurbud Apr 2017 #88
People didn't know Hillary because Fox and Limbaugh lied about her sharedvalues Apr 2017 #89
I've lost friends over this election IronLionZion Apr 2017 #82
I have no business telling you what to do or how to feel metalbot Apr 2017 #84
I don't mean to be offensive, but I don't know how else to explain it. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #86
that could be disarming. Not everyone has the acting ability to make that work. yurbud Apr 2017 #87
You did well and I applaud you benld74 Apr 2017 #90
those people believe in alternative facts oldcynic Apr 2017 #91

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
2. See, this is why I love DU.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:17 PM
Apr 2017

Yes. Exactly. And you would not believe how long it has taken me to learn how to stand my ground, and not feel like it's my fault for doing something that sets them off.

From wiki: "microaggressions as "brief, everyday exchanges that send denigrating messages to certain individuals because of their group membership"

Cary

(11,746 posts)
53. I'm sorry you have to experience this
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:15 PM
Apr 2017

Thanks for sharing your life experience. I don't know you but from this little slice you made me feel proud of you.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
60. A slice of my own life...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:04 PM
Apr 2017

A year or so ago I was trying to cross a street in downtown Chicago. I had a migraine. I don't get headaches, just the aura which means my vision gets messed up and I get a little confused. There was a young black man next to me and I have no idea how I looked at him. I was preparing to ask him to help me across the street so I didn't get killed.

He turned to me and asked me if I had a problem because he was black. I did not have presence of mind to say "no sir, I may having a migraine and can you please help me across the street." I just said "no sir."

I feel badly about that to this day.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
61. I have had cultural misunderstandings too.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:13 PM
Apr 2017

I once made the mistake of saying thank you to a young black man who let me get in line ahead of him, and it must have looked like a conversation to his significant other. Sistah made me feel like a total shit and I even felt the heat from their group.

I felt horrible until I thought to myself. Shit, I'm practically hitting sixty and I got a beautiful, young black woman jealous. Damn, I still got it!

Cary

(11,746 posts)
63. Your story just brought that to my mind for some reason
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:18 PM
Apr 2017

I could understand how the man would have found my behavior confusing or perhaps offensive.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
64. I know it's hard. Just another example of the different experiences we all have that
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:22 PM
Apr 2017

makes it difficult to develop good relationships.

Next time, you'll know how to handle it better.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
66. Not exactly.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:25 PM
Apr 2017

I was having a migraine. I was not thinking right. Nothing I can do about that. I think it's called disconesia.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. In parts of the south...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:18 PM
Apr 2017

they call communities built around golf courses 'plantations.'

Tell me we don't have in-your-face racism just about everywhere.

And the jackass in the White House is making it worse!

Response to yallerdawg (Reply #3)

liberalhistorian

(20,825 posts)
21. Ooh, ooh, ooh, what
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:10 PM
Apr 2017

idiocy did I miss, and why do I always miss it, and the chance to stick it to trolls, around here? Lol.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
85. Was in the South only once.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:24 PM
Apr 2017

Drove through a main street in Myrtle Beach and was horrified to see the number of places with the word "Plantation" in the name. Plantation Restaurant, Plantation Hotel.

They may as well have hung the Confederate Flag and claimed it was "just heritage".

What struck me most was how "normalized" the word was---this constant message to both white and black citizens that this word was not freighted with a horrific and unexamined meaning.

And on top of this is that Myrtle Beach has a national and maybe international visitor base because of the golf course. So the town had no shame at all and expected any visitor to be of the same mindset.







volstork

(5,407 posts)
26. I would have
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:29 PM
Apr 2017

hit him with a blast from the hose. Of course, then I would likely have been hauled to jail...

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
28. Asking if he had lost one of his balls would be kind.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:34 PM
Apr 2017

it would not necessarily imply offering to help find it.

yagotme

(3,318 posts)
52. That was my immediate thought when I read that...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:07 PM
Apr 2017

"Excuse me, can I help you" "You've what? Lost your balls? Har, har, har..."

Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. The incident would not have happened.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:27 PM
Apr 2017

Similar to "driving while black", "walking/standing while black" is also an issue for some bigots.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
9. Let me put it to you this way,
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:28 PM
Apr 2017

I would not have gone up to ask him if he needed something. I didn't want to create a situation that could escalate.

But I did need to let him know that I was not intimidated.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
20. Yeah it is.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:02 PM
Apr 2017

Demonstrate a neutral way of "can I help you?" That wouldn't ruffle feathers these days.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
32. Exactly.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:49 PM
Apr 2017

Besides, there is precedent for potential hostility. He was on a strip of golfcourse property behind my property that was severely cut back a few months ago after decades of neglect. The guy who mowed it even trespassed on my property by ten feet and wiped out plants that I had along the border.

The only clues that I was targeted was that the mowing occurred the morning after board member from my Association met illegally, (sans properly noticed meeting); and the unkempt area behind the other neighbor's house was left untouched.

japple

(9,958 posts)
37. It's the same reason I was afraid to put an Obama sticker on my car. I live in
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:59 PM
Apr 2017

a very RED part of Georgia where many people in the community fly that hate flag--the confederate battle flag. I am an elderly white woman, but am still a bit nervous about having my home, my pets, or my chickens attacked.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
42. I bought Obama shirts that I carefully folded and put away for souvenirs.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:05 PM
Apr 2017

That was back in 2008. Today I would wear them, if only they fit! LOL!

japple

(9,958 posts)
51. I wish we are all able to "fly our freak flag!!" This coming from an old
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:59 PM
Apr 2017

hippie who is still alive. I was proud to be a part of the March for Women and Social Justice in Atlanta (along with 63000 others) the day tRump was installed, but I'm sure I couldn't wear the same thing I was wearing back when I was supporting McGovern for Prez. Peace and love to you dear friend!

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
31. Yes it is. You just don't tempt fate.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:43 PM
Apr 2017

And the difference in our views is exactly what happens in a divided America. Minorities and women do have different experiences and must navigate by different rules, sometimes, for their own survival.

BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
30. Agreed
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:40 PM
Apr 2017

I know some of us would want to confront this type of boorish behavior, but you did the right thing. Maybe asked him if he was there to water the plants ...........

randr

(12,420 posts)
7. Good friends in NYC has their car severely damaged last night
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:25 PM
Apr 2017

Anti Trump stickers seen as cause by cops, windows smashed.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
76. That's something I've never done, put rage invoking sticker(s) on my car. There are just way too
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:31 AM
Apr 2017

many RW crazies running around.

furtheradu

(1,865 posts)
18. PEACE to YOU & Yours
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:44 PM
Apr 2017

I appreciate Your sharing this, I agree with Your perspective, actions, & expectations. Hurts the Spirit.
I recently started a new job, trumper-boss makes it HELL, on a goood day. I walk a fine line, I don't participate in his ugly meanness. It is exhausting being vigilant & civil, not allowing him to bully me.
Last night, I knew I could not take it today, I could not keep the high ground TODAY. First time I ever called in sick with out being REALLY ill. I am gifting MySelf a Mental Health Day. Truly, if I were at work today, I'd have been fired or quit. I can't stand having to 'negotiate' around the guy's mean spirit. It isn't so bad in my community, I can stand up to the ignorance & hate-FULL ness, usually..tho I am seeing an increase in public displays of ugly, & feel I HAVE to stand up against it, specially when it hurts others.
Sorry to go off on a tear, Your story really brings up some raw emotions in me. I am sorry YOU experience these ugly interactions. Bless YOU, for standing Your Ground, with dignity & strength...& the "stink eye"!😒

ananda

(29,039 posts)
22. This is so wrong on so many levels.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:17 PM
Apr 2017

Why? Because you two couldn't just be yourselves and be neighborly with each other.

And you have had to adjust your thinking and behavior just to deal -- not fair, not right.

I .. really .. hate .. racism.

byronius

(7,432 posts)
24. As a large white male raised by a white male monster from Texas --
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:25 PM
Apr 2017

My trouble is the opposite. If I see it, if I perceive it at all, I start vibrating. It's a dangerous thing. I'm trying to avoid it at all costs, because conservatives in general give me deeply violent feelings, almost as if I'm a reversed carbon copy of my father. I was rescued by teachers and sci-fi writers from being One Of Them, but I have not yet learned to fully control my visceral reaction to being around Orcs.

I know it's a weakness to react that way. I struggle with it. Lately it's been much more difficult. They're so ironically unaware of their betrayal of the American Idea, so dedicated to gleefully celebrating murder and blood and pain and suffering in the name whatever twisted religio-racist fever-dream they live in -- they're the worst of the worst of the worst of humanity, and they've got to go.

You're a better person than I am. That golfer would not have confronted me, because once I start vibrating and my father's eyes come out of me, most people recognize the signs and back off immediately. Once the words start flowing, I get louder and meaner and finally vicious, and it's just not the way to deal with any of this at all.

But what is. What is? When the Orcs are swarming as they are -- fight or flight kicks in.

I'm trying. MLK. MLK.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
36. When I think about personal confrontations in this county, I always remember
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:59 PM
Apr 2017

what happened to Trayvon Martin. No justice in life, and even less in death. It helps temper my reaction.

byronius

(7,432 posts)
41. Wise words.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:04 PM
Apr 2017

And my problem is definitely a product of White Privilege. It's the antimatter version of what Trumpies do.

I'm aware of it, at least.

Damn do I hate those people.

Response to byronius (Reply #24)

byronius

(7,432 posts)
46. Oh, many years of therapy later, I'm much better.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:23 PM
Apr 2017

You, however, sound very judgmental and unpleasant. For which there is probably no cure.

spooky3

(34,698 posts)
47. Sounds as if you had A Close Encounter With White Male Privilege.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:41 PM
Apr 2017

Members of other groups would generally never dare to do what he tried to pull.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
57. That old guy white male autocrat is very common around here.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:53 PM
Apr 2017

They bend the rules around here so much to make sure they get the outcome they desire, that bullying is the only way to keep everyone in line. Unfortunately, they have more than a few good ole gals to help them.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
74. Created by right wing media: goal to lie to and scare old white men
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:46 AM
Apr 2017

Because lying to old white men is profitable.

But it also radicalizes old white men. No surprise they are now acting authoritarian.

http://fusion.net/the-long-lucrative-right-wing-grift-is-blowing-up-in-t-1793944216

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
75. Great article.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:19 AM
Apr 2017

Certainly right-wing media helps reinforce the image of the autocratic patriarch, but everything in traditional society has fed it since the beginning of time. Specifically, religion, which teaches us to obey the father figure in the household (Honor thy father); and traditional social etiquette, which helps reinforce the behavior of respecting your elders, no matter how off the wall and racist they may appear to us. I have personally seen the latter in operation, where Moderate Republicans have catered to right-wing lunacy because the latter was older, and well financed.

And, how does the father-figure maintain a tight ship? By bullying his subordinates.

Unfortunately, the military chain of command is no help, because men are taught to obey AND they learn that rank has its privileges. When conservative, retired officers take over the leadership roles in a civilian community, they do not transition well. That's my observation. They do not have the skillset or temperament to deal with rules that get in the way of their objectives. But, they do know how to form consensus among like-minded individuals to create the appearance of order in their own image.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
78. Exactly! Sadly, there's big money to be made in fear and hatred. Alex Jones is one example, and of
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:40 AM
Apr 2017

course there are many, and they all profit on fear and hatred ... similar to many religious outfits that also profit on fear and hatred.

Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
58. That is how I felt for many, many years.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:55 PM
Apr 2017

They have won in many ways. I live on the fringe these days. A separate peace.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
59. How well I know this...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:00 PM
Apr 2017

as a female, living in the Deep South, this is all too common. It's like they try to intimidate one into suppression and it usually stems from their own ignorance or their feelings of superiority. I can spot it a mile away and I used to try to avoid it. But, now I just wave and say "Hi, how are you doing? Beautiful weather today...", while plastering a big smile on my face.

oldcynic

(385 posts)
70. it's not just you...it's everywhere
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:34 PM
Apr 2017

Neighbor asked for recommendation of someone to cut her bushes. Gave her a name and she asked "is he white?" NOT deep south. California.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
72. Yep. When they go low, DON'T BACK DOWN. These bullies will bully until you stand up
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:52 PM
Apr 2017

to them...and then they won't.

still_one

(92,761 posts)
77. I appreciate your characterization, "on a normal day civilities just means ignoring each other"
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:32 AM
Apr 2017

because that is so true



DownriverDem

(6,278 posts)
80. What we must do - A Rant
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:29 AM
Apr 2017

I am a white female and more than anything I never want to be taken as a hating repub. I go out of my way to make sure folks know I'm not one of them.

Now if only we had stood together against trump et al last November. I kept saying folks did not know Hillary at all. She ran on the Dem Party Platform with many of Bernie's ideas. If we want to slow the repubs down we must vote in mass in 2018. There is more of us than them. We must stop attacking each other. We must be united. We must focus on defeating repubs. I'm sick of the attacks on Dems. We have a two party system. To not be united means we will fail. The repubs love our infighting.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
88. the problem is one wing of the party wants us to let them lead without question
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:24 PM
Apr 2017

when they are arguably the reason Democrats keep losing.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
89. People didn't know Hillary because Fox and Limbaugh lied about her
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:30 PM
Apr 2017

And the media focused all discussion of Hillary on her emails.


We need progressive politicians to talk about values.
And we need to fix the for-profit infotainment media so they start to talk about those values and issues.

IronLionZion

(45,895 posts)
82. I've lost friends over this election
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:35 AM
Apr 2017

Many of them refuse to believe the hate crimes on the news and aggression that minorities see every day. There is no doubt that racists have become emboldened and feel very smug about it. Misogynists and other bigots too. So it looks like that golfer wanted to intimidate you and let you know who's in power and who needs to learn their place and stop being so damn uppity.

And some minorities have become racist towards immigrants too, which I found strange. I got spit on as soon as I boarded a bus recently. I was born in America but some people can't handle that inconvenient truth.

Sorry that happened to you. I grew up with it and have come to expect a certain proportion of whites will be racist and some will enjoy their white privileges and some are good people. What bothers me more is when minorities are racist towards each other. it infuriates me so much.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
84. I have no business telling you what to do or how to feel
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:08 PM
Apr 2017

But when I read this:

"This was not an ordinary golfer looking for a lost ball. When he first came into view I was by a trellis by the property line trying to find a good spot for the new clematis that had just been delivered from Park Seed. When I stood up, he saw me and turned the cart around to approach my property line, against the grain of the fairway. I watched him and could clearly see that he was scanning my backyard, as if he were passing judgment. He just hung around, at some point he pretended to look at something on the ground, but there was nothing there. He carried himself with an autocratic air that said that he had the right to be there, doing what he was doing, until he was satisfied."

You're interpreting a lot from body language here that might not actually be there. Would it be that hard to walk up to him, smile and say "How's it going?" That would be my normal reaction to someone coming up to my property line. If that gets you a vitriolic racist reaction, so be it. Now you know. If it gets you an embarrassed smile and a "Just wondering what you are doing", then you have a pleasant conversation about gardening...



Baitball Blogger

(46,957 posts)
86. I don't mean to be offensive, but I don't know how else to explain it.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:09 PM
Apr 2017

You know how black fathers have an entirely different set of advice for their sons, than white fathers have with theirs, when they're talking about the police? This is basically the same thing. This is not a place for standard civilities. There has been quite a bit of deception going on between neighbors and that doesn't look like it has changed in twenty years.

You know what many of you are seeing for the first time with Trump? That kind of behavior is standard around here. And, trust is the first thing to go when you have neighbors who have lied to you or have withheld critical information as frequently as I have encountered. There is a backwater community here with a strong resolve, and I predicted a long time ago that this was the direction our country was headed.

In other words, I have nothing to gain in approaching the man because I wouldn't believe anything anyone would tell me around here due to the history of events that I have experienced.

Like I said, this is what America has become and will remain if those of us living on the fracture lines don't share what we know.

benld74

(9,930 posts)
90. You did well and I applaud you
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:34 PM
Apr 2017

I've noticed postings that have gotten BOLD since last year. People I know feel their rite in voicing Obama was weak/evil etc while Donnie is tough and nice.
Can't argue with them, they know they are rite. I let them spew, pick out a point they made, find fact they are wrong and throw it at them.
Rarely do they come back at me and when they do I repeat my process.
They do stop
Can't argue fact

oldcynic

(385 posts)
91. those people believe in alternative facts
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 04:35 PM
Apr 2017

Talking to computer store white millennial employee. Chat veered onto climate change and he informed me it was fake and the scientist who claimed it was real were paid off. Should have asked by whom, but realized there was no point.
I keep saying, conservatives have a different brain structure. Facts mean nothing to them. Confrontation only confirms their worst fears and makes them more determined.
Anybody listen to Wait, Wait today? Studies show conservatives will vote on attractiveness and they think orange vomit is attractive. How to change that perception?

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