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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:37 PM Jun 2012

Catholics rally at Kansas statehouse against birth control mandate

TOPEKA -- Thousands of people rallied Friday at the Kansas statehouse with Republican Gov. Sam Brownback and the state’s Roman Catholic bishops against a federal mandate for health insurance coverage of birth control, protesting it as an attack on religious freedom.

The event was part of a nationwide “Fortnight for Freedom” campaign organized by Catholic bishops nationwide in opposition to the policy announced in January by President Barack Obama.

Speakers urged the crowd to keep protesting the mandate and remain active politically.

Obama’s administration sees the policy as an attempt to ensure that women have access to contraceptives, but the Catholic bishops and other social conservatives said it would force employers to provide the coverage even if they’re affiliated with churches opposing birth control for moral reasons.


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/29/3683937/catholic-bishops-rally-draws-huge.html#storylink=cpy

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Catholics rally at Kansas statehouse against birth control mandate (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 OP
The biggest excuse in America, anymore, it's an attack on my RKP5637 Jun 2012 #1
OTOH: "Nuns celebrate Affordable Care Act victory" pnwmom Jun 2012 #9
Thanks!!! Makes me feel better!!! RKP5637 Jun 2012 #11
Fundamentalist Catholics want to OUT LAW contraception and abortion in ALL CASES. Dawson Leery Jun 2012 #2
Let the individuals decide if they want to use the coverage, no one is forcing them to use it. julian09 Jun 2012 #3
I was once employed by the Catholic church. I paid 90% of my health insurance premium. proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #4
And 28 states already have laws that require contraception to be included in insurer plans pnwmom Jun 2012 #8
They are going to have to allow married clergy at some point treestar Jun 2012 #14
Why didn't they hold a "Fortnight for Freedom" in 2000? mmonk Jun 2012 #5
The Cardinals and Bishops are going to do Dawson Leery Jun 2012 #6
98% of Catholics have used or are using birth control. So these people pnwmom Jun 2012 #7
The 1%ers claim to speak for all pstokely Jun 2012 #10
Catholics are far better than the Vatican DirkGently Jun 2012 #17
How do people care about this to the extent they go out to protest? treestar Jun 2012 #12
And in 100+ degree heat proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #13
If employers were told they could stop covering healthcare for Catholics DefenseLawyer Jun 2012 #15
Republicans and Catholics - taking us back to the glorious 1950s (before coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #16
they really make Kansas look bad demtenjeep Jun 2012 #18
My grandmother, who went to Mass every day of her life and my uncle, who was a priest, proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #19

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
1. The biggest excuse in America, anymore, it's an attack on my
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jun 2012

religious freedom. What about the freedom of others? Damn I'm tired of religious people.

One of the reasons I've grown to really dislike religion wherein for years I was just neutral... Now I find religion, much of it, obnoxious.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
9. OTOH: "Nuns celebrate Affordable Care Act victory"
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:41 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/our-battles-on-capitol-hill-will-continue/2012/06/28/gJQAGrur9V_blog.html

By Sister Simone Campbell

We at NETWORK are thrilled by the Supreme Court decision regarding the Affordable Care Act. Since the day we were founded by Catholic sisters 40 years ago, we have lobbied for access to affordable, quality healthcare. Catholic teachings about the common good and dignity of each person instruct us that this is a basic human right.

Because health-care access is an integral part of NETWORK’s mission, some may find it ironic that I was out in the country traveling on the “Nuns on the Bus” tour when the Supreme Court announced its decision in Washington.

Actually, I was in exactly the right place. Traveling from state to state, community to community, I have met hundreds of people representing the millions directly touched by this lifesaving, historic law.

SNIP

I further reflected on the journey NETWORK had taken from our founding to today. Decades of lobbying members of Congress, testifying on the Hill, organizing our activists, and writing about health care had led to this historic day. Two years ago, I wrote the “nuns’ letter” that was signed by many leaders of U.S. Catholic sisters just prior to the historic vote in Congress. Many considered that one of the critical tipping points that led to the bill’s passing. We never questioned the law’s legality, and the Supreme Court proved us right.

SNIP

Our faith tells us that access to health-care safeguards human life. This law is pro-life and we must do everything possible to preserve and expand its reach.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. Fundamentalist Catholics want to OUT LAW contraception and abortion in ALL CASES.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jun 2012

Google the terms: "Catholic Contraception." You will see page after page with links to websites and blogs of old world catholics who want to outlaw birth control and force all of us to live under theocratic edicts. These people are deranged.

 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
3. Let the individuals decide if they want to use the coverage, no one is forcing them to use it.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:12 PM
Jun 2012

I know that priests have their own form of birth control but that is no concern to the bishops. Not all who work in catholic institutions are catholic and 98% of catholics use some form of birth control in their lives. The church is forcing their employees and the fewer and fewer church attendees to leave the church. Let the faithful and unfaithful choose if they want a child now; can they risk a pregnancy due to health reasons or financial reasons. If the priests or bishops were allowed to marry, would they and their partners use protection? Is MANDATED celibacy a form of birth control? Stay out of peoples love lives and pants.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
4. I was once employed by the Catholic church. I paid 90% of my health insurance premium.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jun 2012

And it covered contraceptives.

Go figure.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
8. And 28 states already have laws that require contraception to be included in insurer plans
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:35 AM
Jun 2012

and the Bishops have never said a word about them till now.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. They are going to have to allow married clergy at some point
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:01 PM
Jun 2012

Already there are parishes without a resident pastor. They are just not getting young people into it.

It would be interesting to see if that affects the Church and makes it more liberal on the subject.

I don't even get where this stuff comes from. Is there some Bible verse? Don't know how they justify the stance against birth control. And I was raised Catholic.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
5. Why didn't they hold a "Fortnight for Freedom" in 2000?
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:36 PM
Jun 2012

In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/controversial-obama-birth-control-rule-already-law

The Bishops have turned the Church into a political partisan organization.

That is all.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
7. 98% of Catholics have used or are using birth control. So these people
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:34 AM
Jun 2012

are an unrepresentative but noisy minority.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
17. Catholics are far better than the Vatican
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:17 PM
Jun 2012

They're generally better-educated and more liberal than American Protestants.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. How do people care about this to the extent they go out to protest?
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:09 AM
Jun 2012

I have never understood it. If I don't want to use birth control, I don't. I really don't care what other women do. It's insanity. They are taking their time to protest other women getting to use birth control.

The idea it is an attack on their religious freedom is so twisted. Their freedom to control others, they mean.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
15. If employers were told they could stop covering healthcare for Catholics
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jun 2012

because God was already protecting them, would these same people cheer for the exercising of religious freedom? Is the Popemobile covered with bulletproof glass?

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
16. Republicans and Catholics - taking us back to the glorious 1950s (before
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jun 2012

SCOTUS decision in Griswold v. New Hampshire 1964 found a 'right of privacy' in the U.S. Constitution).

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
19. My grandmother, who went to Mass every day of her life and my uncle, who was a priest,
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jun 2012

and my cousin a nun - all are spinning in their graves over what the Catholic church has become. I weep for them.

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