Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:58 PM

Taverner (55,476 posts)

We are at war. You can pretend we can be one country again, but we can't.

The battle lines have been drawn and the troops are amassing on the field.

I hear many on DU who want common ground between us and the GOP. They want common ground between intelligent professors and inbred rednecks. Sorry, it isn't going to happen.

There is no chance to heal these wounds. Since Reagan, they have declared war on US. Remember "Government isn't the solution, it's the problem"?

That was code, saying we, the liberals, the progressives, the intelligent ones, the reason based community, are the problem and Lee Greenwood is the solution.

It was a declaration of war, although we didn't see it as such.

Fast forward to today - it's clear there's a war going on, and the minute we fight back, we get accused of provocation.

Some here want us to make nice with them. They want us to make nice with people who want minorities dead, women kept and our children indoctrinated with their fairy tales. They want us to make nice with people who think they can change reality just by belieiving in a different one. They want us to make nice with people who won't be happy until the middle class is long gone, and we're back in a feudal system.

Well I am here to say FUCK NICE!

I don't want common ground with these people.

I want a HIGHER ground from them, so if they are in my metaphorical cross hairs I can take them out like the pests they are. I want them gone, and I want them to be tossed to the scrapheap of history.

Do you know what these people think of you? Do you know what they call you behind closed doors - well you can probably guess because Rush has been doing it out in the open. But you women, women who want to make your own decisions - they think you are sluts. They think you are whores. They think you are less human than they are. They think you are incapable of making an intelligent decision.

They are aghast you would question their Iron and Bronze age moral code, and not do what they say. They also train other women to hate you, to view you in contempt.

Do me a favor. Google "Quiverfull Movement" right now. Then after that, google "The Phoenix and the Olive Branch." The latter is a blog run by a survivor of the Quiverfull movement, and she spills the beans on the Patriarchal Slavery that is Quiverfull.

Minorities - they do not believe you are Americans. Here, let me show you a line from De Niro's excellent movie "The Good Shepherd." Edward Wilson, a CIA operative is talking to a Mafioso who asks him what WASPS have to go back to, since the Italians have their families, etc.

Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the n****, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?

Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

This is what they, the Republicans, think of you. This is how they view you. As visitors. You are not American.

This is what they really mean when they say Obama isn't an American.

It has nothing to do with laws, and everything to do with his skin color and ethnicity.

So play nice with these people?

Sorry, I don't negotiate with terrorists.

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183 replies	Author	Time	Post
We are at war. You can pretend we can be one country again, but we can't. (Original post)	Taverner	Jun 2012	OP
K&R +1	bupkus	Jun 2012	#1
.	WilliamPitt	Jun 2012	#2
I have an awful writing block just now. I'm so happy you do not.	EFerrari	Jun 2012	#3
Long walk with headphones listening to 'My Favorite Things' by Coltrane	WilliamPitt	Jun 2012	#4
Hey, I think you'd like these.	Gregorian	Jun 2012	#29
who is the dwarf pianist?	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#147
Michel Petrucciani	M0rpheus	Jun 2012	#154
thanks. i was suprised because his hands don't look so flexible.	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#156
That is	Johnny Noshoes	Jun 2012	#159
Good article! nt	abelenkpe	Jun 2012	#45
+1.000	freshwest	Jul 2012	#177
+ 5 brazillion	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#5
Nonsense. The Ruling Class creates wars the rest of us fight	leftstreet	Jun 2012	#6
Look - I'm a Socialist and I understand this	Taverner	Jun 2012	#7
Don't fret. Half the eligible people don't vote	leftstreet	Jun 2012	#10
However, since the Glenn Beckkks and Rushes out there have stirred them up, they vote now	Taverner	Jun 2012	#13
There are a lot of people out there who don't listen to them	leftstreet	Jun 2012	#39
Better cover up	whistler162	Jun 2012	#8
Good. Let it shine, let it shine	Taverner	Jun 2012	#9
Indeed! Don't Cover Up A God Damn Thing	HangOnKids	Jun 2012	#14
I hate what they do and they can change or not, but it's gotta stop.	Tigress DEM	Jun 2012	#31
It is folly to try to divorce hatred of them from hatred of their acts.	Chan790	Jun 2012	#98
I'm with you on all points. One quibble...	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#100
Sounds to me like you hate everything	Meiko	Jun 2012	#126
I love, I hate, I dream, I think - I'm human	Taverner	Jun 2012	#157
We might define hatred as self-defense. Better writers than I can define the difference in the two..	freshwest	Jun 2012	#12
We need a lot more hate then.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#142
Excellent! K & R.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#11
Well said - rec'd - nt	Ohio Joe	Jun 2012	#15
Divide and conquer no more.	girl gone mad	Jun 2012	#16
+1	Tigress DEM	Jun 2012	#33
As a Marxist, I agree. HOWEVER.......	socialist_n_TN	Jun 2012	#68
Responsibility	Zultra	Jun 2012	#138
I don't take responsibility for the perversions of Stalinism......	socialist_n_TN	Jun 2012	#165
Not all Marxists are Bolsheviks.	baldguy	Jun 2012	#166
+1	Zorra	Jun 2012	#148
Whoa! This is the least bipartisan post I've seen all week.	hay rick	Jun 2012	#17
True	Tigress DEM	Jun 2012	#34
Bravo, Taverner. Great rant!	hifiguy	Jun 2012	#18
+100	Taverner	Jun 2012	#21
I wish we could like posts. This one deserves it!	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#74
Thanks, Odin!	hifiguy	Jun 2012	#92
Brilliant The Popeye Point	HangOnKids	Jun 2012	#93
Excellent. I agree. nt	TBF	Jun 2012	#145
I have said that we are in a cold civil war	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#19
It's going to be horrible for all parties involved, but it has to happen	Taverner	Jun 2012	#20
Some of these issues go back to 1776	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#22
No it wasn't. The South was never made to realize that it	hifiguy	Jun 2012	#25
Not sure you have it...	Taverner	Jun 2012	#79
BTW...I have no idea what I was trying to say here	Taverner	Jun 2012	#103
Ironically, it was the 19th Century's version of Bush v. Gore	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#89
It may never BE fully resolved, as in the losing side accepting reality.	Tigress DEM	Jun 2012	#38
General Sherman didn't lay waste to enough.	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#75
Forget 'liquidation.' If I had been Sherman, I would have gone all	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#90
What a horrible statement	Art_from_Ark	Jul 2012	#182
Ah yes, the ever popular "coming second civil war" rhetoric	kctim	Jun 2012	#28
Except that I am not basing this on your fantasies	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#30
That is not what is happening at all	kctim	Jul 2012	#174
I guess we all have imagined Right Wing Radio	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2012	#180
Agreed.	I Love a Mystery	Jun 2012	#78
Welcome to DU	treestar	Jun 2012	#125
Thanks, treestar!	I Love a Mystery	Jul 2012	#169
lol I love the stupid right-wing dummies, such as those on militia websites -	Dash87	Jun 2012	#116
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#139
Did you get lost on your way to that other web site?	Comrade Grumpy	Jun 2012	#143
I think it hit too close to home. lol	Dash87	Jul 2012	#171
I'm with Nadin. Right now a 'cold civil war' (but with its	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#87
The extreme can't do a thing right now.	Dash87	Jun 2012	#119
We have had a very slow up tick in violence	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#153
It would be Hitler all over again	Taverner	Jun 2012	#158
So we are at war and can't be one country again	kctim	Jun 2012	#23
You really NEED to pick up a history book	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#40
Sigh - it seems like too many Americans want to hide behind their teddy bears	Taverner	Jun 2012	#50
It's not about fomenting change	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#57
+1	LiberalLoner	Jun 2012	#81
Nadin, hate to burst your bubble about "Holocaust survivors and the Germans	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#91
I am not talking of good germans or bad germans	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#107
Ah, got you. I agree that the Holocaust would have been	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#111
Yup, read it	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#113
That's still a hotly debated question	RZM	Jun 2012	#117
It wouldn't be academia without 'critics'. I must confess I have	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#121
Well by the 1940s there were still Germans who did not know	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#123
You raise a very interesting question about Abu Ghraib. I was	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#124
So you were in the somewhat aware group	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#129
It reminds me of some things I studied in college on political violence.	Chan790	Jun 2012	#104
Exactly, and that is something that	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#109
Since most of the organized mass killing was going on in Poland and not in	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#122
A professor in college who is an expert in the field.	Chan790	Jun 2012	#141
Well, you raised an interesting point in your first post, that	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#163
"The King can do no wrong!"	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#131
I understand history quite well	kctim	Jul 2012	#172
We are as exceptional as Rome, Spain, Britannia, France, the Netherlands	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2012	#173
It's been a long struggle and some people are fully tired of being nice.	Tigress DEM	Jun 2012	#52
Yeah, "read a book!"	zappaman	Jun 2012	#58
Hmmmm.......	socialist_n_TN	Jun 2012	#65
what in the hell are you talking about?	Doctor_J	Jun 2012	#134
BS	kctim	Jul 2012	#176
oh, man	Doctor_J	Jul 2012	#178
Oh, brother	kctim	Jul 2012	#179
The only possible way there could be common ground	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#24
Sounds like a plan n/t	Taverner	Jun 2012	#48
I think it would take 3-4 year 2008 style electoral thrashings in a row.	stevenleser	Jun 2012	#51
I agree with you. Dems would need full control of all 3	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#94
Yeah, that's what I heard.	Igel	Jun 2012	#59
I hope you will work some of your thoughts here into an original post. I'd love	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#95
Peace comes from within	Herlong	Jun 2012	#133
I'm in 100% Agreement with you on this	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2012	#26
Watched a teacher complain once.	Igel	Jun 2012	#61
I'd like to see a link	pscot	Jun 2012	#130
me too. i would like to see a link.	ret5hd	Jun 2012	#160
Your thread means to me that we need a new Congress that will take care of the	DhhD	Jun 2012	#167
recommend	phantom power	Jun 2012	#27
I love that last line.	skydive forever	Jun 2012	#32
Phew. It's sobering to see reality. But at least we see it now.	Gregorian	Jun 2012	#35
People who are at war don't vote in common elections.	former9thward	Jun 2012	#36
.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#44
LOL!	MineralMan	Jun 2012	#84
BRAVO!!!	AynRandCollectedSS	Jun 2012	#37
There is a bullshit truism	agent46	Jun 2012	#41
What's your plan	pintobean	Jun 2012	#42
Don't give up one inch, that's my solution	Taverner	Jun 2012	#47
They're already	pintobean	Jun 2012	#49
Full-Auto Baby!!! nt	greytdemocrat	Jun 2012	#66
That's not really a plan, you know.	MineralMan	Jun 2012	#83
OH, I get it.	HALO141	Jun 2012	#43
Your not alone in your thoughs...	Mockingjay	Jun 2012	#46
There are those who are saying we will always lose as long as it is okay with us to allow	patrice	Jun 2012	#53
Stop, Hey what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down.	Lint Head	Jun 2012	#54
This thread sponsored by	deaniac21	Jun 2012	#55
Our side is at war with	Jamaal510	Jun 2012	#56
Well said, Jamaal.	freshwest	Feb 2013	#183
sadly, I have to agree	magical thyme	Jun 2012	#60
I am very sorry to hear of this - makes the 'civil war' alluded to in the OP and	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#99
Do you know what these people think of you?	abelenkpe	Jun 2012	#62
We have to kill it nt	Taverner	Jun 2012	#63
I'm very sorry to hear about this familial civil war. When the price of maintaining	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#106
Wish we could get along	abelenkpe	Jul 2012	#170
You're describing what has happened in a lot of families!	LongTomH	Jun 2012	#149
"Negotiating with terrorists" is an accurate analogy.	TrollBuster9090	Jun 2012	#64
Fast and Furious is a great example.	rufus dog	Jun 2012	#67
No, we instead must fight the enemy, not ourselves.	chknltl	Jun 2012	#69
I agree.	Laelth	Jun 2012	#82
Then it is up to us on the left to open his eyes.	chknltl	Jun 2012	#168
ironically, they are all being brainwashed by the corporate media they call 'liberal'	Ghost of Huey Long	Jun 2012	#88
The same tactics used to conquer the right, worked against the left too!	chknltl	Jun 2012	#164
Reminds me of this quote-	Snarkoleptic	Jun 2012	#70
The nativist "Know Nothings" applied a name that fit Mr. Asimov's quote.	gordianot	Jun 2012	#80
That is one hell of a quote. Thanks - n/t	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#108
The blue is still blue but the gray has turned red.	Kablooie	Jun 2012	#71
The Civil War	DonCoquixote	Jun 2012	#72
A-FUCKING-MEN!	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#73
Not sure if we have ever been one country.	tblue	Jun 2012	#76
Here's one of the main causes of our polarization:	flamingdem	Jun 2012	#77
I think you need a slogan:	MineralMan	Jun 2012	#85
The 6 Walton heirs between them control as much wealth as the bottom 30 million Americans. Stop	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#86
The Walton "heirs" should be strung up	hifiguy	Jun 2012	#96
Gates himself did not invent Windows. Aside from its origins	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#102
This post is utterly disgraceful	mythology	Jun 2012	#161
This is what the powers that be want. You are starting a war w/o an end like	Dustlawyer	Jun 2012	#97
I DO like your thinking and I'm VERY glad that you were able..........	socialist_n_TN	Jun 2012	#101
So if the working class does not agree with you, it's war on their behalf anyways?	randome	Jun 2012	#112
I'll repeat. Fascism is NEVER an option.........	socialist_n_TN	Jun 2012	#128
Most of the ignorant Republicans are in complete denial where they are	Taverner	Jun 2012	#137
+1. I bet you didn't start out by telling him he was ignorant & brainwashed & didn't know his own	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#150
I thought this was an interesting article...	RevStPatrick	Jun 2012	#105
bravo	heaven05	Jun 2012	#110
We need to stop playing the game they set up for us.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#114
There should be common ground among us.	DearAbby	Jun 2012	#115
HUGE K & R !!!	WillyT	Jun 2012	#118
This is the classic mistake of the American liberal . . . it's 'American exceptionalism' in reverse	RZM	Jun 2012	#120
K & R!	lonestarnot	Jun 2012	#127
Damn!!! That just about said it all, right there!	Homer Wells	Jun 2012	#132
How underground does this democratic underground go?	Herlong	Jun 2012	#135
Oh I'm sorry. Every time we extend our hands, they get chewed on mercilessly.	Taverner	Jun 2012	#136
I'm saying I want a HIGHER ground from them	Herlong	Jun 2012	#144
I don't want common ground with these people.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#140
!	Phlem	Jun 2012	#146
Where?	dtom67	Jun 2012	#151
the other side needs this, we don't	Enrique	Jun 2012	#152
Why play nice with a bunch of terrorists?	Rex	Jun 2012	#155
This message was self-deleted by its author	Herlong	Jun 2012	#162
K&R	B Calm	Jul 2012	#175
K&R	Herlong	Jul 2012	#181

Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 05:07 PM

bupkus (1,981 posts)

1. K&R +1

There is no common ground with these people because they refuse to consider any ground common ground.

They just want THEIR country back. But it isn't their country. It's OUR country.

Enough is enough. No more dealing with traitors. No more negotiating with the enemy.

We want OUR country back. Our country that was ruled by intellect not by superstition. Where government offered solutions to society's problems that only government could handle. Where education was valued for learning, not an opportunity for indoctrination. Where society moved ahead, not back to the Dark Ages.

We are at war. You can pretend we can be one country again, but we can't.

1. K&R +1

2. .

3. I have an awful writing block just now. I'm so happy you do not.

4. Long walk with headphones listening to 'My Favorite Things' by Coltrane

29. Hey, I think you'd like these.

147. who is the dwarf pianist?

154. Michel Petrucciani

156. thanks. i was suprised because his hands don't look so flexible.

159. That is

45. Good article! nt

177. +1.000

5. + 5 brazillion

6. Nonsense. The Ruling Class creates wars the rest of us fight

7. Look - I'm a Socialist and I understand this

10. Don't fret. Half the eligible people don't vote

13. However, since the Glenn Beckkks and Rushes out there have stirred them up, they vote now

39. There are a lot of people out there who don't listen to them

8. Better cover up

9. Good. Let it shine, let it shine

14. Indeed! Don't Cover Up A God Damn Thing

31. I hate what they do and they can change or not, but it's gotta stop.

98. It is folly to try to divorce hatred of them from hatred of their acts.

100. I'm with you on all points. One quibble...

126. Sounds to me like you hate everything

157. I love, I hate, I dream, I think - I'm human

12. We might define hatred as self-defense. Better writers than I can define the difference in the two..

142. We need a lot more hate then.

11. Excellent! K & R.

15. Well said - rec'd - nt

16. Divide and conquer no more.

33. +1

68. As a Marxist, I agree. HOWEVER.......

138. Responsibility

165. I don't take responsibility for the perversions of Stalinism......

166. Not all Marxists are Bolsheviks.

148. +1

17. Whoa! This is the least bipartisan post I've seen all week.

34. True

18. Bravo, Taverner. Great rant!

21. +100

74. I wish we could like posts. This one deserves it!

92. Thanks, Odin!

93. Brilliant The Popeye Point

145. Excellent. I agree. nt

19. I have said that we are in a cold civil war

20. It's going to be horrible for all parties involved, but it has to happen

22. Some of these issues go back to 1776

25. No it wasn't. The South was never made to realize that it

79. Not sure you have it...

103. BTW...I have no idea what I was trying to say here

89. Ironically, it was the 19th Century's version of Bush v. Gore

38. It may never BE fully resolved, as in the losing side accepting reality.

75. General Sherman didn't lay waste to enough.

90. Forget 'liquidation.' If I had been Sherman, I would have gone all

182. What a horrible statement

28. Ah yes, the ever popular "coming second civil war" rhetoric

30. Except that I am not basing this on your fantasies

174. That is not what is happening at all

180. I guess we all have imagined Right Wing Radio

78. Agreed.

125. Welcome to DU

169. Thanks, treestar!

116. lol I love the stupid right-wing dummies, such as those on militia websites -

143. Did you get lost on your way to that other web site?

171. I think it hit too close to home. lol

87. I'm with Nadin. Right now a 'cold civil war' (but with its

119. The extreme can't do a thing right now.

153. We have had a very slow up tick in violence

158. It would be Hitler all over again

23. So we are at war and can't be one country again

40. You really NEED to pick up a history book

50. Sigh - it seems like too many Americans want to hide behind their teddy bears

57. It's not about fomenting change

81. +1

91. Nadin, hate to burst your bubble about "Holocaust survivors and the Germans

107. I am not talking of good germans or bad germans

111. Ah, got you. I agree that the Holocaust would have been

113. Yup, read it

117. That's still a hotly debated question