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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsManchin just voted "aye" for Sessions!
Hope all Democrats remember that, among other votes of his.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)because i dont
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)former9thward
(32,165 posts)He spent $12 million back in 1984 to win the Senate (just barely) back when $12 million was a ton of money in a small state like WV.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)alp227
(32,078 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Is that he will, despite his betrayal of everything our party should stand for, be replaced by a Teapot!
The old saying "Better to die like a lion than live like a lamb" isn't what we're talking about in West Virginia, it's "Better to die like a lion than be slaughtered like a lamb."
Come next election, Joe will just become the latest lamb to be sacrificed on the altar of moderation.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,151 posts)fascists more power to kill you.
Manchin is a prick, but if he is the Dem on the ticket, he is our prick.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Manchin is playing it like an Independent.
How the hell would Manchin's vote change one damn thing?
I've seen much worse Blue Dogs - and back in 2010 we purged a lot of them.
46 Democrats. We can't start by us picking off our own!
still_one
(92,526 posts)The question is what do we as a party stand for?
I believe Sessions at the minimum has racist views, if not being a bonafide racist.
What are we as a party willing to compromise on in order to get a Democratic majority?
The republicans sold their soul for the Southern Strategy, I would not want our party to do the same
I believe there are issues as a party we can disagree on, but I also believe there are certain fundamental issues that are non-negotiable.
Civil rights, women's rights, social security, medicare, healthcare for all Americans are issues we cannot compromise on, and still remain as a party
Would we feel the same way toward a Democrat if David Duke was trump's appointment for AG, and they voted for him?
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Manchin is going to lose in 2018. The Republicans will run a Trumpster and he will wipe the floor with Manchin. Trump beat Hillary by 40 flippin percent. He outperformed Romney by 15 points. The people saying "We're such realists and adults because we understand that sometimes you have to compromise to win" are living in the ultimate fantasy world . . . the one where Manchin has a snowball's chance in he'll in 2018.
Manchin had a chance to stand for something before the inevitable happens in 2018 and he stood for a racist MF named Jefferson Beauregard Sessions.
mopinko
(70,388 posts)we are in a new universe. some old rules might apply, but not sure how many.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)In 2012, 40% voted for a Felon in the Democratic Primary instead of Barack Obama. Not to mention the state went to Trump by a margin of 47%.
Manchin is more or less in the mold of the Dems that get elected in that state.
golfguru
(4,987 posts)He voted to gain maximum political advantage for himself.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Same result
CanonRay
(14,146 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Dinos Must Go!
Ace Rothstein
(3,201 posts)oasis
(49,490 posts)ancient history, Manchin would look like a hypocrite if he used Session's racist past as an excuse to vote against him.
That's the first thing West Virginians would throw up in his face.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)JI7
(89,289 posts)Obama in 2012.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)theglammistress
(348 posts)Frankly I was stunned when he voted against DeVos.
Machin is worthless and in some ways I think it would be better if he just because an R already.
He's going to lunch at the White House so Trump can schmooze him on Gorsuch too. Basically, in the end, we're screwed when we can't count on the people on our "side."
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)on Twitter.
Cha
(298,077 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Cha
(298,077 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sessions and Manchin have a drastically different voting record. Sessions is still well within reason when it comes to Manchins constituents. Seems to be an appropriate vote for him.
JI7
(89,289 posts)This is the best we will get from WV
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)A real progressive is not going to win in a ruby red state. Would we rather a Republican replace him?
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Would you rather a West Virginia republican take his seat so that we then have a person that oppose us 100% instead of work with us 80%? This purity nonsense is what kills us, especially when applied to red states.
BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)Crickets would ensue.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)News Flash people: "Democrat" doesn't mean "liberal"- Ever since the 80s all it really means is "less right wing than the Republicans"
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Will knife their guts out instead of punch them in the stomach occasionally.
hatrack
(59,606 posts). . . and shreds voting protections, and further politicizes the FBI, and toddles right along with immigrant bans, internment camps and suspension of civil liberties . . .
We can stand proud, knowing that we got to clean out the rationalization barrel in defense of a barely Democratic Senator for the remaining 18 months of his term, because after all, we're not going to get a Paul Wellstone in West Virginia.
Paladin
(28,287 posts)I want some payback for this treachery. I want Manchin to pay a price for this.
doc03
(35,454 posts)WV are bat shit crazy Trumpanistas.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)West Virginia is a lost cause for now. If dems can figure out a path forwards out of the coal-based economy of theirs, they can gain the state back. But for now too many brainwashed trumpets there.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Could hang on. The guy WAS a twice elected Governor for that state.
jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)Showed up for the Devos hearing, like the complete asshole he is.
kevink077
(365 posts)He represents an ultra conservative state. Dems cannot afford to lose this seat right now. No liberal would have a chance here. I would rather have half a loaf out of West Virginia than nothing. If he was from a blue or purple state-I would say "primary him".
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)(unless they aren't super progressives".)
Manchin isn't my favorite Sen, but he's not some burden foisted among the Democrats in WV. WV Dems voted 40% for a prison inmate instead of Obama in the Democratic primary and the fact that Trump won by 47% means that he picked up a wide swathed of Dems. He is in the mold of Dems that they elect. Yes, they're basically the Democratic party's conservative cousin.
George II
(67,782 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I mean he's not my favorite Senator, but they act like WV Dems are super progressives who've had this DINO foisted upon them and then in the next breath call for a 50 state party.
He's not taking votes that his constituents are raging at. Hell, his pro-Obama & gun control votes probably caused more ire among his constituents than any of his pro-Trump nonsense.
George II
(67,782 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,388 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Freedomofspeech
(4,230 posts)Why doesn't he just become an repug?
cilla4progress
(24,802 posts)just change parties FFS
Takket
(21,715 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)He'll either be booted in 2018 or switch parties.
My prediction:
Sometime in 2018 or 2019 he'll put out a statement to the effect of:
"I have come to realize the Democratic Party no longer represents the values of myself or my fellow West Virginians. So after prayerful consideration and discussion with my family, I have made the decision to leave the Democratic Party so that I may better serve the people of West Virginia in the Senate."