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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout that "coup" theory.
I'll just leave this here:
Link to tweet
I suggest reading the whole Scalzi piece linked in Doctorow's tweet.
jpljr77
(1,004 posts)There is no master plan or secret agenda or larger conspiracy at work. It's just pure id, the same id that led many sane people to, let's say, intellectually stumble in November.
Mister Ed
(5,938 posts)Ewwww.
Raster
(20,998 posts)underpants
(182,823 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Which is how they got the Breexit vote to happen, which is how they got Trump elected.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5qubcp/donald_trump_replaces_military_chief_on_national/dd27ge9/
Yes, very much so, having "failed so much" is actually part of the way that they intend to take power and more power and more power.
The only question that remains in my mind is whether we will be able to resist it given the design of the system. I think so. But it'll be rough.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)I hope we're wrong.
butdiduvote
(284 posts)Maybe plotting a coup could actually get him impeached and his team thrown out. They just don't know what they're doing, and no one is there to stop them from behaving so stupidly because the voters gave them total control. I miss having people with brains running my country. God do I miss Hillary's intelligence right now.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)how do we get out of it?
2naSalit
(86,638 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)brush
(53,784 posts)Hell no. No one thinks those two are that smart, and they're proving it by the mess they've made in ten days in office.
Try the combination of Comey, Putin, Assange, various state Secretaries of State employing Crosscheck and other voter
suppression methods of POC votes that's who pulled it off.
trump was even flabbergasted that he "won".
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)to pay any attention to that.
MrPurple
(985 posts)he'd purposely act surprised when he won
brush
(53,784 posts)officials all over the country trying to suppress the POC is what repugs always do. It was nothing that trump engineered at all, it's what they do.
Telling them not to is like telling a fish not to swim.
Yeah trump was surprised. He can thank all of those repug crooks. Comey especially.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Nitram
(22,803 posts)They have no knowledge of the levers of power. They couldn't coordinate a putsch. They couldn't coordinate a kid's birthday party. They are only good at propaganda, misinformation, disinformation and lies. Amateur Hour at the White House. This is going to be a case of "the harder the come, the harder they fall." The damage they will do in the meantime aside, make a great Marx Bros movie.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and you think they're bumbling?
Nope. They're shock doctrining.
Nitram
(22,803 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)too much of a joke to do so. He's a joke alright, but it's not funny.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Yeah I remember that happening, I was there. You are correct he is a joke, but not in the funny way.
brush
(53,784 posts)They were just there and benefited from the repug vote suppression machine/Crosscheck/vote hacking and Comey.
Putin helped. trump was aware that Putin was working for him but all the rest ... nah, he was just in the right place at the right time.
It could've been Cruz or Kacish or Jeb, whoever got the nomination.
trump and Bannon? Hah! Give us a break.
What genius listens to a white supremacist web site manager and makes him his chief advisor and puts him on the NSC?
Not smart.
Look at how they've screwed up in their first 10 days in office.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and the KGOP is too drunk with power to stop him
Nitram
(22,803 posts)Muslims and immigrants. America has always had a streak of xenophobia. Just look at the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, and the many restrictions on immigration in our history including Jews, eastern Europeans, Chinese and numerous other nationalities and ethnicities.
brush
(53,784 posts)My point though was trump is only in the White House, and Bannon, the white supremacist is only chief advisor and on the NSC because the repugs have internalized cheating to the umpth degree.
Those two don't get the credit for gerrymandering, interstate crosscheck, vote suppression of POCs, Comey's letter and Russian interference in our election.
Nitram
(22,803 posts)But I'll bet it was a large percentage based on discussions I'm having with Trump supporters.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)the beginning of this shitstorm?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Attributing coups, shock deflections, or any Machiavellian act to this gaggle of buffoons is on the same plane of absurdity as Gilligan and the Skipper being the secret cabal of composers behind Schubert's sonatas.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Neverthess, many is the slip twixt the cup and the lip, and we should be vigilant for major disruptions and violent attacks at a minimum.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)...just more confirmation we are being by incompetent insaneasylum escapees. It would be of a modicum of comfort to think they actually know what they are doing. Even if it is entirely evil.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Now we accept a foreign power helping when one party wins. Funny thing, it is always the same party! Always those ratfucking GOPers!
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)Agree Trump is just not very smart and the rest of his cabal,
in spite of all their mean-nature, are total screwups.
VOX
(22,976 posts)He was nuts and on something like 75+ medications per day. But his Brownshirts and SA/SS muscle, his propaganda, his cadre of ghouls and a compliant citizenry allowed him to wreak maximum death and destruction, including, in the end, to his own country and fellow-citizens.
Not saying Trump & Bannon are Adolf and Goebbels, or some sort of masterminds, but they should never be underestimated in regard to the lasting damage they can wreak on this country.
The push-back has to be strong and unrelenting. Not a moment should be lost to demoralization. Just dig in an fight harder. Do not yield an inch to these deplorable bastards.
Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)in her thread she about the "trial balloon for a coup" thing.
Weak and Incompetent Leaders act like Strong Leaders
https://tompepinsky.com/2017/01/30/weak-and-incompetent-leaders-act-like-strong-leaders/
That was very interesting reading and certainly Traitor Trump's behavior's are a classic example of those of someone with a malignant narcissistic personality disorder. Does this mean that he's actually weak? Perhaps. In my ramblings across the Internet, I have come across articles written by respected psychologists who disagree about this point. They agree he's a narcissist, but disagree about the etiology behind his narcissism which could be a deep inner dark hole (weak) or else a soullessness which would render him ruthless (strong). Who can really say?
However, a panic driven, weak narcissist can wreck as much or more damage than a strong dictator. Push him or attempt to back him in a corner and he'll respond with a primal fury that springs from his deep seated loss of self which must remain hidden and protected at all costs. Since a narcissist has no moral compass, no empathy or compassion, he can commit horrible atrocities and never lose a single moment of sleep or admit to even the smallest of wrong doings. I'm no psychologist - just throwing a few things I have been reading - that are well sourced - out there for consideration.
The other thing - I believe it was Mineralman who posted about this - is that the Traitor's antics will keep us all distracted while the Republican party led by piranhas like Paul Ryan tear apart the very fabric of country with no one to stop them and the Koch brothers cheering them on. We need to watch what's happening closely and take the time to sift the truth from the lies and beware of Cheshire Cats.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)and Russian oligarchy. The media has forgotten about it and we are not even talking about it. I thought Maxine Waters was about to blow the lid off something related to this but that too fizzled.
Trump does not deserve to make this SCOTUS appointment because of the way he won the election and because far more citizens voted against him than for him.
We are once again being played by the entertainer-in-chief. Even the Democrats in the Senate and House are forgetting about it. We must admit, they are good at what they do and we are fools for falling for it. I literally sent out tweets, emails, and letters to Democratic Senators raising the issues of alleged links between Russia and Trump staff before during and after the election, the misbehavior of the FBI Director, and the thrashing of our Intel service by Trump. I receive responses from no one. Not even to the many Tweets sent. And we wonder why the GOP and Trump won this past election.
Not one Democratic spokesperson that I have seen these past 8 days has even mentioned this in interviews except for Maxine Waters and John Lewis.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... The battle over the length and girth of his inauguration crowd has been occurring in the media, stoked by Spice bombs and other surrogates. It's a distraction. A useless fight with no goal - or actually with an irrelevant outcome. There will be more manufactured controversies rolled out as soon as that ones dies down.
I'm not saying it's 11th dimensional chess, but these people are definitely NOT idiots. They are accomplishing a lot of very bad things in an incredibly short period of time - and they want much of it to remain well below the radar. And - true to form - we're sitting back and proclaiming "yeah, but he exaggerated the size of his crowd"!
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)One thing I've always given 45* credit for is being a marketing genius.
He is...otherwise, he would have been "Donald Who?" We all knew about him for years (God, too many years) and that's all about his marketing genius.
As such, a marketing genius can look at the "market" (in this case, the people) and figure out what resonates and he did that beautifully in this campaign--he tapped into what people are not only saying they want but how they feel.
He also managed to tap into the discontentment of the Democratic party over Hillary Clinton, causing a portion of our Party or folks who would vote with our party, to sit this one out. He played all of that quite well and those that don't give him credit in that arena do so at their own detriment.