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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:22 PM Jan 2017

BREAKING: The State Department's entire senior management team just resigned.

Last edited Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Posted at 11:02 am ET today by The Washington Post:

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s job running the State Department just got considerably more difficult. The entire senior level of management officials resigned Wednesday, part of an ongoing mass exodus of senior foreign service officers who don’t want to stick around for the Trump era.

...Tillerson was actually inside the State Department’s headquarters in Foggy Bottom on Wednesday, taking meetings and getting the lay of the land. I reported Wednesday morning that the Trump team was narrowing its search for his No. 2 and three officials, and that it was looking to replace the State Department’s long-serving undersecretary for management, Patrick Kennedy. Kennedy, who has been in that job for nine years, was actively involved in the transition and was angling to keep that job under Tillerson, three State Department officials told me.

Then suddenly on Wednesday afternoon, Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.


Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?postshare=1341485447378534&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.6dddacd169b0

Edit update: Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo:

“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” says Kerry Chief of Staff David Wade.

This is bad for Tillerson. But it's bad for everyone. Kennedy was reportedly trying to stay on in his position, as I believe he did from Bush to Obama. It sure sounds like there was some precipitating event.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/top-state-dept-leadership-resigns
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BREAKING: The State Department's entire senior management team just resigned. (Original Post) kstewart33 Jan 2017 OP
MORE MORE MORE! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #1
This is what trump wants yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #37
There is a freezing hire in place ? Cryptoad Jan 2017 #39
I just put that down thread yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #44
That hiring freeze exempts people appointed by Trump. MineralMan Jan 2017 #54
Think you're right... hopefully, there are a few less warmongers in Foggy Bottom than there were yesterday. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #85
These are not appointees Drahthaardogs Jan 2017 #88
That sounds like something I need to read... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #137
It may be what he wants, but it's just another example of how stupid he is. Nitram Jan 2017 #45
And his passive aggressive supporters too, yeoman6987. Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #75
bannon mostly (and trump) want to destroy disalitervisum Jan 2017 #126
Bannon Fails To Take Into Account DallasNE Jan 2017 #129
You are wrong. This puts us in danger. Leaves too many spots for Bannon incompetents. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #50
yep heaven05 Jan 2017 #52
Exactly.. Remember when Paul Bremer was sent in to run the gov't of Iraq annabanana Jan 2017 #62
Gotta agree. cwydro Jan 2017 #102
CNN is reporting that they were fired. n/t mobeau69 Jan 2017 #70
tRump probably fired them right after he got wind of their resignations groundloop Jan 2017 #84
I know it blows a hole in the story but SCantiGOP Jan 2017 #90
Bid deal.............. MyOwnPeace Jan 2017 #2
Resist. randome Jan 2017 #3
Obstruct! Cryptoad Jan 2017 #47
Wow, that's a shock. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2017 #4
Nothing Shocks Me Anymore Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #20
There was a DU'er by that name.. denbot Jan 2017 #55
Another name I recall fondly, as well eleny Jan 2017 #57
Yes, and I tip my hat to her by using uppercase letters to type those words Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #59
BWAHAHAHA..."I AM OUTTA HERE !!!" Rustyeye77 Jan 2017 #5
Wow! Good for them!!! nt GliderGuider Jan 2017 #6
We are ungoverned and cilla4progress Jan 2017 #7
The military is still in place and they can fucnction entirely autonomosly. Nitram Jan 2017 #48
No. That would be horrible. Shadowsmith Jan 2017 #91
I do understand what you're saying and, in normal times, liberalhistorian Jan 2017 #101
Shadowsmith, I only sleep easy knowing that the military would probably refuse an order to launch Nitram Jan 2017 #113
The problem with refusing illegal orders is, what if the President's lawyers say it is legal? tclambert Jan 2017 #124
I agree tavalon Jan 2017 #132
Do you recall the 1998 movie "The Siege?" tclambert Jan 2017 #100
If it were me I'd wait to quit until the first order I could not in good conscience obey. Nitram Jan 2017 #114
Putin's plan is playing out smartly looks like workinclasszero Jan 2017 #104
Wow just wow Lotusflower70 Jan 2017 #8
Holy crap, we're not going to have a functioning state department. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #9
More isolationism, though, isn't it? nt Ilsa Jan 2017 #108
yes, Trump doesn't think we need a state department other than to process geek tragedy Jan 2017 #109
Might be Putin's orders lostnfound Jan 2017 #122
Wow. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #10
XL and DAPL pipeline Exec Orders I'd bet underpants Jan 2017 #11
Wow - could that mean that taxpayers might actually end up funding that disastrous pipeline karynnj Jan 2017 #29
the pipeline TeddyBear 1 Jan 2017 #42
Guess who is the biggest foreign lease holder TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #81
Excellent. Let's see more of this from other Departments and Agencies. MineralMan Jan 2017 #12
Why would The Donald be concerned about knowledge or experience? csziggy Jan 2017 #111
Makes sense Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #13
Probably worse get the red out Jan 2017 #25
You are right. More oil CEO's Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #32
Can't wait to see how Sean Sphincter will spin this central scrutinizer Jan 2017 #14
Both gratifying and terrifying at the same time frazzled Jan 2017 #15
+1 narnian60 Jan 2017 #66
More likely with former ExxonMobil people lostnfound Jan 2017 #123
And the Trump appointees are going to wonder why the civilized world... hunter Jan 2017 #16
Oh my just thought of something......federal job hire freeze!!!! yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #41
Holy Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #17
Awwww Fork!!! benld74 Jan 2017 #18
Not going to be the fall guys for the idiot at the top. ffr Jan 2017 #19
This news item does two things: Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #21
Experience is for losers and other snowflakes IronLionZion Jan 2017 #22
This I have a great deal of respect for lunatica Jan 2017 #23
Me too harun Jan 2017 #92
K&R Gothmog Jan 2017 #24
Keep an eye on where the State Department Officials move to Captain_New_York Jan 2017 #26
This reminds me of the Watergate era "Saturday night massacre," when Nixon fired Special Prosecutor Tanuki Jan 2017 #27
May history repeat itself with Tillerson and Trump lunatica Jan 2017 #30
does anyone bdamomma Jan 2017 #28
No - because the career leadership in the departments would not have the power if they stayed to karynnj Jan 2017 #36
Trump does not have enough foresight to have a plan. gordianot Jan 2017 #58
Good for them. gademocrat7 Jan 2017 #31
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! logosoco Jan 2017 #33
Holy crap! NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #34
Who would want the Trump years on their resume? Renew Deal Jan 2017 #35
Jared Kushner? Ivanka Trump? NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #60
WOW!!!! ailsagirl Jan 2017 #38
Nobody wants get stuck with that cleanup on aisle five elehhhhna Jan 2017 #40
Kennedy, Barr and Bond are mid to late '60s in age, so retirement is expected. FarCenter Jan 2017 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author PragmaticLiberal Jan 2017 #46
Bravo to your Bravo ailsagirl Jan 2017 #49
He might put puppets in but make no mistake, this is a FABULOUS thing. nolabear Jan 2017 #51
This is bad. UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #53
Is there any equivalent precedence for this in American history? ffr Jan 2017 #56
Holy Shit! liberal N proud Jan 2017 #61
This is not good. GoCubsGo Jan 2017 #63
I know a few people there looking for opportunities elsewhere Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2017 #64
Whe I hear 'Rex Tillerson' I can only think of the seattle Supervillan, Rex Velvet. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #65
I think Rex Tillerson C_U_L8R Jan 2017 #77
This is certainlygood news for Putin! 3_Limes Jan 2017 #67
What does this mean for getting visa's to other countries, they will start downgrading the U.S. for NotThisTime Jan 2017 #68
They would have been ignored or outright dismissed anyway. ALBliberal Jan 2017 #69
And more scary news just in... BRMCOne Jan 2017 #71
Republicans like to call their wives "mommy" SecularMotion Jan 2017 #72
I'm sure we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg here world wide wally Jan 2017 #73
To paraphrase former Veep BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #74
Need a little help lakercub Jan 2017 #76
Just more big oil in our government ... pbmus Jan 2017 #78
RESIST! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #79
What is the alternative fact here? CNN has it reported very differently NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #80
If they handed in their resignations, they resigned. marybourg Jan 2017 #82
Yup. I agree NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #83
I'm also understanding that it is custom for all state dept. employees to hand in their resignations The Wielding Truth Jan 2017 #136
Nobody with an ounce of moral code wants anything to do with Trump. Rex Jan 2017 #86
Knr Hekate Jan 2017 #87
And Here's The Best Part Of It ChoppinBroccoli Jan 2017 #89
just now 1:16 pm cst. cnn reported they were all FIRED. not resigned. spanone Jan 2017 #93
It's standard practive getting old in mke Jan 2017 #98
doesn't really matter, they're gone. spanone Jan 2017 #99
I don't believe anything that comes out of this illegitimate administration. rzemanfl Jan 2017 #106
I'd prefer they stay on their position but refuse to follow his orders. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #94
Wow. catbyte Jan 2017 #95
Big difference...... dawnie51 Jan 2017 #96
Huh? n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #105
These people, who either quit from or were fired by the Drumpf Administration, deserve respect rzemanfl Jan 2017 #107
It was just reported that they were fired. WTH is going on? Hekate Jan 2017 #97
See my post above, #90 SCantiGOP Jan 2017 #103
From Benedict Donald's crew?! Not so much uponit7771 Jan 2017 #116
I have a feeling that EXXON is about to lose its entire top staff, so they can fill the vacuum TrollBuster9090 Jan 2017 #110
They were fired Moral Compass Jan 2017 #112
Says who? MiniPoots crew? I don't believe a damn thing they say uponit7771 Jan 2017 #117
GENERAL STRIKE!!!! - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2017 #115
That only works in France, which is much smaller than the US. Hekate Jan 2017 #118
Bullshit. If the entire federal civil service walked out, it would render the county instantly KingCharlemagne Jan 2017 #119
Okay. I won't hold my breath, but be sure to call me when it happens. Hekate Jan 2017 #125
Can't call you -- don't have your number -- but I read this article and thought of you: KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #138
Conservative media is saying that they were fired... kentuck Jan 2017 #120
Clearly they are outsourcing this department to Russia lostnfound Jan 2017 #121
Tillerson is a Russian asset? orangecrush Jan 2017 #127
Yes, I'm of the same mind. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #134
If they are political appointees then they were likely fired... Imajika Jan 2017 #128
It's VERY unusual for them to leave so soon. They usually stay for a few months to catbyte Jan 2017 #131
There are several former SOS shaking their heads in wonder right now. Beacool Jan 2017 #130
This was done for a reason watoos Jan 2017 #133
Seems to Coincide With Ongoing Purge in Russia ... TomCADem Jan 2017 #135

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
1. MORE MORE MORE!
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:24 PM
Jan 2017

Let this spread to other Departments to put tbe pressure on Republicans.

THEY OWN THIS TRUMP MESS!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
37. This is what trump wants
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jan 2017

He gets to put him own yes people in. Cut the state department to bare bones.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
44. I just put that down thread
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jan 2017

I hope someone tells trumpie he can't hire. He's getting what he deserves not even a week in.

MineralMan

(146,392 posts)
54. That hiring freeze exempts people appointed by Trump.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:24 PM
Jan 2017

I read it this morning, and there is an exemption written into it.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,137 posts)
85. Think you're right... hopefully, there are a few less warmongers in Foggy Bottom than there were yesterday.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:56 PM
Jan 2017

2naSalit

(87,405 posts)
137. That sounds like something I need to read...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:06 PM
Jan 2017

I have been out of town all weekend, I knew there'd be some additional crap taking place.

Nitram

(23,212 posts)
45. It may be what he wants, but it's just another example of how stupid he is.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jan 2017

He is going to look so bad trying to run things without people who know what they are doing to help him. I predict a MASSIVE FAIL!

 

disalitervisum

(470 posts)
126. bannon mostly (and trump) want to destroy
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:42 PM
Jan 2017

the career government civil service corps. Bannon especially, because he understands that doing so removes a major check on the executive power. trump only understands it because bannon explained it to him.

The checks and balances provided by the founders that exist within the constitution are the formal ones. The informal check on executive power provided by the career civil service is a result of the evolution of government, and allows for continuity and stability across varying degrees of radicalism or madness that may exist within the executive.

If allowed to continue, this course soon leads to the absence of anyone within government who has the ability to oppose or question policies put forth by the executive. Witness the gag orders already issued for various agencies.

Bannon and his wing of the tea party want to burn down the whole show and remake it in their image. This is their stated goal, which dovetails nicely with today's attack on the media by Bannon, who said "the media should just shut up," and "the media is the opposition party."

DallasNE

(7,415 posts)
129. Bannon Fails To Take Into Account
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:29 AM
Jan 2017

Trump's plunging poll numbers. His first approval rating after being sworn in is just 32 percent, while other incoming President's typically enjoy a 70% approval rating in this honeymoon period. This is affect races such as in Virginia later this year and cause Republican up in 2018 to start to distance themselves from Trump shortly. Bannon has time to burn it down but not enough to put it back together again due to the pushback. And there will be leakers, gag order or not.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
62. Exactly.. Remember when Paul Bremer was sent in to run the gov't of Iraq
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jan 2017

after Shock & Awe? He went in with grad school Randian neophytes determined to set up their idea of a perfect (small) government.

This is what will happen to us.

SCantiGOP

(13,883 posts)
90. I know it blows a hole in the story but
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jan 2017

These folks, as is custom, all handed in letters of resignation when the new President was sworn in. It is then up to the incoming Secretary to decide which he/she will accept. All of these people were told that they were no longer needed in their job.

Amended for link, from CNN:

Patrick Kennedy, who served for nine years as the undersecretary for management, Assistant Secretaries for Administration and Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Joyce Anne Barr, and Ambassador Gentry Smith, director of the Office for Foreign Missions, were sent letters by the White House that their service was no longer required, the sources told CNN.
All four, career officers serving in positions appointed by the President, submitted letters of resignation per tradition at the beginning of a new administration.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/index.html

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Resist.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:24 PM
Jan 2017

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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Nitram

(23,212 posts)
48. The military is still in place and they can fucnction entirely autonomosly.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:11 PM
Jan 2017

If push comes to shove, if the U.S. is in danger, the military will ignore the Dumpster and take things into their own hands. Yes, I know, that's not an ideal situation, but I am confident our military will keep their guard up and will be only too happy to be back under the control of a sane Commander-in-Chief.

Shadowsmith

(26 posts)
91. No. That would be horrible.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jan 2017

Our military must follow the orders of the Commander in Chief unless the orders are illegal. Anything else simply creates a terrifying precedent and would set us on a path to military rule.

I hate Trump and I'm terrified of what he's going to do to this country. But having the military take independent action is worse. We need our military to remain under civilian control.

liberalhistorian

(20,824 posts)
101. I do understand what you're saying and, in normal times,
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 04:42 PM
Jan 2017

I would agree with you. But these are not normal times, not at all. If Drumpf causes or starts an illegal war with a strong country that would wreak havoc on us, or order invasions of American cities (neither of which I'd put past him at all), I WANT the military to refuse his orders and take independent action to do so.

Nitram

(23,212 posts)
113. Shadowsmith, I only sleep easy knowing that the military would probably refuse an order to launch
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:46 PM
Jan 2017

an unnecessary nuclear attack on another country if Trump ordered it. I sleep easy knowing the the military will continue to function even if the Commander-in-Chief is dysfunctional. It is a comfort to think the military might disobey this particular Commander-in-Chief. Do you disagree?

tclambert

(11,089 posts)
124. The problem with refusing illegal orders is, what if the President's lawyers say it is legal?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:59 PM
Jan 2017

"Sure, torture is illegal, in fact, it's a war crime. But enhanced interrogation is A-OK. That's according to Vice President Cheney, the Attorney General, and the White House Chief Counsel." If Private Pyle refuses the order to enhance that interrogation until the prisoner's heart stops, he will face a court-martial.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
132. I agree
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 05:30 AM
Jan 2017

Using a 25th amendment remedy is best. Impeachment second best. But if Trump decides to play with his new nukes, I hope the military does the right thing until we can get this mess out of the White House.

I hate Pence, but I'm really looking forward to President Pence. He's insane in a way that won't get us all killed. Hurt, yes, but radioactive, no.

tclambert

(11,089 posts)
100. Do you recall the 1998 movie "The Siege?"
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 04:32 PM
Jan 2017

Denzel Washington, Bruce Willis, Annette Benning, and Tony Shalhoub starred in it. I kind of liked Willis' portrayal of General Devereaux, who "implores" the politicians not to order martial law. "It will be noisy. It will be scary. And it will not be mistaken for a VFW parade," he warns. But the President orders it, and he rolls tanks into New York City. At the end, Agent Hubbard (Denzel Washington) identifies the last member of the terrorist cell and shoots him before he can set off his bomb, then arrests General Devereaux for "the torture and murder of Tariq Husseini, an American citizen." (The military had, of course, gotten carried away with their "aggressive" interrogation of a suspect.) Devereaux threatens to order his men to shoot all the FBI agents who came to arrest him, but decides in the end that what is best for the country is for him to submit to being arrested.

I think that movie addressed the subject of terrorism and possible responses to terrorism in a much more mature way than the Bush administration ever did. I expect the Trump administration will make the Bush people look like deep thinkers by comparison.

Nitram

(23,212 posts)
114. If it were me I'd wait to quit until the first order I could not in good conscience obey.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jan 2017

I think that sends a stronger message than just resigning up front.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. Holy crap, we're not going to have a functioning state department.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jan 2017

Which is probably for the best given who the boss is.

underpants

(183,374 posts)
11. XL and DAPL pipeline Exec Orders I'd bet
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jan 2017
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/trumps-ex-breitbart-advisor-bannon-is-drafting-executive-orders-and-basically-winging-it-report/

For example, the website reported the White House failed to ask State Department experts to review the memorandum on the Keystone XL pipeline, although the Canadian company vying for a permit to build the project is currently suing the U.S. for $15 billion.

A former State Department lawyer who worked on the Keystone proposal said Trump’s order was “more than unusual, that’s reckless.”

DU thread (not mine) here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8539954

karynnj

(59,529 posts)
29. Wow - could that mean that taxpayers might actually end up funding that disastrous pipeline
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jan 2017

if TransCanada uses Trump's action to say that Obama cost them money? I was hoping that economics would prevent the pipeline from being built, but that suit might mean that the US could end up settling or losing and paying what would be a big part of the cost.

My initial thought that at least Obama/Kerry/Clinton would not own the likely inevitable environmental disaster when it - like many pipes - has a leak, was really short sided and political. While I am glad for that - especially for life long environmentalist Kerry - this is a disaster for the country and world.

TeddyBear 1

(79 posts)
42. the pipeline
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:03 PM
Jan 2017

is not a sure thing on Canada's side now.. Depending on what Trump has in mind for a deal and the low cost of oil may scrap it anyway..

MineralMan

(146,392 posts)
12. Excellent. Let's see more of this from other Departments and Agencies.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:29 PM
Jan 2017

If the Senior Staff at all Executive Branch agencies and departments resigns, a clear message will be sent. Trump and his merry band of miscreants has no clue about who has the knowledge and experience to replace those individuals.

Here'a standard resignation letter I would recommend for those folks.

Message to President Donald Trump:

My dear Mr. President:

I HEREBY QUIT. I WON'T WORK FOR YOU, YOU WORTHLESS POS!

Lots of luck,

Senior Agency Staff Member

csziggy

(34,143 posts)
111. Why would The Donald be concerned about knowledge or experience?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:24 PM
Jan 2017

He have none of his own for the office he now occupies and none of the people he has hired so far have truly relevant knowledge or experience for the positions he has put them into.

He will hire sycophants that are more interested in power and self enrichment than they are in actually doing their jobs. That has been his record so far, why should he change?

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
13. Makes sense
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jan 2017

No one in 'their' right mind will work under this administration.

I am concern however with what the replacements will be. Military generals?

central scrutinizer

(11,711 posts)
14. Can't wait to see how Sean Sphincter will spin this
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jan 2017

What alternative universe will he pull out of his ill-fitting suit?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
15. Both gratifying and terrifying at the same time
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:33 PM
Jan 2017

Because I presume they will be replaced by completely inexperienced, crackpot secretaries and cub reporters from Breitbart, who will amplify the insanity.

hunter

(38,408 posts)
16. And the Trump appointees are going to wonder why the civilized world...
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:34 PM
Jan 2017

... is making them sit at the naughty children's table.

It's actually quite terrifying. The Trump administration is like an angry four year old waving a loaded gun.

ffr

(22,698 posts)
19. Not going to be the fall guys for the idiot at the top.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:40 PM
Jan 2017

Expect more leadership losses in other departments as word travels.

Putin and tRump and just a wrecking ball on our nation.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,459 posts)
21. This news item does two things:
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jan 2017

It re-affirms the belief that people will do the right thing to preserve their own dignity and integrity.

It re-affirms the belief that the level of Trumpy's craziness and incompetence is an existential threat to all of us.


Both analyses, common sense ones at that, will fall on deaf ears inside the Trump/GOP cabal. The GOP knows that they're in big trouble with Trump at the helm, but are risking all of our lives in the process. There is no escape route from nuclear war. And the GOP is risking all of our lives for their own political gain.

IronLionZion

(45,810 posts)
22. Experience is for losers and other snowflakes
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:44 PM
Jan 2017

Winners don't have to time to learn about diplomacy and tact!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. This I have a great deal of respect for
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jan 2017

I believe these resignations are much better than going totally against their principles and staying in the job.

Let Tillerson find someone who can teach him on the job now. He won't be able to find his own ass.

He'll probably populate the State Department with nothing oil billionaires.

Captain_New_York

(161 posts)
26. Keep an eye on where the State Department Officials move to
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:51 PM
Jan 2017

These guys know what's going on here in the US and abroad. If they start retiring to foreign locations, I would get very concerned. This former Army officer, with a son who is a serving officer and whose family traces back a 300 year history in America and served in the US Army in every conflict is seriously thinking of expatriating. Costa Rica is a candidate for cost, flight time and time zone reasons. Malaysia (Penang, Ipoh or KL) is also a choice since I lived there for 1/2 year and another 2 1/2 in Singapore

Tanuki

(14,940 posts)
27. This reminds me of the Watergate era "Saturday night massacre," when Nixon fired Special Prosecutor
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017

Archibald Cox, and both the Attorney General Elliot Richardson and the Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus immediately resigned in protest. Things went downhill for Tricky Dick after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

bdamomma

(64,065 posts)
28. does anyone
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017

think this was the tRump agenda to eliminate all government senior officials to proclaim tRump as dictator.

karynnj

(59,529 posts)
36. No - because the career leadership in the departments would not have the power if they stayed to
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jan 2017

stop him on anything.

What this shows is that we are in uncharted territories. Consider past shifts between parties. There was no talk of mass exodus when GHWB left office followed by Clinton; Clinton leaving office followed by W; W leaving office followed by Obama.

Also note that Patrick Kennedy is mentioned first. He was treated almost as a partisan by the Republican Congress in the hearings they had on both Benghazi and Clinton's email. Ignored was that he was a political appointee.

gordianot

(15,283 posts)
58. Trump does not have enough foresight to have a plan.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:33 PM
Jan 2017

The reason he did not discuss policy during the election is that beyond a few rudimentary sound bites he has no policies. Trump has no plan he does not make plans other than conning finances and other people in order to stiff them. As long as the money flows Trump is for sale (quite possibly even if you are Russia).

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
33. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jan 2017

I can certainly understand them not wanting to stay around for what is surely to become an even bigger mess, but who will they get to replace them?

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
34. Holy crap!
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jan 2017

This is incredible, in an era of unbelievable things happening. Good for them. I wouldn't work for Dump or Tillerson either.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
43. Kennedy, Barr and Bond are mid to late '60s in age, so retirement is expected.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:04 PM
Jan 2017

Gentry Smith, about 57, has been involved in security, so maybe Bengazhi?

Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

nolabear

(42,037 posts)
51. He might put puppets in but make no mistake, this is a FABULOUS thing.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:15 PM
Jan 2017

The entire world will continue to see that the American system in large and small recognizes that this man is indeed mad and those using him for power will do things equally mad.

THIS IS NOT US! THIS IS NOT OUR AMERICA!

ffr

(22,698 posts)
56. Is there any equivalent precedence for this in American history?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jan 2017

This is symbolic of lack of confidence in leadership. Mark my words.

GoCubsGo

(32,124 posts)
63. This is not good.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jan 2017

Our State Department is about to be filled with a bunch of Heckava-Job-Brownies and other bootlickers. Lovely.

We are so fucked.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
64. I know a few people there looking for opportunities elsewhere
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:40 PM
Jan 2017

Including lifers who have been there since the first Bush administration.

They don't really have a problem with Tillerson, some say their first impressions of him are very positive. But they're unsettled by being undermined by foreign policy Trump will invent while he is taking a shit and broadcast to the world moments later. Trump has already demonstrated ignorance or indifference to protocol when he chose to engage Nigel Farage as though he were a defacto British ambassador.

C_U_L8R

(45,071 posts)
77. I think Rex Tillerson
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jan 2017

must have been Daffy Duck's nemesis in some cartoon.
At least I can clearly hear Daffy saying "Rex Tillerson, you're despicable"

3_Limes

(363 posts)
67. This is certainlygood news for Putin!
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:44 PM
Jan 2017

He wouldn't have dreamed of things working out this well, but here we are.

I'll take "Intro. to conversational Russian" for 800, Alex!

NotThisTime

(3,657 posts)
68. What does this mean for getting visa's to other countries, they will start downgrading the U.S. for
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:44 PM
Jan 2017

visa's? Trump is the worst thing to happen to this country, but that's a given

ALBliberal

(2,399 posts)
69. They would have been ignored or outright dismissed anyway.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:54 PM
Jan 2017

We are in no worse a situation. But we have the take away of deligitimizing this farce of an administration. This was a crafty move made by highly credible experienced professionals that have our country's best interests at heart. Now they can trot out their joke replacements.
And Kerry Hillary and Obama fully approved imo.

BRMCOne

(27 posts)
71. And more scary news just in...
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:58 PM
Jan 2017

You're right...sure feels like we are not being governed.

Not that this will come as a shock to us, but:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/world/doomsday-clock-2017/index.html

I really wish my Mommy were still alive, cuz I don't mind telling you, I'm 49 years old and scared as hell.

On 2nd thought, I'm GLAD my Mommy isn't here and is being spared this bullshit.

world wide wally

(21,762 posts)
73. I'm sure we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg here
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jan 2017

Career people don't just resign for trivial reasons. I am betting that Trump sent a memo or word that they would now treat Russia with kid gloves (kiss their asses) in a way they could not swallow.

BlueMTexpat

(15,386 posts)
74. To paraphrase former Veep
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:17 PM
Jan 2017

Joe Biden, "This is a big f*cking deal!"

Never before in history has such a thing occurred. There is NO ONE who will put their credibility on the line for the Lying Liar-in-Chief.

lakercub

(659 posts)
76. Need a little help
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:25 PM
Jan 2017

Is this a true resignation? It is typical for all presidential appointees to submit a letter of resignation when a new president takes over. That doesn't mean they are all resigning, as many may be retained at the pleasure of the president. In this case, did they all actually legitimately resign with no designs on continuing service? Or did the Trump administration actually accept all the resignations (which would have been an absurd decision)?

It seems Kennedy and three others had their resignations accepted, but did that spur others to resign for real rather than submit the customary resignation letter that may or may not be accepted?

marybourg

(12,668 posts)
82. If they handed in their resignations, they resigned.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:53 PM
Jan 2017

Accepting a resignation is not "asking [them] to leave." In my book.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
136. I'm also understanding that it is custom for all state dept. employees to hand in their resignations
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jan 2017

then the incoming administration can keep them or let them leave.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
86. Nobody with an ounce of moral code wants anything to do with Trump.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:58 PM
Jan 2017

Fuck him, he told people to leave and I hope they all do.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,793 posts)
89. And Here's The Best Part Of It
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:03 PM
Jan 2017

President Clusterfuck can't fill those jobs because he declared a hiring freeze.

getting old in mke

(813 posts)
98. It's standard practive
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:52 PM
Jan 2017

for senior members to submit their letters of resignation to incoming administrations.

So, technically they resigned--along with a bunch of other people. In this case, though, Trump & lackeys accepted their resignations and lost 150 years of experience.

spanone

(136,095 posts)
99. doesn't really matter, they're gone.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jan 2017
The State Department’s entire senior-level management staff resigned on Wednesday, The Washington Post reported. CNN later reported that the officials were actually fired by the Trump administration as part of an effort to “clean house.” Patrick Kennedy, the under-secretary for management, was reportedly aiming to stay with the department, but resigned suddenly on Wednesday along with his top staffers described by the Post as “career foreign service officers.” It was unclear why exactly

Kennedy, who was working closely on the department’s transition after Donald Trump was elected president, decided to call it quits. David Wade, former chief of staff for

John Kerry, called it “the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate.” He added that such positions are extremely difficult to fill. Those who left were reportedly career foreign-service officers who’ve served in both Republican and Democratic administrations.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/01/26/report-all-senior-state-dept-management-officials-resign.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

rzemanfl

(29,612 posts)
106. I don't believe anything that comes out of this illegitimate administration.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:11 PM
Jan 2017

Why were they so slow to react? Because they were making shit up?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
94. I'd prefer they stay on their position but refuse to follow his orders.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jan 2017

I guess there would be protocol problems with that that I don't know about, but as I see it now, leaving allows a tyrant to put in sycophants, which is what tyrants want.

rzemanfl

(29,612 posts)
107. These people, who either quit from or were fired by the Drumpf Administration, deserve respect
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:16 PM
Jan 2017

for their years of service. What you are saying is akin to saying heroes don't get captured.

TrollBuster9090

(5,957 posts)
110. I have a feeling that EXXON is about to lose its entire top staff, so they can fill the vacuum
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:14 PM
Jan 2017

I guess the good news is that Trump just created a couple dozen NEW JOBS at Exxon.

What was the 'precipitating event?' I suspect it was probably when Tillerson told all the 'pinkos' at STATE to re-apply for their own jobs, or risk being replaced by people with H1A visas.


Moral Compass

(1,571 posts)
112. They were fired
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:31 PM
Jan 2017

According to TPM's updated story says that they were fired.

The amateurs are getting rid of the professionals.

Guess this is their idea of draining the swamp.

Hekate

(91,412 posts)
118. That only works in France, which is much smaller than the US.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:58 PM
Jan 2017

As I have been saying here since 2002.
Wearily,
Hekate

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
119. Bullshit. If the entire federal civil service walked out, it would render the county instantly
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jan 2017

ungovernable. Think PATCO in a government-wide scale. Fuck Trump and his fascist cohort and fuck his Republican enablers. Time to shut this country down.

kentuck

(111,142 posts)
120. Conservative media is saying that they were fired...
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 07:51 PM
Jan 2017

...that they didn't quit or resign...Trump fired them!

Redstate (right-wing) is saying they were fired.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
134. Yes, I'm of the same mind.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 09:29 AM
Jan 2017

Tillerson, Bannon and Flynn.

The country is being run by a crazy man and three Russian agents.
But I'm sure they all have our best interests at heart!

Imajika

(4,072 posts)
128. If they are political appointees then they were likely fired...
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:50 PM
Jan 2017

...or handed over their resignations as all other political appointees typically do.

Would be nice if the media got these stories right in the first place before running with the most sensationalist angle, getting everyone thinking something dramatic took place, when in reality there is no surprise here.

catbyte

(34,640 posts)
131. It's VERY unusual for them to leave so soon. They usually stay for a few months to
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 05:14 AM
Jan 2017

ensure a smooth transition. This is scary.

Beacool

(30,256 posts)
130. There are several former SOS shaking their heads in wonder right now.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 04:22 AM
Jan 2017

This guy is going to devolve the country into something unrecognizable.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
133. This was done for a reason
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:14 AM
Jan 2017

The reason is related to the story that was on Rachel Maddow last night. Trump is about to remove sanctions on Russia and he wants his people in the state department to facilitate it.
What happened to the Rachel post that was on DU last night? It disappeared or petered out?
I thought Rachel's report was big news about the Russian cyber spy being charged with espionage by Putin. We had a mole in Russia and someone outed him.

What happened to that post from last night? Anyone? Was it bogus? I spread it all over my right wing blog site in Pa.

TomCADem

(17,391 posts)
135. Seems to Coincide With Ongoing Purge in Russia ...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:36 AM
Jan 2017

... of folks who might have had contacts with Western intelligence agencies.

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