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Last edited Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)
Posted at 11:02 am ET today by The Washington Post:
...Tillerson was actually inside the State Departments headquarters in Foggy Bottom on Wednesday, taking meetings and getting the lay of the land. I reported Wednesday morning that the Trump team was narrowing its search for his No. 2 and three officials, and that it was looking to replace the State Departments long-serving undersecretary for management, Patrick Kennedy. Kennedy, who has been in that job for nine years, was actively involved in the transition and was angling to keep that job under Tillerson, three State Department officials told me.
Then suddenly on Wednesday afternoon, Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?postshare=1341485447378534&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.6dddacd169b0
Edit update: Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo:
This is bad for Tillerson. But it's bad for everyone. Kennedy was reportedly trying to stay on in his position, as I believe he did from Bush to Obama. It sure sounds like there was some precipitating event.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/top-state-dept-leadership-resigns
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Let this spread to other Departments to put tbe pressure on Republicans.
THEY OWN THIS TRUMP MESS!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)He gets to put him own yes people in. Cut the state department to bare bones.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I hope someone tells trumpie he can't hire. He's getting what he deserves not even a week in.
MineralMan
(146,392 posts)I read it this morning, and there is an exemption written into it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,137 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)These are real feds
2naSalit
(87,405 posts)I have been out of town all weekend, I knew there'd be some additional crap taking place.
Nitram
(23,212 posts)He is going to look so bad trying to run things without people who know what they are doing to help him. I predict a MASSIVE FAIL!
Kingofalldems
(38,589 posts)disalitervisum
(470 posts)the career government civil service corps. Bannon especially, because he understands that doing so removes a major check on the executive power. trump only understands it because bannon explained it to him.
The checks and balances provided by the founders that exist within the constitution are the formal ones. The informal check on executive power provided by the career civil service is a result of the evolution of government, and allows for continuity and stability across varying degrees of radicalism or madness that may exist within the executive.
If allowed to continue, this course soon leads to the absence of anyone within government who has the ability to oppose or question policies put forth by the executive. Witness the gag orders already issued for various agencies.
Bannon and his wing of the tea party want to burn down the whole show and remake it in their image. This is their stated goal, which dovetails nicely with today's attack on the media by Bannon, who said "the media should just shut up," and "the media is the opposition party."
DallasNE
(7,415 posts)Trump's plunging poll numbers. His first approval rating after being sworn in is just 32 percent, while other incoming President's typically enjoy a 70% approval rating in this honeymoon period. This is affect races such as in Virginia later this year and cause Republican up in 2018 to start to distance themselves from Trump shortly. Bannon has time to burn it down but not enough to put it back together again due to the pushback. And there will be leakers, gag order or not.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)after Shock & Awe? He went in with grad school Randian neophytes determined to set up their idea of a perfect (small) government.
This is what will happen to us.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not a good development.
mobeau69
(11,191 posts)groundloop
(11,568 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,883 posts)These folks, as is custom, all handed in letters of resignation when the new President was sworn in. It is then up to the incoming Secretary to decide which he/she will accept. All of these people were told that they were no longer needed in their job.
Amended for link, from CNN:
Patrick Kennedy, who served for nine years as the undersecretary for management, Assistant Secretaries for Administration and Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Joyce Anne Barr, and Ambassador Gentry Smith, director of the Office for Foreign Missions, were sent letters by the White House that their service was no longer required, the sources told CNN.
All four, career officers serving in positions appointed by the President, submitted letters of resignation per tradition at the beginning of a new administration.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/index.html
MyOwnPeace
(16,976 posts)who needs experience there?
We don't have it in the White House!
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
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Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(150,072 posts)Should be interesting to see how the orange twit handles this.
Brother Buzz
(36,536 posts)denbot
(9,902 posts)Nice person, met her at a So Cal DU meetup, back in the day.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,536 posts)Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)cilla4progress
(24,881 posts)unprotected
Nitram
(23,212 posts)If push comes to shove, if the U.S. is in danger, the military will ignore the Dumpster and take things into their own hands. Yes, I know, that's not an ideal situation, but I am confident our military will keep their guard up and will be only too happy to be back under the control of a sane Commander-in-Chief.
Shadowsmith
(26 posts)Our military must follow the orders of the Commander in Chief unless the orders are illegal. Anything else simply creates a terrifying precedent and would set us on a path to military rule.
I hate Trump and I'm terrified of what he's going to do to this country. But having the military take independent action is worse. We need our military to remain under civilian control.
liberalhistorian
(20,824 posts)I would agree with you. But these are not normal times, not at all. If Drumpf causes or starts an illegal war with a strong country that would wreak havoc on us, or order invasions of American cities (neither of which I'd put past him at all), I WANT the military to refuse his orders and take independent action to do so.
Nitram
(23,212 posts)an unnecessary nuclear attack on another country if Trump ordered it. I sleep easy knowing the the military will continue to function even if the Commander-in-Chief is dysfunctional. It is a comfort to think the military might disobey this particular Commander-in-Chief. Do you disagree?
tclambert
(11,089 posts)"Sure, torture is illegal, in fact, it's a war crime. But enhanced interrogation is A-OK. That's according to Vice President Cheney, the Attorney General, and the White House Chief Counsel." If Private Pyle refuses the order to enhance that interrogation until the prisoner's heart stops, he will face a court-martial.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Using a 25th amendment remedy is best. Impeachment second best. But if Trump decides to play with his new nukes, I hope the military does the right thing until we can get this mess out of the White House.
I hate Pence, but I'm really looking forward to President Pence. He's insane in a way that won't get us all killed. Hurt, yes, but radioactive, no.
tclambert
(11,089 posts)Denzel Washington, Bruce Willis, Annette Benning, and Tony Shalhoub starred in it. I kind of liked Willis' portrayal of General Devereaux, who "implores" the politicians not to order martial law. "It will be noisy. It will be scary. And it will not be mistaken for a VFW parade," he warns. But the President orders it, and he rolls tanks into New York City. At the end, Agent Hubbard (Denzel Washington) identifies the last member of the terrorist cell and shoots him before he can set off his bomb, then arrests General Devereaux for "the torture and murder of Tariq Husseini, an American citizen." (The military had, of course, gotten carried away with their "aggressive" interrogation of a suspect.) Devereaux threatens to order his men to shoot all the FBI agents who came to arrest him, but decides in the end that what is best for the country is for him to submit to being arrested.
I think that movie addressed the subject of terrorism and possible responses to terrorism in a much more mature way than the Bush administration ever did. I expect the Trump administration will make the Bush people look like deep thinkers by comparison.
Nitram
(23,212 posts)I think that sends a stronger message than just resigning up front.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Good for them. Standing up for principles and showing some backbone.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Which is probably for the best given who the boss is.
Ilsa
(61,727 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)visas and passports
lostnfound
(16,230 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,253 posts)That's telling. Extremely telling.
underpants
(183,374 posts)For example, the website reported the White House failed to ask State Department experts to review the memorandum on the Keystone XL pipeline, although the Canadian company vying for a permit to build the project is currently suing the U.S. for $15 billion.
A former State Department lawyer who worked on the Keystone proposal said Trumps order was more than unusual, thats reckless.
DU thread (not mine) here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8539954
karynnj
(59,529 posts)if TransCanada uses Trump's action to say that Obama cost them money? I was hoping that economics would prevent the pipeline from being built, but that suit might mean that the US could end up settling or losing and paying what would be a big part of the cost.
My initial thought that at least Obama/Kerry/Clinton would not own the likely inevitable environmental disaster when it - like many pipes - has a leak, was really short sided and political. While I am glad for that - especially for life long environmentalist Kerry - this is a disaster for the country and world.
TeddyBear 1
(79 posts)is not a sure thing on Canada's side now.. Depending on what Trump has in mind for a deal and the low cost of oil may scrap it anyway..
TexasBushwhacker
(20,309 posts)of the Canadian tar sands?
KOCH BROS!
MineralMan
(146,392 posts)If the Senior Staff at all Executive Branch agencies and departments resigns, a clear message will be sent. Trump and his merry band of miscreants has no clue about who has the knowledge and experience to replace those individuals.
Here'a standard resignation letter I would recommend for those folks.
Message to President Donald Trump:
My dear Mr. President:
I HEREBY QUIT. I WON'T WORK FOR YOU, YOU WORTHLESS POS!
Lots of luck,
Senior Agency Staff Member
csziggy
(34,143 posts)He have none of his own for the office he now occupies and none of the people he has hired so far have truly relevant knowledge or experience for the positions he has put them into.
He will hire sycophants that are more interested in power and self enrichment than they are in actually doing their jobs. That has been his record so far, why should he change?
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)No one in 'their' right mind will work under this administration.
I am concern however with what the replacements will be. Military generals?
get the red out
(13,468 posts)More CEOs.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)and banksters.
central scrutinizer
(11,711 posts)What alternative universe will he pull out of his ill-fitting suit?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Because I presume they will be replaced by completely inexperienced, crackpot secretaries and cub reporters from Breitbart, who will amplify the insanity.
lostnfound
(16,230 posts)hunter
(38,408 posts)... is making them sit at the naughty children's table.
It's actually quite terrifying. The Trump administration is like an angry four year old waving a loaded gun.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)What to do??? Lol.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)mother frakker. William Adama must be smiling at this
benld74
(9,923 posts)ffr
(22,698 posts)Expect more leadership losses in other departments as word travels.
Putin and tRump and just a wrecking ball on our nation.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,459 posts)It re-affirms the belief that people will do the right thing to preserve their own dignity and integrity.
It re-affirms the belief that the level of Trumpy's craziness and incompetence is an existential threat to all of us.
Both analyses, common sense ones at that, will fall on deaf ears inside the Trump/GOP cabal. The GOP knows that they're in big trouble with Trump at the helm, but are risking all of our lives in the process. There is no escape route from nuclear war. And the GOP is risking all of our lives for their own political gain.
IronLionZion
(45,810 posts)Winners don't have to time to learn about diplomacy and tact!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I believe these resignations are much better than going totally against their principles and staying in the job.
Let Tillerson find someone who can teach him on the job now. He won't be able to find his own ass.
He'll probably populate the State Department with nothing oil billionaires.
Gothmog
(146,648 posts)Captain_New_York
(161 posts)These guys know what's going on here in the US and abroad. If they start retiring to foreign locations, I would get very concerned. This former Army officer, with a son who is a serving officer and whose family traces back a 300 year history in America and served in the US Army in every conflict is seriously thinking of expatriating. Costa Rica is a candidate for cost, flight time and time zone reasons. Malaysia (Penang, Ipoh or KL) is also a choice since I lived there for 1/2 year and another 2 1/2 in Singapore
Tanuki
(14,940 posts)Archibald Cox, and both the Attorney General Elliot Richardson and the Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus immediately resigned in protest. Things went downhill for Tricky Dick after that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
lunatica
(53,410 posts)bdamomma
(64,065 posts)think this was the tRump agenda to eliminate all government senior officials to proclaim tRump as dictator.
karynnj
(59,529 posts)stop him on anything.
What this shows is that we are in uncharted territories. Consider past shifts between parties. There was no talk of mass exodus when GHWB left office followed by Clinton; Clinton leaving office followed by W; W leaving office followed by Obama.
Also note that Patrick Kennedy is mentioned first. He was treated almost as a partisan by the Republican Congress in the hearings they had on both Benghazi and Clinton's email. Ignored was that he was a political appointee.
gordianot
(15,283 posts)The reason he did not discuss policy during the election is that beyond a few rudimentary sound bites he has no policies. Trump has no plan he does not make plans other than conning finances and other people in order to stiff them. As long as the money flows Trump is for sale (quite possibly even if you are Russia).
gademocrat7
(10,714 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)I can certainly understand them not wanting to stay around for what is surely to become an even bigger mess, but who will they get to replace them?
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)This is incredible, in an era of unbelievable things happening. Good for them. I wouldn't work for Dump or Tillerson either.
Renew Deal
(81,941 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,830 posts)I'm sure Steve Bannon can find a few people to work in the State Dept.
ailsagirl
(22,961 posts)Good for them!! (Can't blame them, though-- bet there will be lots more)
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Gentry Smith, about 57, has been involved in security, so maybe Bengazhi?
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ailsagirl
(22,961 posts)nolabear
(42,037 posts)The entire world will continue to see that the American system in large and small recognizes that this man is indeed mad and those using him for power will do things equally mad.
THIS IS NOT US! THIS IS NOT OUR AMERICA!
UCmeNdc
(9,603 posts)Trump will destroy the United States.
ffr
(22,698 posts)This is symbolic of lack of confidence in leadership. Mark my words.
liberal N proud
(60,378 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,124 posts)Our State Department is about to be filled with a bunch of Heckava-Job-Brownies and other bootlickers. Lovely.
We are so fucked.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Including lifers who have been there since the first Bush administration.
They don't really have a problem with Tillerson, some say their first impressions of him are very positive. But they're unsettled by being undermined by foreign policy Trump will invent while he is taking a shit and broadcast to the world moments later. Trump has already demonstrated ignorance or indifference to protocol when he chose to engage Nigel Farage as though he were a defacto British ambassador.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,071 posts)must have been Daffy Duck's nemesis in some cartoon.
At least I can clearly hear Daffy saying "Rex Tillerson, you're despicable"
3_Limes
(363 posts)He wouldn't have dreamed of things working out this well, but here we are.
I'll take "Intro. to conversational Russian" for 800, Alex!
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)visa's? Trump is the worst thing to happen to this country, but that's a given
ALBliberal
(2,399 posts)We are in no worse a situation. But we have the take away of deligitimizing this farce of an administration. This was a crafty move made by highly credible experienced professionals that have our country's best interests at heart. Now they can trot out their joke replacements.
And Kerry Hillary and Obama fully approved imo.
BRMCOne
(27 posts)You're right...sure feels like we are not being governed.
Not that this will come as a shock to us, but:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/world/doomsday-clock-2017/index.html
I really wish my Mommy were still alive, cuz I don't mind telling you, I'm 49 years old and scared as hell.
On 2nd thought, I'm GLAD my Mommy isn't here and is being spared this bullshit.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)world wide wally
(21,762 posts)Career people don't just resign for trivial reasons. I am betting that Trump sent a memo or word that they would now treat Russia with kid gloves (kiss their asses) in a way they could not swallow.
BlueMTexpat
(15,386 posts)Joe Biden, "This is a big f*cking deal!"
Never before in history has such a thing occurred. There is NO ONE who will put their credibility on the line for the Lying Liar-in-Chief.
lakercub
(659 posts)Is this a true resignation? It is typical for all presidential appointees to submit a letter of resignation when a new president takes over. That doesn't mean they are all resigning, as many may be retained at the pleasure of the president. In this case, did they all actually legitimately resign with no designs on continuing service? Or did the Trump administration actually accept all the resignations (which would have been an absurd decision)?
It seems Kennedy and three others had their resignations accepted, but did that spur others to resign for real rather than submit the customary resignation letter that may or may not be accepted?
pbmus
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NRaleighLiberal
(60,058 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,058 posts)marybourg
(12,668 posts)Accepting a resignation is not "asking [them] to leave." In my book.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,058 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)then the incoming administration can keep them or let them leave.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Fuck him, he told people to leave and I hope they all do.
Hekate
(91,412 posts)ChoppinBroccoli
(3,793 posts)President Clusterfuck can't fill those jobs because he declared a hiring freeze.
spanone
(136,095 posts)getting old in mke
(813 posts)for senior members to submit their letters of resignation to incoming administrations.
So, technically they resigned--along with a bunch of other people. In this case, though, Trump & lackeys accepted their resignations and lost 150 years of experience.
spanone
(136,095 posts)Kennedy, who was working closely on the departments transition after Donald Trump was elected president, decided to call it quits. David Wade, former chief of staff for
John Kerry, called it the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and thats incredibly difficult to replicate. He added that such positions are extremely difficult to fill. Those who left were reportedly career foreign-service officers whove served in both Republican and Democratic administrations.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/01/26/report-all-senior-state-dept-management-officials-resign.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl
rzemanfl
(29,612 posts)Why were they so slow to react? Because they were making shit up?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I guess there would be protocol problems with that that I don't know about, but as I see it now, leaving allows a tyrant to put in sycophants, which is what tyrants want.
catbyte
(34,640 posts)dawnie51
(959 posts)I would have had respect if they resigned. Fired, not so much.
rzemanfl
(29,612 posts)rzemanfl
(29,612 posts)for their years of service. What you are saying is akin to saying heroes don't get captured.
Hekate
(91,412 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,883 posts)uponit7771
(90,398 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,957 posts)I guess the good news is that Trump just created a couple dozen NEW JOBS at Exxon.
What was the 'precipitating event?' I suspect it was probably when Tillerson told all the 'pinkos' at STATE to re-apply for their own jobs, or risk being replaced by people with H1A visas.
Moral Compass
(1,571 posts)According to TPM's updated story says that they were fired.
The amateurs are getting rid of the professionals.
Guess this is their idea of draining the swamp.
uponit7771
(90,398 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Hekate
(91,412 posts)As I have been saying here since 2002.
Wearily,
Hekate
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)ungovernable. Think PATCO in a government-wide scale. Fuck Trump and his fascist cohort and fuck his Republican enablers. Time to shut this country down.
Hekate
(91,412 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)kentuck
(111,142 posts)...that they didn't quit or resign...Trump fired them!
Redstate (right-wing) is saying they were fired.
lostnfound
(16,230 posts)State? Who needs State?
orangecrush
(19,786 posts)Maybe that explains it?
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Tillerson, Bannon and Flynn.
The country is being run by a crazy man and three Russian agents.
But I'm sure they all have our best interests at heart!
Imajika
(4,072 posts)...or handed over their resignations as all other political appointees typically do.
Would be nice if the media got these stories right in the first place before running with the most sensationalist angle, getting everyone thinking something dramatic took place, when in reality there is no surprise here.
catbyte
(34,640 posts)ensure a smooth transition. This is scary.
Beacool
(30,256 posts)This guy is going to devolve the country into something unrecognizable.
watoos
(7,142 posts)The reason is related to the story that was on Rachel Maddow last night. Trump is about to remove sanctions on Russia and he wants his people in the state department to facilitate it.
What happened to the Rachel post that was on DU last night? It disappeared or petered out?
I thought Rachel's report was big news about the Russian cyber spy being charged with espionage by Putin. We had a mole in Russia and someone outed him.
What happened to that post from last night? Anyone? Was it bogus? I spread it all over my right wing blog site in Pa.
TomCADem
(17,391 posts)... of folks who might have had contacts with Western intelligence agencies.