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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is INSANE! You have to read this Mother Jones article on the Kompromat/hack etc:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/evidence-bizarre-trump-russia-ties-continues-ooze-outOther reports suggest that British intelligence is thinking along the same lines as Israel. And the Daily Beast reports that a group dedicated to hacking the NSA and releasing its prize malware has suddenly gone out of business a few days before Trump's inauguration:
The Shadow Brokers emerged in August with the announcement that theyd stolen the hacking tools used by a sophisticated computer-intrusion operation known as the Equation Group, and were putting them up for sale to the highest bidder. It was a remarkable claim, because the Equation Group is generally understood to be part of the NSAs elite Tailored Access Operations program.
...snip...
The more persuasive theory, supported by no less than Edward Snowden, is that the Shadow Brokers are one of the same Russian government hacking groups now accused of targeting the U.S. election....Under this theory, the Shadow Brokers were part of a tit-for-tat in the intelligence world. The group emerged just as the U.S. began confronting Russia over its election hacking, and then seemed to release its secrets in time with the public thrusts and parries between the two countries....Now, with a new, friendlier administration coming in, Vladimir Putin may be pressing the reset button
Of course this comes from Mother Jones, which means that sometime in March the rest of the press will catch up and report on this like it's a brand new thing.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)and anti-American...clearly.
BainsBane
(53,137 posts)You have to admit.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)And there are several more smaller ones inside the Kremlin as well...
BainsBane
(53,137 posts)It's entirely unfitting both Trump and Putin. The term was meant to signal equality rather than hierarchy. There are few people who value equality less than Trump does.
Squinch
(51,105 posts)This is surreal! And NO ONE ELSE is talking about it!!!
annabanana
(52,791 posts)lostnfound
(16,208 posts)Ligyron
(7,659 posts)Jeez, if this second part about the NSA is actually true...
Squinch
(51,105 posts)DK504
(3,847 posts)The NSA has a program that can by by pass our securities and has this up for sale? Is that correct?
Seriously, is that correct?
Squinch
(51,105 posts)and the Russian group hacked into the NSA, got that program and is offering it up for sale.
So the Russians are rummaging around in the NSA with the keys to the kingdom, our security systems are compromised by them, and now they are selling information to anyone who can pay on how to get around our security systems.
The same Russian group is implicated in the election hack.
radical noodle
(8,026 posts)and it doesn't help that I really don't understand it (the hacking part). What I DO understand is that there's no place for coincidence in the intelligence community and Trump is working with Russia.
Squinch
(51,105 posts)that allow them to hack other countries' sophisticated systems, presumably on behalf of the US.
The Shadow Brokers are a group that hacked the Equation Group, which means they hacked the very heart of the NSA.
The Shadow Brokers have gone public with their access to the NSA/Equation Group and are offering that access for sale. Which means that anyone with money can now get inside the NSA at its most secret levels.
The Shadow Brokers are Putin's people and they are implicated in the hack of the election. This means that Putin is not only in our security systems, he's offering our security systems for sale and thus rendering them completely useless.
This is now causing other countries to get as far away from us as they can.
We are screwed.
radical noodle
(8,026 posts)That's a much better explanation, and it makes sense now. You're right... we are screwed.
BadgerMom
(2,775 posts)it's okay. This cannot stand! I'm calling my Senators today and telling them to figure it out! DO SOMETHING!!
radical noodle
(8,026 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)that I am no longer sure which author, publication, or other entity to believe about this whole batch of smelly fish. There probably is fire somewhere through all the smoke. I almost think that we are wanted to feel this way, to ignore it and not believe any news source. Hoping that it will just go away. What I really want to see happen, is "hold" on the Inauguration (doubt that's possible), but a full-fledged televised-live investigation. I believe Snowden. I think he is probably one of the honest ones in this whole mess.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Read everything you can about Vladislav Surkov. Because his methods and what he's done in Russia is what's happening across the globe now as the oligarchs (can't believe i"m using that term) need methods to control people with minimal violence to preserve the appearance of Democracy.
Surkov is one of President Putin's advisers, and has helped him maintain his power for 15 years, but he has done it in a very new way. He came originally from the avant-garde art world, and those who have studied his career, say that what Surkov has done, is to import ideas from conceptual art into the very heart of politics. His aim is to undermine peoples' perceptions of the world, so they never know what is really happening.
Surkov turned Russian politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theater. He sponsored all kinds of groups, from neo-Nazi skinheads to liberal human rights groups. He even backed parties that were opposed to President Putin. But the key thing was, that Surkov then let it be known that this was what he was doing, which meant that no one was sure what was real or fake. As one journalist put it: "It is a strategy of power that keeps any opposition constantly confused."
A ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable because it is undefinable. It is exactly what Surkov is alleged to have done in the Ukraine this year. In typical fashion, as the war began, Surkov published a short story about something he called non-linear war. A war where you never know what the enemy are really up to, or even who they are. The underlying aim, Surkov says, is not to win the war, but to use the conflict to create a constant state of destabilized perception, in order to manage and control.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/31/bbcs_adam_curtis_on_the_contradictory_vaudeville_of_post-modern_politics.html
brer cat
(24,690 posts)although scary because we can see the same things happening here and foresee their success.
Thank you for posting this, KittyWampus.
world wide wally
(21,762 posts)Sometimes contradicting himself from the beginning to the end of one sentence.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and who to trust, and ultimately, have to go with the strongman.
Leghorn21
(13,527 posts)Am trying very hard to keep his methods in my consciousness as these days of stupification roll on endlessly
(includes paragraphs from KittyWampus' post):
https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.dxar2ac78
pangaia
(24,324 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)It seems to be going beyond politics for him.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/hidden-author-putinism-russia-vladislav-surkov/382489/
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)mercuryblues
(14,577 posts)from the beginning that with all the evidence pointing to a putin/trump bromance other countries will be loath to share vital information with us. That leaves us undefended and in extreme danger.
Even our own intelligence agencies are squeamish about sharing intelligence with trump. That leaves us with only Russia supplying us with intelligence. Trump trusts putin and only putin. This will not end well.
Squinch
(51,105 posts)mercuryblues
(14,577 posts)It also raises the question on how the hack was done.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)2naSalit
(87,095 posts)but I also wonder what's happening in the private sector from whence all the "parts" come. So if this was known months ago, what's up with the folks on Renton and Silicon Valley? What do they all know and are they helping or not?
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)Out of the loop until we know who they are working for. Maybe set up some disinformation to see where it goes and who is in league with trumputin.
Duppers
(28,137 posts)Ilsa
(61,721 posts)Really, some times my opinion of myself is over-inflated.
But still, you have to wonder if this might not be a good option.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)We're probably going to be attacked again.
LenaBaby61
(6,981 posts)Say like in 2018 and 2020
Stellar
(5,644 posts)and they are one of the few publication that I subscribe to.
Rachel Maddow suggested that we should help some of our news media out financially, and I think it's a good idea.
I trust them.
flamingdem
(39,346 posts)so they can afford more excellent journalism
Stellar
(5,644 posts)How Mitt talked about how dumb 48% of voters were at a meeting with his rich supporters and how that helped Obama to win the election in 2012. That video was played over and over again.
And by the way, the subscription is really not expensive
sellitman
(11,613 posts)I'm headed over there on payday. Mother Jones rocks
Squinch
(51,105 posts)Lawrence O'Donnell mentioned his security detail (or something of that nature) to him as he ended an interview last week.
I think we need to help and protect our independent media sources, they really are all we have and they are on our side.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Mother Jones subscription is not expensive. We need to let them know that we support and appreciate the good work that they do.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)uponit7771
(90,379 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Squinch
(51,105 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)have been rendered useless.
uponit7771
(90,379 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)uponit7771
(90,379 posts)... get attention to this issue and stop fucking with tweets or other stupid shit they can't control.
MontanaMama
(23,371 posts)if the angry response we saw from the Dems leaving their intelligence briefing last week was more about THIS than anything. Maybe they got a "resistance is futile" message? A sort of "get on board or you're expendable" line of thinking?
The MSM cannot be counted on for anything other than their help right over this cliff. Independent media like MJ or FSTV is where we need to invest. This is heartbreaking and terrifying.
Squinch
(51,105 posts)leanforward
(1,077 posts)Do you think we'll hear sooner or later.
In the meantime, impeach dRump, comey resign, and bann flynn from the pentagon communication net. They need to get the hell out.
I'm a member of the loyal American opposition.
"power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely"
MontanaMama
(23,371 posts)then there may not be anyone or any group that can/will impeach the DFT. I'm thinking that is what the Dems heard in their briefing the other day - that this IS the new normal - Putin and his Shadow Brokers are not going anywhere. DFT knows this.
Russia not being our enemy is being floated in the MSM this morning.
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bdamomma
(63,998 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,131 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)is that he will be impeached for conflicts of interest and the whole Russia scandal will be dropped. The entire RNC must answer for their crimes.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Because the RNC neees Trump's supporters, and there will be hell to pay if Republicans impeach Trump. The GOP doesn't care how they get power so long as they can keep itm And, if they impeach Trump, it woild guarantee that they lose the subsequent election.
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sheshe2
(84,162 posts)We are screwed.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)triron
(22,039 posts)SunSeeker
(51,898 posts)Sid Fishes
(22 posts)Russian hacking alone wouldn't have prevented Hillary's election.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Response to Squinch (Original post)
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