Will the NCAA do the right thing and slap the Death Penalty on Penn State football?

[TheMightyFavog]

If this whole business isn't lack of institutional control, I don't know what is. This makes the SMU scandal of the 80s look like a freaking parking ticket. Penn State's football program needs some serious purging. But, it won't happen.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. I got laughed off DU2 for suggesting it. So, NO don't hold your breath --

all I wanted them to do was bow out for ONE WEEKEND in solidarity and out of respect for the victims. Somehow this was twisted to mean that -I- was victimizing the Sports Program.

whatever.

[sadbear]

2. Not sure what that would accomplish

It was a moral failing, not a athletic one. Let the law run its course. Prosecutors aren't done yet.

[DrDan]

3. good idea - punish the players and fans

[Logical]

7. Wow, you sound logical. Do you understand setting a example? ......

So the next program actually investigates it??? Wow are people clueless.

[DrDan]

29. I do - and the fans and players did not cover this up

go after those that did

[Logical]

39. No real punishment will not impactbthebfans. Jesus are you missing the point.

[joeybee12]

15. Yeah, it is a good idea...they covered it up because they wanted to protect the program...

Sucks for the players and fans, but it's what needs to be done in a case that is so fucking reprehnsible.

[DrDan]

28. the players and fans covered it up - I don't think so

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. That's how it always works.

Regardless of what the school is being penalized for, the players and fans are punished.

[RKP5637]

4. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. n/t

[MrSlayer]

5. Hahaha! No way in hell.

What matters here? Doing the right thing or money? The amount of money generated by PSU football is gargantuan.

I want to know what scumbag Tom Corbett knew and when.

[HubertHeaver]

6. Penn State should have ended their season when the scandal broke.

Freeze everybody in place and start their investigation. As they say, "let the chips fall where they may."

[rocktivity]

8. Penn State football was not the villain. The people who ran it were.

Only those guilty of perpetuating the coverup should be purged.


rocktivity

[SickOfTheOnePct]

9. Agree 100% n/t

[joeybee12]

17. It was an institutional failure...the moral failings go deep...

Cut the program, let the players transfer anywhere else...only something that really hurts will serve as a deterrent.

[obamanut2012]

25. And those were?

[leveymg]

10. You want to purge corruption -the NCAA should slap the death penalty on betting on college sports.

Nuke Vegas.

[wandy]

11. Don't punish the innocent........

Not a football fan, I am a Penn State alumni. In a more innocent age even a non sports fan could be proud of Penn States football team's, and sadly, now, Joe Peterno's accomplishments.
It is sad that in the end it worked out this way however that is no reason to end Penn State football.
Lets not destroy a good thing because of a few reprehensible people.
Penn state needs to clean up their act but then and again look at congress.
Talk about needing some serious purging.

[joeybee12]

18. It's more than a handful...it goes deep...

And it needs to be investigated thoroughly and let the chips fall.

[wandy]

22. Couldn't agree more.........

This was something to be looked up to.
Not to be looked down at.
Let the chips fall, but clean up you're act.

[taught_me_patience]

31. They should be punished

USC got a two year bowl ban and 3 years of probation with 30 scholarship losses for one player taking money from an agent. If this Penn State scandal isn't Lack of Institutional Control, then I really don't know what is. An appropriate punishment would probably be a three year bowl ban, one year TV ban, and 50 scholarship losses over 5 years.

[wandy]

47. The reprimand should be strictly monetary. Think about it......

50 scholarship losses over 5 years! That's 50 kids that might well end up on the dreaded food stamps, when given an education they might have been out designing the next generation of......
Fill in the blank with you're favorite area where technology let us down......

Yes! The entire sports area should be gone over with a fine tooth comb and purged as necessary.
It could be that some parts of Penn Satate management need be fired if not flat out put in prison.

But to deny 50 kids a chance at a collage education? I think not!

[taught_me_patience]

53. How about 30 kids denied a college education at USC?

for one player taking money from an agent? I'd say harboring a pedophile who was raping children on campus is just a little worse...

[NoMoreWarNow]

45. same could be said about the Catholic church, Congress, any big institution

[wandy]

48. You know, I really wish you were not right.....

Sadley, you are spot on.

[jaysunb]

12. Let's not get carried away w/ our emotions....

The student athletes can't and shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of others..and further more, this school and it's programs are an integral part of a vast community that has done nothing wrong.

Let it be......

[joeybee12]

19. Wrong...the whole community covered it up for years and years...

Let's not sugarcoat how bad and how deep this goes.

[JonLP24]

13. SMU's problems were gaining a competitive advantage

I fail to see how PSU is the same thing. Besides you're punishing student-athletes who had nothing to do w/ Sandusky.

[taught_me_patience]

32. Didn't stop the NCAA from blasting USC

five years after Reggie Bush was long gone from the program. PSU is a clear case of lack of institutional control. It's ALWAYS the players that had nothing to do with it who get punished.

[JonLP24]

35. Yes but my point was

SMU violated rules that gained a competitive advantage. In USC, an agent was paying Reggie Bush which was a competitive advantage over schools since they are not allowed to play players.

[taught_me_patience]

36. I think allowing a Sandusky to coach was a competitive advantage

he was a great defensive coordinator.

[JonLP24]

38. I guess

but I think the payments, going over minutes in recruit calls, extended practice hours, etc violate the spirit of the competitive advantage rules that led to those type of penalties such as death penalty. Sandusky just seems like a different problem.

Besides ever since the DP crushed the SMU program to the point where they haven't had a winning season until just a few years ago, NCAA has been very reluctant to ever use it again. I don't think they've used the DP since.

[obamanut2012]

41. You aren't punishing students if they can't play football

Students do not play football, students go to class and (hopefully) get a degree. Sports are not what higher education are for, no matter what Big Sports folks think. Students given athletic scholarships for this year can still get the money. They'll have more time ti study without a full-time job tacked on.

An investigation needs to be completed first.

[JonLP24]

42. If the program was suspended

I don't see them keeping their 1-year scholarship. I imagine all of them will have to transfer.

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Don't see how punishing uninvolved people via some kind of "Death Penalty" is doing the right thing.

n/t

[Initech]

16. If anything Penn State's board of trustees needs a good solid ass kicking.

They're the ones who prolonged this whole mess and let it continue to happen - if they didn't act sooner they could have saved Paterno's reputation. This would have been a blip instead of the shit storm that it turned out to be.

[joeybee12]

20. Joe Paterno could have saved his reputation by doing the right thing

He chose not to.

[IamK]

21. LOL!!!!!

[DinahMoeHum]

23. The Sandusky matter is way too far above the NCAA's jurisdiction.

The NCAA can only look into violations of their rules and regulations, including recruiting. Not criminal and civil matters like this one is - that's a job for the law courts.

[Karmadillo]

24. No. They'll look forward, not backwards.

[obamanut2012]

26. At a minimum, this season needs to be cancelled

Probably two or three seasons. The program needs to be investigated, people fired and possibly arrested, and the whole program revamped and safeguards installed.

That the season wasn't stopped last Fall is appalling.

[DrDan]

33. huh? dosesn't make sense.

investigate and hold folks responsible. fire. arrest. revamp. but . . .

Why punish the innocent. Just does not make any sense. Two, three seasons . . . does not make any sense.

[obamanut2012]

40. Of course it makes sense

No one is being punished. This is an investigation. You cannot have possible criminals running the program.

People go to college to get an education, not to play sports. A season or two or three will not stop that.

[DrDan]

44. "criminals running the program" - convicted everyone already?

agree with a complete investigation and let the chips fall. But . . . lets not get carried away by emotion.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

27. When Penn State football stops making lots of money.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Never happen

[RB TexLa]

37. The NCAA will never use the death penalty again on a Divison 1 football program

causes too much damage to other schools and the conference the school is in to justify it. For anything.

[TBF]

46. Maybe cancel a season or two to clean things up -

the Board of Trustees needs to be replaced, along with any higher-ups in the Football Program who would've known this was going on. I'm sure the prosecutors have more to do on this case.

[crimson77]

49. Why punish the kids, for the most part everyone is being taken care of, Paterno is dead

and Sandusky is going to jail.

[Avalux]

50. Why is that the right thing?

Go after the others who should be held responsible (including asshole Gov. Corbett), but don't penalize the players and fans who did nothing wrong. If it means overhauling those of the leadership who are left, then do it, but don't make the players sit.

It's a moot point anyway, the NCAA doesn't have the authority to issue the Death Penalty in this case.

[Initech]

51. I really wonder what the governor's role in all this was.

[Avalux]

52. He was attorney general at the time of that first investigation.....

allegations were made against Sandusky in 1998, they were looked into, and then the case was closed. Ray Gricar, the DA who chose to not go after Sandusky, disappeared without a trace in 2005.

There are many rumors (conspiracy theories?) about Corbett's involvement - the most extreme being that he forced the case closed then had Gricar knocked off (or maybe paid Gricar to disappear) because he was about to blow the whistle on Corbett.

On edit: Corbett was AG until 1997, then was re-elected in 2004.