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NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:48 PM Jan 2017

For those incensed by Trumps tweet re John Lewis

… you should be aware that the self-proclaimed True Progressives ™ at JPR are not only in complete agreement with Trumplethinskin’s assessment, but feel that he didn’t go far enough in discrediting the civil rights icon:

”You sold your legacy of police beatings and marches for civil rights with MLK to align yourself with the biggest corporate sellout loser candidate the dems have ever run. So when you take to the stage and claim that Trump isn’t a “legitimate” president, not only are you wrong, you’re also to blame for his having been elected in the first place.”

”He went from Civil Rights Icon to Civil Rights Sell-out. Despicable.”

”He actively worked to take down the people's candidate and helped sink his the campaign of a fellow civil rights champion. His support of $hillary who was illegitimate in so many ways, greatly weakens his charges against Trump. Lewis helped sink the most legitimate candidate we have had in my lifetime. His opinion on who is legitimate or not does not move me.”

”Well, he supported a white supremacist and a white supremacist got elected. So I dunno what his problem would be.”

” How's his Super Delegate shit working for him now?? And his low life arm twisting …oh yeah…he is throwing his temper tantrum now!! tough shit!!”

”Fuck him and fuck his “civil rights” cred. You have no street cred now, Mr. Lewis. You could have been MLK’s Siamese twin, but that means jack shit now. You sell out. Hillary ass kisser. Fuck off and cry.”

Also on the JPR homefront: Trump is the legitimately-elected pOTUS, and all stories about his Russian ties are “fake news”. The “Establishment” is trying to “steal” his presidency away from him because they were planning a war with Russia, and the peace-loving Trump - as always mindful of the welfare of others - is standing in their way by pursuing a meaningful friendship with Putin.

Amazed at how the (alleged) True Progressives ™ on JPR have so quickly morphed into Trumpettes? You shouldn’t be. That’s what happens when a site full of malleable malcontents is overrun with RWers, and are willing to swallow any swill emanating from anti-Dem sources.

JPR takes “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” idiocy to a whole new level. They are now on-board with Mr. Tangerine Man, based solely on the fact that he “saved” them from the horrors that a Hillary presidency would have brought about – like appointing billionaire, Goldman-Sachs-type corporatists to her Cabinet. (So glad we dodged THAT bullet!)

So beware of Trumpettes wearing JPR's version of True Progressive ™ clothing. They were RWers (or RW wannabees) all along – or sadder still, mindless sheep willing to follow the Judas Goat without hesitation, while pretending to be independent "thinkers" immune to being led by the nose to the slaughterhouse.



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For those incensed by Trumps tweet re John Lewis (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jan 2017 OP
Who are these people and what is JPR? madaboutharry Jan 2017 #1
jackpineradicals NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #15
Wow. madaboutharry Jan 2017 #21
Worse: Hostile media refer to them as "the Democratic base," Hortensis Oct 2018 #112
Arghh Gothmog Jan 2019 #118
Very hard for me to wrap my head around this.... n/t secondwind Jan 2017 #22
Everything you've said comes straight out of the dossier sarah FAILIN Jan 2017 #48
I followed JPR throughout the campaign. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #58
It's been clear for months that Putin funds JPR. yardwork Jan 2017 #82
This -- not paranoia, not a CT obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #92
Bet they did, and... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #101
Lots of folks over there whose names you'll recognize obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #89
These slugs hyjacked Wellstone ruled Jan 2017 #107
Prop Or Not lists it as a compromised site. N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #115
JPR was on the list of sites promoting russian fake news Gothmog Jan 2017 #38
wow, of course that makes all kinds of sense flamingdem Jan 2017 #79
One of the latest examples of stupidity is the claim that it was good for russia to steal election Gothmog Jan 2017 #100
I think this goes way back. yardwork Jan 2017 #106
Alleged progressives but mostly uber assholes. Historic NY Jan 2017 #77
Rec! bravenak Jan 2017 #2
So sad. nt. marybourg Jan 2017 #3
Why pay the slightest attention to JPR? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #4
Many of them came from here and some of them still post here. pnwmom Jan 2017 #62
Go look at the JPR posters who recommended that thread Gothmog Jan 2017 #75
I think it is much more than that. We ignore this at our peril. yardwork Jan 2017 #83
It tells a story of a bigger picture. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #103
Yes. It is part of a bigger picture, which is how Trump got here. yardwork Jan 2017 #104
Because of here obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #91
What a bunch of fucking clowns... SidDithers Jan 2017 #5
+1 2naSalit Jan 2017 #7
Can't go there anymore. Lifelong Protester Jan 2017 #6
Putin enthusiasts have infested that site. dalton99a Jan 2017 #55
The site is off the rails. Lifelong Protester Jan 2017 #98
sounds like many of the self-identified supporters of that other guy during the primary bigtree Jan 2017 #8
Most of Bernie's supporters, like me, stayed on DU The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #11
But he's still doing his victory lap, isn't he? baldguy Jan 2017 #12
So what? You're under no obligation to agree with him. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #13
Try telling that to some of his more misinformed, yet exuberant supporters. baldguy Jan 2017 #17
I don't care about them. I support anyone, including Bernie, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #18
. baldguy Jan 2017 #20
That Snip Sounds Like. . . ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #94
this obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #93
you are absolutely right still_one Jan 2017 #27
hard to wipe away the recent memory of how John Lewis was degraded in this very forum bigtree Jan 2017 #33
In any group there are bound to be a few assholes. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #34
Brock has nothing to do with this forum bigtree Jan 2017 #35
I see that sort of excuse time and time again BainsBane Jan 2017 #90
On JPR last night this was the leading Greatest thread Gothmog Jan 2017 #37
Horseshoe theory defined. Charles Bukowski Jan 2017 #9
Sounds like a fun crowd. HassleCat Jan 2017 #10
Many of them used to be here, driving sane people crazy. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #61
Taking the Perverted Predatory Vulgarian over Civil Rights Icon Cha Jan 2017 #14
Sounds like FR MarvinGardens Jan 2017 #16
JPR was still in its infancy ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #19
Sounds like one of those enclosed environments where the rats multiply beyond the capacity of the NBachers Jan 2017 #23
I think that pretty well sums it up. n/t NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #26
I take comfort in the fact that John Lewis' books shot up the charts today Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #24
Yes, that was amazing! n/t NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #25
Yes! I posted about here, Starry. Cha Jan 2017 #80
Maybe they're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #28
As an old friend used to say ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #29
The Stockholm Syndome threads and the fights afterwards... The Polack MSgt Jan 2017 #76
If only all the angry stupid hot air from that site were somehow harnessed as a renewable energy. betsuni Jan 2017 #30
I understand why you try to call JPR on their stuff DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #31
Oh, make no mistake. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #32
And I can think of no one better to do it. Kick ass and ... 11 Bravo Jan 2017 #87
The fact that JPR idiots applauded Congressman Lews being booed is really sad and sick Gothmog Jan 2017 #36
Yes, it is. But who cares? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #39
Why so defensive of them and why you trying to stop discussion about those racist fuckers?? boston bean Jan 2017 #63
They are a small group of dumbasses who don't deserve The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #65
Says you. Those persons started off as bernie supporters in this site. We get to discuss boston bean Jan 2017 #66
Energy better spent talking about the evils of propaganda than pretending it didn't happen. JTFrog Jan 2017 #72
It follows that everyone responding on this thread does... including yourself. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #99
K&R! NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #40
A current thread there is all about mcar Jan 2017 #41
They really are ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #43
My fear, is that these types, being so convinced of their own righteousness ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #42
They spread Kremlin propaganda BainsBane Jan 2017 #67
JackASS Deplorables continue to display their dimwit philosophy. nt oasis Jan 2017 #44
KnR, Nance Hekate Jan 2017 #45
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #46
it's hard to see where you actually get John Lewis bigtree Jan 2017 #47
Those figures are meaningless. KamaAina Jan 2017 #49
Votes are not meaningless BainsBane Jan 2017 #69
I know he voted for that crime bill he used as a political cudgel against Hillary bigtree Jan 2017 #70
they didn't, Blacks latinos and other non whites are the ones keeping the country from moving right JI7 Jan 2017 #50
I meant in the primaries. KamaAina Jan 2017 #51
they didn't vote for a neoliberal. most white people voted for a racist. JI7 Jan 2017 #52
You mean where voters of colour ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #56
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #57
because of white voters who voted for a racist JI7 Jan 2017 #59
And Bernie couldn't beat HRC ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #60
So did Jewish voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #78
POC voted for the Democratic, liberal candidate, Hillary Clinton obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #95
Thank you for patiently posting actual facts to refute nonsense. yardwork Jan 2017 #84
It broke my heart ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #54
You know what I'm thinking, right? boston bean Jan 2017 #64
The posts about JPR ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #68
Don't forget when they called Dolores Huerta a liar. yardwork Jan 2017 #85
JPR is Freeperville on steroids leftofcool Jan 2017 #53
If I wanted to read that board melman Jan 2017 #71
Lots of JPR folks are still posting here as well. yardwork Jan 2017 #86
JPR must be run by Russian trolls, hackers, and Ilsa Jan 2017 #73
+1000 JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #81
Yeah, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. Ilsa Jan 2017 #108
These posts are from only the latest thread on JPR on Lewis Gothmog Jan 2017 #74
I wouldn't go there if you paid me! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #88
I think a fair number of JPR posters are, in fact, paid trolls. yardwork Jan 2017 #96
Wow, you are right. You just provided me with an epiphany of what is happening over there still_one Jan 2017 #97
That site harbors a number of uncared for mentally ill persons. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #102
Ironically, they helped ensure less mental health care nationwide. yardwork Jan 2017 #105
That is so very very true Gothmog Jan 2017 #110
There are more than one thread regarding hatred for Congressman Lewis on that site Gothmog Jan 2017 #109
Much like the swift change from "I'd totes vote for Liz Warrent for POTUS, so I can't be misogynist" ehrnst Oct 2018 #111
Bookmarking this for posterity mcar Oct 2018 #113
The JPR clip reveals something else worth noting: Hortensis Dec 2018 #114
Agreed Gothmog Dec 2018 #116
Civil Rights Legend - the genuine article. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #117
Crossing the Bridge Gothmog Jul 2020 #119

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
15. jackpineradicals
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:22 AM
Jan 2017

A website established by (alleged) Bernie supporters during the primaries to escape the "persecution" of BS supporters by the DU admins.

The site was started by banned DUers who needed a place to post their anti-HRC/anti-Dem bullshit. Other banned DUers quickly signed-up at JPR, along with (alleged) Bernie supporters who wanted to call Hillary a "c*nt" without having their posts removed.

The site was quickly taken over by RWers who saw an opportunity to turn disgruntled Dems into RW adherents - and it worked extremely well. Those who once claimed to be True Progressives (tm) lost no time in becoming RW sheep, eager to post links to RW sources as "proof" of the corruption of the Democratic Party.

JPR worked tirelessly throughout the campaign to disparage Dems, and exalt Republicans as the true heroes of democracy.

The posters there are now convinced (as only the easily-led can be convinced) that Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the country - a truly concerned, peace-loving pOTUS who is being maligned by HRC/Dem voters who can't accept that she lost to the "better candidate".

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
21. Wow.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:38 AM
Jan 2017

That is scary. People can be so easily made to change the way they see the world. It sounds like a cult.

Thank you for the explanation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
112. Worse: Hostile media refer to them as "the Democratic base,"
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 11:48 AM
Oct 2018

along with others who agree with them in general but are less extreme. They will all vote for a few Democratic candidates who wear their label and shout their slogans, but they often refuse to vote for others. I've had people right here on DU tell me that they won't vote for mainstream Democrats, even to keep the seats out of Republican hands, as a matter of conscience.

When I see THESE people referred to as our party's dependable base, instead of people who've been voting reliably Democratic for years, I strongly question the source's agenda.

HERE's the latest product of their conscience:

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
48. Everything you've said comes straight out of the dossier
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:59 PM
Jan 2017

Part of what it talked about was flipping Bernie supporters to Trump supporters. Sounds like it was a rousing success..

Makes me wonder if the Russians working the JPR had anything to do with hacking this site.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
58. I followed JPR throughout the campaign.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:42 AM
Jan 2017

It was a study in how the easily-led are - well, so easily led. In fact, VERY easily led.

Not surprisingly, it's the people who are constantly touting their independent thinking who were the most prone to "going along with the crowd", even when that meant taking completely opposite positions to those they'd held all along.

And those who yelled the loudest about not believing anything without verification were the first to get sucked into conspiracy theories that were not only fact-free, but completely devoid of common sense.

It was quite an eye-opener - watching people I'd formerly thought of as rational human beings suddenly embracing Pizzagate, and quoting Alex Jones as a highly-respected, reputable source.





yardwork

(61,650 posts)
82. It's been clear for months that Putin funds JPR.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 11:50 AM
Jan 2017

All the Russia Times talking points are there. JPR and many sites like it, plus all the fake news spread via Facebook and twitter, are part of the Trump campaign strategy run by the Russians.

Literally hundreds of DUers were taken in, as evidenced by their posting and reccing absurdly false stories about Hillary Clinton on JPR. All those people in turn spread the lies to friends and families. Echoes of it are still resonating on DU.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
92. This -- not paranoia, not a CT
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jan 2017

It is very, very obvious.

Just how it is obvious DU was infiltrated during the primaries, and then attacked and silenced on Election Day.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
101. Bet they did, and...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jan 2017

could be the source of those nasty "Bernie Bros" who were instigating divide and conquer tactics here, there and everywhere.

Gothmog

(145,320 posts)
38. JPR was on the list of sites promoting russian fake news
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 02:56 PM
Jan 2017

These idiots hate democrats and believe that russia and putin are our friends.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
79. wow, of course that makes all kinds of sense
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 11:21 AM
Jan 2017

and it all started back during the Obama campaign, the second one, when irrational stuff was being spouted to the point that another group was formed privately to support Obama

Gothmog

(145,320 posts)
100. One of the latest examples of stupidity is the claim that it was good for russia to steal election
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:14 PM
Jan 2017

Evidently anyone who complains about russia and putin stealing the election are bad people who want nuclear war with russia. I wish that I was making this up

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
106. I think this goes way back.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:49 PM
Jan 2017

Years ago, anybody on DU who pointed out Iran's anti-gay policies was accused of wanting war with Iran. Same exact strategy.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
62. Many of them came from here and some of them still post here.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:21 AM
Jan 2017

When we find ourselves talking to haters here, we should consider that they really belong there.

Gothmog

(145,320 posts)
75. Go look at the JPR posters who recommended that thread
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 10:41 AM
Jan 2017

You will see a number of familiar names from this board

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
104. Yes. It is part of a bigger picture, which is how Trump got here.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jan 2017

If we don't want to keep repeating the same mistakes and continue to be taken in - and lose - we have to face what happened and is still happening.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
91. Because of here
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jan 2017

Some come and try and sow discord and division here. It worked during the primaries, although not as much now. They reswarmed DU after the election, which is why I stayed away.

The only way to survive the next few years is unity and solidarity.

Remember how DU was attacked and silenced Election Day and the week after?

That's why.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
6. Can't go there anymore.
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:55 PM
Jan 2017

I am not a Trumpette. The site was OK when it was pro-Bernie, but then it crossed the line.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
98. The site is off the rails.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:27 PM
Jan 2017

I had to hide under my desk and go down to the scary basement of my one-room school house too often, courtesy of the Ruskies, I spent several days in a bomb shelter during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I can't stomach much 'pro-Putin' talk.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
8. sounds like many of the self-identified supporters of that other guy during the primary
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:00 AM
Jan 2017

...that guy who was briefly (self) associated with our party.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
11. Most of Bernie's supporters, like me, stayed on DU
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:14 AM
Jan 2017

and supported Hillary during the GE. JPR is a small collection of people who never understood what was at stake, and I'd thank you for refraining from painting us all with an unfairly broad brush. We are all, I hope, now united in opposing and resisting Trump instead of refighting the primaries.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
12. But he's still doing his victory lap, isn't he?
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:17 AM
Jan 2017

And tossing mud balls at the Big Tent while he's at it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
18. I don't care about them. I support anyone, including Bernie,
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:30 AM
Jan 2017

who is trying to stand up against Trump and the GOP. Right now Bernie is working hard to save the ACA, Medicare and Social Security from what the GOP is trying to do. That's important; the other shit isn't.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
20. .
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:35 AM
Jan 2017
To wit, during a recent town hall with CNN, Sanders was asked if the Democrats, like the Republicans immediately following the swearing-in of President Barack Obama, should obstruct the new commander in chief. “I don’t think that’s what we do,” Sanders answered. “I think where Trump has ideas that make sense that we can work with him on, I think we should.”

more

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
94. That Snip Sounds Like. . .
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jan 2017

. . .the completely reasonable suggestion of a legislator who doesn't want to behave like the repubs for the last 8 years.

If they had done that, a lot more good would have been done on behalf of the public.

There's a difference between listening to reason and recognizing a good idea when you hear one, and pure obstructionism.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
33. hard to wipe away the recent memory of how John Lewis was degraded in this very forum
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 10:03 AM
Jan 2017

...and I don't think that should be ignored as just some campaign nonsense.

To attack John Lewis, in the ways he was jumped on here for an understandable misinterpretation of his remarks betrayed a fundamental lack of appreciation for the fights and struggles he's endured.

Let's just note, though, to avoid ruffling sensibilities, that the criticisms weren't coming from Hillary Clinton supporters, and very few (if any) retractions were offered in the face of his explanation for the gaffe.

It's weird for me to see this brushed under the rug, but, oh, well.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
34. In any group there are bound to be a few assholes.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:51 PM
Jan 2017

But not all of the assholes on DU were Bernie supporters, which is why JPL was created in the first place - to get away from some other assholes. It's regrettable that it became what it is. As to John Lewis, I did not disparage him, nor did many other Sanders supporters. Furthermore, it appeared at that time that the reports of "many" Bernie supporters doing so actually came from David Brock:

Enter well-known smear merchant David Brock.

Brock recently acquired Blue Nation Review and is using it to further Clinton's campaign. Brock's Correct the Record SuperPAC works closely with the Clinton campaign through a series of creative federal loopholes.

There's no question Brock supports Clinton. No reason to even argue that point.

But what Brock did today hearkens back to his time as a right-winger hell bent on destroying Anita Hill to further the nomination of now Justice Clarence Thomas, arguably the most incompetent member of the Supreme Court.

Within an hour or two of Lewis' comments, Brock's "reporter" had a story lined up and ready about how Sanders' supporters were trolling Lewis: http://bluenationreview.com/civil-rights-legend-john-lewis-trolled-by-bernie-supporters/

Pretty quick "reporting" there, Brock. Or was this a political set up?

When one reads most of the comments, they are from people who SAY Sanders supporters are trolling Lewis, but aren't Tweets from those who actually are. Most of the comments are from Twitter denizens who are warning trollers not to troll, which is fine and perfectly acceptable, but it's still not examples of a cadre of race-baiting Sanders supporters.

There are some derogatory comments, sure, but not from self-described Sanders supporters. A quick read of their accounts don't even MENTION Bernie Sanders on their homes pages and some are obvious right-wingers.

So how many Bernie supporters making angry statements did Brock's team dig up?

Two.

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/12511205305#post1


bigtree

(85,998 posts)
35. Brock has nothing to do with this forum
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 02:43 PM
Jan 2017

...or the comments here that I'm talking about, many from prominent DUers.

I really don't know why you think defending yourself is a sufficient explanation. It's also unconvincing and a bit disingenuous to suggest Brock (who I've never focused on, or read more than excerpts provided here by his detractors) is the source of my experiences during the primary here.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
90. I see that sort of excuse time and time again
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jan 2017

Insisting something we all witnessed in real time was invented by some media foe. Like we don't know what we saw.

Cha

(297,305 posts)
14. Taking the Perverted Predatory Vulgarian over Civil Rights Icon
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:21 AM
Jan 2017

John Lewis?!!!!

Just how full of shite are these people? Never mind.. don't want to know.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
19. JPR was still in its infancy ...
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:33 AM
Jan 2017

... when it started sounding like FR. The similarity between the two sites was, and still is, unmistakable.

NBachers

(17,120 posts)
23. Sounds like one of those enclosed environments where the rats multiply beyond the capacity of the
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 03:44 AM
Jan 2017

environment to support them. They become a writhing mass of psychotic cannibals.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
24. I take comfort in the fact that John Lewis' books shot up the charts today
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 03:50 AM
Jan 2017

Number 1&2 on Amazon. I had to block some hateful faux-lefty shitheads on social media today over this--but I hope John Lewis knows the majority of us love and cherish him.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
29. As an old friend used to say ...
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 04:39 AM
Jan 2017

... "More true than funny."

Stockholm Syndrome: feelings of trust or affection felt in certain cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor.

JPR is a classic example of "victims" embracing their RW captors.

So if the syndrome fits ...

The Polack MSgt

(13,189 posts)
76. The Stockholm Syndome threads and the fights afterwards...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jan 2017

That was an eye opening time here in DU.

I was glad to see that gaggle of shit heads walk away from here.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
30. If only all the angry stupid hot air from that site were somehow harnessed as a renewable energy.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 05:22 AM
Jan 2017

It should be surrounded by wind turbines. When life gives you True Progressives, make lemonade.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
31. I understand why you try to call JPR on their stuff
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 05:44 AM
Jan 2017

on the other hand though, the more you call them out more attention they get, and let's not forget getting any attention, even negative attention as part of our strategy. I understand you are trying to get people away from their so that they don't get sucked in, the way some religions more people at county fairs with "free stress test", however I would just simply add a bit of caution must a bunch people who never even went to that site now go over there, look, and then wind up drinking the Kool-Aid.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
32. Oh, make no mistake.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 06:23 AM
Jan 2017

I want them to get attention - LOTS of it - as much as possible.

It's the tried-and-true way of exposing charlatans - snake oil salesmen, ponzi scheme promoters, even Russian trolls - or those who pose as True Progressives (TM) when they're really RWers.

Anyone who goes there and winds up "drinking the Kool-aid" was bound to do so eventually anyway. The weak-minded are always vulnerable, easily sucked-in.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
87. And I can think of no one better to do it. Kick ass and ...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:02 PM
Jan 2017

take names, Nance! JPR is a flat-out conglomeration of frauds.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
39. Yes, it is. But who cares?
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jan 2017

It's a very small number of silly people who don't deserve any attention at all. They're like this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoichi_Yokoi or the Southerners who are still fighting the Civil War. In fact, making a big deal over some nitwits at JPL isn't much different - it's basically refighting the primaries, which is stupid, divisive and counterproductive. I'm done; you guys can hang out with Shoichi Yokoi and fuss over the meanies at JPL but I'd rather concentrate my efforts on counteracting an actual danger, that being the administration of Donald Trump.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
65. They are a small group of dumbasses who don't deserve
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:38 AM
Jan 2017

the energy being put forth to complain about them, is why.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
66. Says you. Those persons started off as bernie supporters in this site. We get to discuss
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:43 AM
Jan 2017

that and Mock the shit out of them for what they helped rain down upon this country. Never mind the racist and misogynistic bullshit they were allowed to spew here for over a year.

Don't like it. Don't click on it.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
72. Energy better spent talking about the evils of propaganda than pretending it didn't happen.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 08:52 AM
Jan 2017

Trying to get people to pretend these folks don't exist is a waste of energy. There are many lessons to be learned and that place is a shining product of the propaganda machine that was in full force this election.

So how is it a waste to discuss those lessons? What is a big waste of energy is trying to shame people for discussing those lessons. And it's an even bigger waste of energy trying to defend the water carriers as I've seen others do recently.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
99. It follows that everyone responding on this thread does... including yourself.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:34 PM
Jan 2017

"But who cares?"
It follows that everyone responding on this thread does to some extent... including yourself.

"but I'd rather concentrate my efforts on counteracting..."
As you continue to pretend that observance of the one denies action on the other, and as you continue to minimize and trivialize those same observances, you illustrate your own narrative much more than you may realize.

You're trying too hard.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
40. K&R!
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:51 PM
Jan 2017
HUGE Really really BIG rec. Those who respond by saying "but not all Sanders supporters are like these idiots" I think we all know that. We know that many of them pivoted at the end of the primaries and supported and voted for Hillary Clinton.

That's not the point of this OP. I don't want to put words into Nance's mouth; this is my idea only: the point is, right now many of these people are swarming back into DU like a plague of locusts. They're up to their usual tricks of trashing anyone, including an icon like John Lewis, who dared support the Democratic candidate. They have to be a bit more subtle than at JPR, but just peruse Postmortem any day of the week and you'll see their poison.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
41. A current thread there is all about
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jan 2017

how Trump makes mistakes but is well meaning. He's trying to keep us from war, doncha know, unlike that warmonger bi$@# Hillary.

The very familiar posters all try to sound so intellectual and liberal. They sound like a bunch of kiddle schoolers who just learned about Marxism (apologies to middle schoolers).

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
43. They really are ...
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 10:14 PM
Jan 2017

... that "special kind of stupid".

After months of posts about how HRC was dying, was walking around in a full-body brace to hide her condition, was using a body-double for appearances to keep her fatal illness secret from the public, I've yet to hear a single one of them explain what can only be described as a miraculous recovery.

They will literally swallow anything.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
42. My fear, is that these types, being so convinced of their own righteousness
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jan 2017

Will continue to sabotage the Democratic Party, depite the clear danger to all human beings of the Republicans weak sauce they offer as "policy".

They are so addicted to being right, they really will watch the world burn in the most literal sense. I want to keep these assholes from having anything to do with our party. They are sick, and yes they need help--but the first step is admitting you have a problem. I don't see that happening, so yes, we need to be diligent, and not give their bullshit a pass, the recent--and almost classic-- example being The Trashing of Cory Booker.

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
47. it's hard to see where you actually get John Lewis
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:58 PM
Jan 2017

...and still believe he advocated 'moving the party to the right.'

That's just pablum generated by a campaign for someone who voted well over 90% of the time with Hillary.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
69. Votes are not meaningless
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:15 AM
Jan 2017

but you refuse to grant people of color the same consideration that your failed candidate insists we give Trump voters demonstrates how that cmpaign managed to alienate the great majority of people of color and Democrats more generally.


bigtree

(85,998 posts)
70. I know he voted for that crime bill he used as a political cudgel against Hillary
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 08:17 AM
Jan 2017

...in an amazingly hypocritical, cynical attempt to curry favor with black voters.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
50. they didn't, Blacks latinos and other non whites are the ones keeping the country from moving right
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:10 AM
Jan 2017

90 percent of black women voted for Russ Feingold. 30 percent of White Men voted for Feingold.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
56. You mean where voters of colour ...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:00 AM
Jan 2017

... voted for who they wanted as their candidate, instead of who you wanted them to vote for.

How long is this cry-fest going to continue? Bernie lost the nomination because the majority of Democrats wanted HRC as their nominee, NOT Bernie. I'm not quite sure why that fact is beyond some people's comprehension.

Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #56)

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
60. And Bernie couldn't beat HRC ...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:53 AM
Jan 2017

... so where does that leave him?

BTW, was the "drunken goat" the target of Russian interference and Comey slamming down his fist on the scales ten days before the election?

Face it - with all of HRC's alleged "baggage" weighing her down, the pure-and-pristine, can-do-no-wrong Bernie still couldn't win among the voters whose ticket he was supposedly running on.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
95. POC voted for the Democratic, liberal candidate, Hillary Clinton
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:05 PM
Jan 2017

No neoliberal was part of the Dem primary.

Keep tryin', we ain't buyin'.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
54. It broke my heart ...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:45 AM
Jan 2017

... when John Lewis' FaceBook page was littered with vile, racist comments by Bernie supporters when he endorsed HRC.

And then there were the equally vile and misogynistic comments left by Bernie supporters on Elizabeth Warren's FaceBook page when she failed to endorse Bernie.

If you want to believe that Lewis' endorsement meant AAs and Latinas were moving the party to the right, that's your prerogative - as laughable as it may be.

Maybe Bernie supporters should have been more concerned with their own behaviour, which opened a lot of eyes as to the types of people who were supporting him.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
64. You know what I'm thinking, right?
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:37 AM
Jan 2017

Someone in this convo is on the right. I don't know any dem who insults John Lewis.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
68. The posts about JPR ...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:55 AM
Jan 2017

... always draw them out. Gee, I wonder why?

"I don't know any dem who insults John Lewis."

Neither do I.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
71. If I wanted to read that board
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 08:19 AM
Jan 2017

I know where to find it.


I suspect everyone else can figure out how to get there too.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
73. JPR must be run by Russian trolls, hackers, and
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jan 2017

FSB employees as a disinformation and propaganda site.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
108. Yeah, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jan 2017

I have even wondered if an old internet friend has died and someone has taken over her sign-ons because she's become so vicious about democrats lately.

Gothmog

(145,320 posts)
74. These posts are from only the latest thread on JPR on Lewis
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 10:39 AM
Jan 2017

The JPR idiots really hate John Lewis and have attacked him on other threads in the past

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
96. I think a fair number of JPR posters are, in fact, paid trolls.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:06 PM
Jan 2017

Anybody posting there who isn't getting paid is being duped, imo.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
102. That site harbors a number of uncared for mentally ill persons.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jan 2017

We really need to do a better job in this country of getting people access to care. We need to fight harder. We need to help these people. At this point they have been let down by family, friends, and society. Not all mental illness manifests itself in such hatred. That said, society would be a better place if we could get control and provide some of these people with the help they so desperately need.

Gothmog

(145,320 posts)
109. There are more than one thread regarding hatred for Congressman Lewis on that site
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 09:22 PM
Jan 2017

For educational purposes, here are some additional posts from two more threads

Thank you Rep John Lewis- For electing Trump. You and the other Hillbot’s racist attacks on Bernie has driven a wedge in the Democratic heart.

Feel free to retire, sell-out.-Sounds like your once great spine has osteoporosed to the point of non-existence.

So many people staked their careers and reputations on that awful woman-instead of supporting Bernie which was the right thing to do.

Seeing John Lewis stand there and tarnish Bernie's record was the breaking point-That was the day that I said to myself there isn’t anything Hillary could do to earn my vote. Totally shameful. I felt that there had to be some serious pressure on him to say what he said about Bernie.

It was a bullshit excuse that he gave and the damage had already been done.-That, combined with the Jonathan Capehart lie that the photos of Bernie at the University of Chicago weren’t really of Bernie, did a lot of damage. There was no need for John Lewis to do that, he could have endorsed Hillary without smearing him. He did an awful thing

Thank you!!!!!!! no sympathy here,sellout Lewis-he went against what MLK stood for.

exacty. Thank you. MLK Jr. fought for Civil Rights, and denounced economic-injustice and war. The entire Democratic Party has abandoned economic justice and peace! Hillary supporters actually shouted USA! USA! when Bernie delegates shouted No more war! during Leon Pannetta’s speech. Since when did no more war become an unacceptable phrase in the Democratic Party?

Whatever is said to that BS, lying, POS…-…it cannot be loud enough. He fucked over someone who worked his ass off for equality to support a Goldwater Girl. Fuck you, John Lewis, you are traitor as far as I am concerned.

I used to have so much respect for him-But my eyes have been opened and they can’t close again. At the time he probably was like ” you owe me” so he took it. Now they just use him, they bring him out for the AA vote. How can he believe what he is saying, I can’t find any reasoning in this. He KNOWS who they are and is accepting it.

BTW, I excluded a couple of posts using the F-word.

The degree of hatred on that site is amazing

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
111. Much like the swift change from "I'd totes vote for Liz Warrent for POTUS, so I can't be misogynist"
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 11:37 AM
Oct 2018

to: "You Wall Street sellout!!!" 4.3 minutes after she endorsed HRC....

You needed antibiotics if you even looked at her FB page.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
114. The JPR clip reveals something else worth noting:
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:03 PM
Dec 2018

That there are actually many strong similarities between those on the farther left and the farther right, the more extreme the more they have in common with each other, including extreme righteousness and hostility to those not with them, and the less they have in common with everyone else.

In fact, this time last century communist and fascist groups were successfully wooing each others' followers, so no surprise that some of these people apparently voted for Trump and some others just hoped for a Republican victory as a necessary first step to destroying the evil Democratic Party. You know, to clear the way for or herald the beginning of their revolution, or whatever.

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