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What is coming.....
Buuuut someone is dancing with some stars!
Maybe if our children aren't killed by wildfires, floods, or violent weather by then they will still be alive to cuss us.....
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Please stop. We have so much ammo that we don't need to do this shit.
Climate change deniers are fucking idiots.
TaterBake
(56 posts)The town where I graduated High School.....
Further up the road.
Drill baby drill!!!!!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)TaterBake
(56 posts)Co2 Above 400 PPM = And Getting Higher = Devastation on a scale not seen since the last extinction.
Oh, and the oceans, and coral reefs are dying off at an insane rate too!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That is my point. We don't need to sound crazy. We have science on our side.
liberal N proud
(60,348 posts)Let the ice melt and see what happens.
Come back after you have tried this.
Now think about all the ice melting at the polls.
Consider Florida the rim of the glass.
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/are-effects-global-warming-really-bad
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)liberal N proud
(60,348 posts)The water lapping at Disney World, the submerged outer banks or the statue of liberty wading in the Hudson.
But given your denial, what danger is there in being safe and treating our planet a little better?
Clean air and fewer extinctions and a little less pollution.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Ice that rests on land (Think Antartica, Greenland) will raise sea levels. To put it in your glass analog, suspend three ice cubes with strings over your full glass.
Let the ice melt and see what happens.
Come back after you have tried this
airplaneman
(1,240 posts)Antarctica is a continent with ice stacked as high as 11,000 feet and Greenland has about 1/10 as much ice as Antarctica. Although you are correct about the north polar floating ice that is not where all the frozen water is.
-Airplane
rickford66
(5,530 posts)The permanent ice shelf was starting to break up then.
airplaneman
(1,240 posts)rickford66
(5,530 posts)One of our Chiefs tripped on a bucket and broke his leg. We were drinking at the time of course.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)it doesn't spill?
yardwork
(61,729 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)And do not forget heating and cooling your house, your computer, your car.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)yardwork
(61,729 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Will be underwater in eighty years. The comment is a set up to make us look anti-science and foolish.
I now get you want to promote that assertion. You have made yourself clear. I personally believe the position you hold is so anti-science that it hurts our cause.
yardwork
(61,729 posts)You asked what coal had to do with sea level rise and I responded.
As for "most of Florida by 2100," there are a number of different models. Experts I know personally have told me that sea level rise may be faster and higher than previously predicted. I don't know but I don't think it is foolish and anti-science to be aware.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I was clearly and simply addressing the hard-core anti-science bent going on here.
At no point have I been rude to you. No clue where you are coming from. I get it. You believe most of Florida will be underwater in eighty years. I am simply letting you know that is a position well outside of any factual data and is anti-scientific. You interjected here.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The Eeyores are out in force.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)TaterBake
(56 posts)Welcome to my world.....
Maybe the rest of Washington will burn next summer.
We still have a few green trees, at least for a while.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Not sure I understand the point of your post.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)
Buns_of_Fire
(17,202 posts)But don't fear for their financial standing. By then, either he will have unloaded it on some sucker or the bananarepublicans will have passed the "Protect Trump Bankroll Act", which will reimburse The Family for all losses in perpetuity.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)right now, estimates are for a 1 meter rise by 2100:
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/rising_waters_how_fast_and_how_far_will_sea_levels_rise/2702/
But, that could change depending on Antarctic and Greenland glacial melt.
To see how much of Florida will be underwater at various rises:
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/florida.shtml
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Large chunks of Florida development are built on land fill. So more dredging and landfilling should accommodate a 1 meter rise.
Auggie
(31,217 posts)When people are panicked and looking for solutions the Right will already have their pro-corporate policies in place, ready to implement.
Perhaps one or two will repent when it hits their backyard or kid. Standard practice.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)I think scientists will find a way to reverse CO2 poisoning of our planet.
We can convert CO2 into its component atoms of carbon and oxygen now, it's just expensive and the power requirements are high. In 10 or 15 years, that may not still be the case.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)I don't think scientists are just going to sit on their asses for the next 83 years on this issue.
NickB79
(19,277 posts)Recall how Carter put solar panels on the White House, but that fucknut Reagan had them removed? We HAD the answers years ago; all we lacked (and still lack) is any motivation to do something. And if we wait to get motivated until the waves are literally lapping at your feet, or your crops are dying in the fields, you've already lost the war. It's impossible to stop something like a glacier the size of New York from sliding off of Antarctica or Greenland once it's in motion.
Scientists can't do anything to fix the problem if politicians don't believe them, much less work with them.
Rage4Bacon
(43 posts)develop mature nanotech, which should happen - regardless of POTUS - over the next 2 or 3 decades. Nanotech will most certainly be able to resolve global warming, but will introduce new problems... Some of them FAR more dangerous than global warming itself.
Google "exponential technology curves"... Your intuition about what is coming is wrong AND too conservative. People think linearly because we haven't encountered an exponential technology curve before.
handmade34
(22,759 posts)want to limit money for scientific research 
NickB79
(19,277 posts)We emit something on the order of 30 BILLION tons of CO2 a year. We are at 400 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere now; to prevent catastrophic climate change we need to reduce that to 350 ppm or lower, in only a few decades. 50 ppm of CO2 translates to roughly 400 BILLION tons of CO2 that we need to actively remove and then sequester deep in the earth somewhere. This would require insane amounts of energy, only feasible if we were to crack the code to unlimited fusion power (still a couple decades away from commercial appication) and then build a few thousand fusion reactors in a decade or two.
Oh, and we need to do this while we go full-stop on any new carbon emissions. That means zero use of coal, oil or natural gas.
And we need to do this while climate disasters already starting to hit today get progressively worse and cause billions (if not trillions) of dollars of damage around the world, wreaking crops and causing social unrest and collapse.
We've dug ourselves into a hole a mile deep, and think we can get out of it with a a few baby steps here and there.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Basically; we are fucked regardless of what happens, nobody can do shit, and buying property in Florida is a lost cause.
There's not a single politician in the world that's advocating the kinds of steps you say are required.
I disagree with your premise btw. Between 65% to 86% of CO2 dissolves into the ocean over a period of 20-200 years. If we can reduce or convert a portion of what we are sending up, over time, the impact of CO2 will decline.
Hugin
(33,222 posts)It was a side plot in a story I was reading years ago.
Large "farms" of simple strands of plastic coated with Calcium suspended by small floats were established in the Oceans. The idea was that the Calcium and CO2 in the ocean water would form Calcium Carbonate (aka Limestone or Lime Scale) on the strands and eventually their weight would sink them to the bottom of the ocean taking a quantity of Carbon out of the biosphere.
I remember thinking a plan like that would be at least plausible and maybe even feasible. I think it was mentioned in the story that these farms were funded by corporations and governments as a way to earn "carbon credits".
Anyway, your mention of the amount of CO2 dissolved in the ocean reminded me of this.
waddirum
(980 posts)is to sequester the CO2 gas into carbonate salts.
Iggo
(47,579 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The high-end projections have a 5-foot sea level rise resulting in only that portion of the peninsula south of US 41 below sea level. Much, yes; however not most, regardless of who dances this week.
Just a heads-up: securing fact-based data is often far preferable to wild guesses predicated wholly on melodrama and bias.
haele
(12,686 posts)I used to work in Jacksonville and Key West on occasion. The highest natural land area up and down the coast is, is around, what, 25 - 30 ft above sea level? In Orlando, where I went to boot camp, it's about the same.
It's flooding during storms that cause the problem.
A 5 ft rise in sea level will overwhelm drainage and sewer systems along the coast, even if roads are put on peirs and houses on 20 ft. of stilts. And if there's storm surge or heavy rains? That 5 ft rise in sea level can quickly become 15 or 20 ft in floodwater on the inland waterways and canals just from rain and storm sewer run-off, not including sea surge.
I've been through heavy rains in JAX in the 1990's, early 2000's, when sea level rise was only an inch or so. You would do well to have a pontoon boat to get around town, the beach area was totally flooded out to around two feet in depth in some places just from rain run-off; and anywhere within 500 ft of the waterways was risky to drive through; wherever puddles formed and in gutters, the water would be 6 - 8 inches deep - sometimes as deep as a foot - well over curbs and into doorways at sidewalk level.
Friends in Tampa are complaining about all the agricultural use of water causing not only sinkholes, but land to sink in elevation several inches a year, causing pretty near everywhere to see a foot or more in water whenever it floods than they did back in the 90's.
So, 5 ft rise in sea level may not seem like much, but it can easily cost a city like Miami several hundreds of millions of dollars a year just in the additional flood control and clean-up. That's not counting lost tourist dollars and businesses closed to flooding.
BTW, I've mostly seen sea rise predictions in meters; as in 3 meters (>9 ft) rise in the northern hemisphere between 2000 and 2080.
Trump's favorite Mar-a-Lago will be unplayable as a golf course within 20 years. Of course, at 70 right now, he'll probably never see it happen.
Haele
applegrove
(118,865 posts)it anymore. People think they are investing 350,000 when in fact it will be underwater and valueless in a generation.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I hope I'm still healthy.
Kingofalldems
(38,498 posts)
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Not to mention Chincoteague, VA
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Throws out something as "fact" that causes your bullshit detector to go off? Mine just started ringing.
The problem for most people is that once it goes off, they stop listening or reading to whatever else is said. I know you thought you'd get attention with this "fact", but you poisoned the well of your own argument.
TaterBake
(56 posts)Florida is like 6 to 10 feet above sea level for miles.
I heard Antarctica alone if melted like they think it will will account for 20 feet of rise accounting for gravity.
Not pretty for Florida.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/03/30/antarctic-loss-could-double-expected-sea-level-rise-by-2100-scientists-say/?utm_term=.4fde454b1269
hatrack
(59,595 posts)EDIT
Ice sheets contain enormous quantities of frozen water. If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet). If the Antarctic Ice Sheet melted, sea level would rise by about 60 meters (200 feet).
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets also influence weather and climate. Large high-altitude plateaus on the ice caps alter storm tracks and create cold downslope winds close to the ice surface.
EDIT
The mass of ice in the Greenland Ice Sheet has begun to decline. From 1979 to 2006, summer melt on the ice sheet increased by 30 percent, reaching a new record in 2007. At higher elevations, an increase in winter snow accumulation has partially offset the melt. However, the decline continues to outpace accumulation because warmer temperatures have led to increased melt and faster glacier movement at the island's edges. To learn more about research on the Greenland Ice Sheet, visit former CIRES Director Konrad Steffen's research Web page.
Most of Antarctica has yet to see dramatic warming. However, the Antarctic Peninsula, which juts out into warmer waters north of Antarctica, has warmed 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees Fahrenheit) since 1950. A large area of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is also losing mass, probably because of warmer water deep in the ocean near the Antarctic coast. In East Antarctica, no clear trend has emerged, although some stations appear to be cooling slightly. Overall, scientists believe that Antarctica is starting to lose ice, but so far the process has not become as quick or as widespread as in Greenland.
EDIT
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/icesheets.html
byronius
(7,403 posts)You are a serious resource.
hatrack
(59,595 posts)
Johnathan146
(141 posts)In 80 years it will be on the ocean and worth a lot of money.
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)MadamPresident
(70 posts)And that's why no one cares.
It's stupid, selfish and short sighted but that's humanity for you.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)but the damage we are doing will likely manefest in the form of severe disruption to the current agricultural cycle. Species are vanishing at an alarming rate, particularly in the oceans. We will probably suffer from global food shortages, long before Florida is inundated.
lancelyons
(988 posts)Yeah but like other things, Republicans will blame it on the Democrats and people in the red states will believe this.
They will claim they where for global warming climate science and democrats where against it... and people in the red states will believe this.
Republicans lie to their constituents all day and they all love it and believe its true and keep voting for them.
its incredibly amazing.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)
karadax
(284 posts)Snipped from Museum of Natural History:
If all the ice covering Antarctica, Greenland, and in mountain glaciers around the world were to melt, sea level would rise about 70 meters (230 feet). The ocean would cover all the coastal cities. And land area would shrink significantly. But many cities, such as Denver, would survive.
However, all the ice is not going to melt. The Antarctic ice cap, where most of the ice exists, has survived .
The concern is that portions of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice caps may disappear. We do not know how much or how quickly this could happen, because we do not know exactly how it will happen.
That's because the ice doesn't just melt. Ice actually flows down valleys like rivers of water
. The problem is that we do not completely understand the factors that control how rapidly the ice flows and thus enters the ocean.
One way to approach the problem of not understanding the process is to study how sea level changed in the past. Earth
is nearly as warm now as it was during the last interglacial period, about 125,000 years ago. At that time, sea level was 4 to 6 meters (13-20 feet) higher. It seems that this higher sea level was due to the melting Greenland and West Antarctic ice caps.
Perhaps a similar sea level rise is our future. We don't know. We also don't know how rapidly sea level could rise. Will a 4-meter (13-foot) increase take 200, 500, or even 1,000 years? This is a question that a number of scientists are now trying to answer by studying how ice moves.
