Ivanka Trump as First Lady in and of itself does not bother me.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

First Lady is not a constitutional role and we've had non-wife First Ladies before, typically when the President's wife has either died or was too ill to handle the traditional duties. Or in the instance of presidents like James Buchanan, if the President is not married. I'm not sure if we ever had a Presidential wife flat out reject the role like Melania apparently, though, but that's really neither here nor there.

It's a ceremonial role so really that's not too much of a big deal, except....

We have come to associate the First Lady role as being that of the President's wife and the last President to have a non-wife as First Lady was Wilson where his daughter briefly filled the role in between the time Wilson's first wife died and he married his second wife.

And then you consider Donald's very curious comments on his daughter's looks and certain desires "if she were not my daughter", as well as the numerous very curious pictures of the two, and, well, it just becomes sort of....icky.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

1. Jared Kushner is, to use the word's of Trump's online supporters: "a total cuck"

[Ilsa]

3. That's a new one for me.

Is she wearing lingerie? At least she's not grinding on his lap.

[whathehell]

4. That never happened

The picture of her sitting on his lap -- she looked.about 14, was simply that... I'm afraid a few unhealthy minds here got carried away .

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

8. For her maybe?

Trump tho?

Do you think that men aren't attracted to 14 yr old girls?

[whathehell]

10. I think the poster was referencing a photo posted here before, so

yes, we are talking about "her" -- Ivanka and her father. Not Donald himself.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

12. I think Donald likes really young girls. He has a pickup line for children/teens

and I think that Donald is such a pathological narcissistic that it'd be uncharacteristic of him to not be sexually attracted to a being containing 50% of his genes and also a female.

[whathehell]

15. Well, you do seem to be enjoyig your child abuse fantasy

Point is, it's all JUST that, because you have nothing but a semi-suggestive photo, and, your unhealthy fascination with the topic.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

17. Don't know why you care so much but

I genuinely believe Donald Trump practices incest or at least has those thoughts. Being frank isn't an unhealthy fascination. I'm not fascinated at all. I'm entertained to some degree. That our next president will be an incestuous racist billionaire. But that's the end of it. You're the one who pursued the topic after a single off-color jab.

[whathehell]

19. Don't know why I "care" so much?...Oh, I don't know, maybe I'm

thinking of how SICK it is, not to mention inappropriate and offensive given that there are REAL Life child abuse survivors who post on this very site?

How old are you, 15? You sound very immature.

[whathehell]

20. You're "entertained" by the prospect of "an incestuous, racist billionaire

being our next president'?

Actually, I think you're more likely an adolescent poser saying what you imagine will make him look "cool". What's clear is that you're too clueless to realize how out of step you are with this community,. Progressives aren't "entertained" by the thought of the ugliness you describe, and would know there's nothing "cool" in pretending to be...

So get along, little boy, and welcome to my ignore list.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

22. And you lost via ad hominen

And close yourself further off into an echo chamber without views that conflict your own. Sigh. I'm sorry you're so angry, but next time don't enter a thread talking about Ivanka and Donald's creepy relationship and expect something else than just that.

Btw "entertainment" =/= amusement, or even enjoyment. Tragedy, comedy, and satyr my good man. This falls into the realm of satyr.

[whathehell]

24. Ask the DUers here who were abused as children if they are "angry"

You are way out of your league.

[whathehell]

6. Let's not do the "pretend shocked, but really titillated" thing again, shall we?

Yes her dress is short in this photo, but she's only about 11 years old....get over it.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

7. That's not what's wrong with the image

It's the composition of it. It looks like they're in a hotel room and he's carried her onto the bed, picked up the phone to order room service before fucking. It's a very common scene in a LOT of movies, TV shows, and ads.

[whathehell]

9. I think what's "wrong" in the image is largely in the eye

and mind of the beholder and I don't know who "composed" the picture -- if anyone -- but the sight of a child that age should be enough to alter your sexualized stereotype.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

11. It's inherently sexual

Like I said. It's a common trope. Having a dog, toddler, or lamp, positioned in the same poses and on the same set would make it look like Donald Trump was about to fuck said dog, toddler, or lamp. Someone in the fashion industry, or a professional photographer can explain it to you better.

Not seeing it's sexual nature just means you're pretty pure so congrats on that I guess.

[whathehell]

14. To you, obviously..

but apart from two genders and a bed, there's nothing "inherently" sexual about it. Were the female a woman, even a teenager, instead of a child giving a child's embrace, I might say otherwise, but tthe fact that you have no problem sexualizing a child may, I'm afraid, say more about you than the picture. I hope you don't have any daughters.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

16. The fact that it's commonly shared means most people see it the same way as I do

And finding the composition disturbing, isn't "no problem". I have a problem with a picture like this, that's exactly my point. The picture is what's sexualizing a child. Not the viewer.

Justice Potter Stewart famously said this about pornography

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it

the "I know it when I see it" portent can be construed that if many people see something as inherently sexual, then it is by law, just that: sexual.

Also, pretending children aren't sexualized in virtually every form of media imaginable (and that a picture like this doesn't feed into the sexualization I'm referring to) is doing nobody any good, friend. You don't need to sexualize children to see when children are being sexualized.

[whathehell]

18. No..It could just as easily mean there's a lot of pedophiles on the internet,

sometimg law enforcement seems to agree with, but keep telling yourself otherwise, if it makes you feel better.

As for Judge Potter Stewart's famous saying, I agree. with him. The problem with applying it to this photo, is It's that the judge was understood to be talking about "average" adults, not .pedophiles.
..

[tonedevil]

21. Yeah you must...

be right.

[whathehell]

23. Um, I think I said "could", actually..

[tonedevil]

25. You have all the...

bases covered.

[whathehell]

28. Okay

Feel.free.to elaborate further, if you'd like ..

[BeyondGeography]

2. If it were a film, it would be Icktar

[underpants]

5. Can she fly on his plane? (Marketing)

[etherealtruth]

13. The problem is that Melania tRump will require all the protections afforded a first spouse ....

... but at a totally different permanent residence in a totally different city and state, at great cost to the American taxpayers.

Apparently, Ivanka and her family will require the same protections as a first spouse ... again at great cost to the American tax payers

[bigtree]

26. this is naked nepotism

...and the office is afforded to SPOUSES, not grown children.

It's not a necessary office and is mostly a courtesy to the spouse. Allowing his daughter to use taxpayer money to run PR for him is a gross betrayal of trust and intent of the office.

It's also a double expense, as his actual wife is still receiving the benefits associated with the First Lady office.

[uponit7771]

27. +1, Benedict Donald doesn't trust anyone else... good, fuck him.

[Dan]

29. I really do not like President-elect Comrade dTrump,

but I do believe that he should have the person he sleeps with as his First Lady.