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Full page ad in Tampa Bay Times today!! (Original Post) HAB911 Dec 2016 OP
Shout it from the rooftops! NBachers Dec 2016 #1
This letter was published in the HAB911 Dec 2016 #2
YAY! Cha Dec 2016 #6
If they didn't vote for The Orange would they just abstain, vote for Hillary, vote for Pence??? patricia92243 Dec 2016 #3
There are multiple threads in GD HAB911 Dec 2016 #4
Plus forgotmylogin Dec 2016 #15
Not really dumbcat Dec 2016 #17
Don't they record the votes? forgotmylogin Dec 2016 #20
Only by State dumbcat Dec 2016 #23
But we would still have the record of how the quakerboy Dec 2016 #43
I thought you meant how the House members dumbcat Dec 2016 #44
realistically,(IMO) best I expect is they don't vote for anyone. Congress puts in Pence & speaker Sunlei Dec 2016 #19
Congress can't put in Pence or Ryan SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #42
Here it is, HAB.. thank you! Excellent! Cha Dec 2016 #5
Donald has no notion of how to operate in the PUBLIC sector.... Beartracks Dec 2016 #45
Make America HATE again is what they were after behind their Cha Dec 2016 #48
Trumps campaign is threatening political reprisal HAB911 Dec 2016 #7
Whoa, I hope they show their face and come forward LittleGirl Dec 2016 #9
let's have some recordings....emails....whatever.... dhill926 Dec 2016 #28
Perhaps that may motivate them triron Dec 2016 #37
Isn't it funny that they're still campaigning? Beartracks Dec 2016 #46
K&R mcar Dec 2016 #8
OMG...that is beautiful. Tears are streaming... Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #10
Home of the "brave"? world wide wally Dec 2016 #11
Wonderful Richard D Dec 2016 #12
This s/b at the top of the Greatest Page. K&R lamp_shade Dec 2016 #13
Confirmed it is in the Philly Inquirer BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #14
as much as i like the idea rdking647 Dec 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Dec 2016 #18
Let's hope sanity prevails BSdetect Dec 2016 #21
Wow. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #22
Voting for compromise candidate? compsports Dec 2016 #24
Electors can't say "we didn't know" ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #25
Florida electors case goes to appellate court HAB911 Dec 2016 #26
God-damn it! denbot Dec 2016 #27
I applaud the action,but old guy Dec 2016 #29
The New Republic's Brian Beutler makes an interesting point HAB911 Dec 2016 #34
history needs to show there was DISSENT against this orange clown Skittles Dec 2016 #38
Petition within --Signed, Commented, Shared. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #30
Well done! flamingdem Dec 2016 #31
Maybe it's better to keep quiet about this fiorello Dec 2016 #32
Dig That Crazy Santa Claus 🎅 Celebrate! Wernothelpless Dec 2016 #33
Would you post this in "Breaking News" and Postmortem Discussion"? triron Dec 2016 #35
Feel free to do so HAB911 Dec 2016 #36
oh don't let those forum freaks get to you, HAB911 Skittles Dec 2016 #39
Thank you HAB911 sheshe2 Dec 2016 #40
Beautiful!! ailsagirl Dec 2016 #41
K & R Scurrilous Dec 2016 #47
I think there is a better chance Godot will show up at the end of the play DFW Dec 2016 #49
exactly-- all we can do is try Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #50
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE DEMOCRATS?! HAB911 Dec 2016 #51

HAB911

(8,891 posts)
2. This letter was published in the
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:48 AM
Dec 2016

Washington Post, Philadelphia Inquirer, Austin American-Statesman, Salt Lake City Tribune and Tampa Bay Times on December 14, 2016.

It will be published in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the Wisconsin State Journal on December 15, 2016.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
3. If they didn't vote for The Orange would they just abstain, vote for Hillary, vote for Pence???
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:54 AM
Dec 2016

What realistically would happen?

HAB911

(8,891 posts)
4. There are multiple threads in GD
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:58 AM
Dec 2016

discussing any alternate outcome

IMO, it would end up in the House and even if they chose Trump a real point would have been made

forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
15. Plus
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:30 AM
Dec 2016

If the House chose Trump and things go kerblooey, we have a record of who voted for him and who did not.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
23. Only by State
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:05 AM
Dec 2016
If no person receives an absolute majority of electoral votes for president, the Twelfth Amendment provides that the House of Representatives will select the president, with each of the fifty state delegations casting one vote. If no person receives a majority of electoral votes for vice president, then the Senate will select the vice president, with each of the 100 senators having one vote.


The Constitution says each State delegation gets one vote. How each state decides to do that is not specified in the Constitution and is left up to the State delegation. So it seems it depends on the laws in each state.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
44. I thought you meant how the House members
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:45 PM
Dec 2016

Voted. I think the Electors votes are public and archived.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. realistically,(IMO) best I expect is they don't vote for anyone. Congress puts in Pence & speaker
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:52 AM
Dec 2016

Republicans would prefer t(R)ump stays there. Americans will have the unfit-bagger to complain about, they can always 'arrest any person who crosses the legal lines'. Republicans can move on with bleeding anything 'profitable' out of America.

Beartracks

(12,810 posts)
45. Donald has no notion of how to operate in the PUBLIC sector....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:51 PM
Dec 2016

... where you can't just do whatever the hell you want to do.

If he and his boot-licking supporters try to change THAT in order to "make America great again," then what's left won't actually be America anymore.

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Cha

(297,205 posts)
48. Make America HATE again is what they were after behind their
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 12:14 AM
Dec 2016

Orwellian BullShit.. mission accomplished.

HAB911

(8,891 posts)
7. Trumps campaign is threatening political reprisal
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:20 AM
Dec 2016

Salon reports that a member of the Electoral College told them that Donald Trump’s campaign is threatening “political reprisal” against any Republican elector not voting for him next week.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, the elector said “We have gotten reports from multiple people that the Donald Trump campaign is putting pressure on Republican electors to vote for him based on … future political outcomes based on whether they vote fro Donald Trump or not.”

Salon adds that:

The elector emphasized that these reports had come straight from the Republican electors themselves, with the threats steering clear of violence but instead focusing on “career pressure.”

“It’s all political, basically,” the elector said. “If Trump becomes the president, he’s going to be able to put pressure on the state parties and they won’t be involved anymore.”

dhill926

(16,337 posts)
28. let's have some recordings....emails....whatever....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:03 PM
Dec 2016

hard evidence of this. See if the media will pick it up then...

triron

(22,002 posts)
37. Perhaps that may motivate them
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:18 PM
Dec 2016

to vote for Clinton. If she gains the POTUS then that concern becomes moot.
Trump (and Pence) are toast.

Silver Gaia

(4,544 posts)
10. OMG...that is beautiful. Tears are streaming...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:39 AM
Dec 2016

I did not expect this! Read the list of signatories, too. These people are putting themselves out there for us. I saw my alma mater represented twice in that list. I am so proud of them, all of them

Response to HAB911 (Original post)

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
21. Let's hope sanity prevails
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:57 AM
Dec 2016

Pence is a horrible option but perhaps less damaging though I think he would need to radically alter his cabinet choices.

Really change those picks.

compsports

(91 posts)
24. Voting for compromise candidate?
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:08 AM
Dec 2016

Can't the EC voters chose a compromise candidate like Mitt Romney that would be acceptable to the House? If that is the case, I would fine with that as much as I wanted Hillary to win. But at this point, I feel it is important to choose someone who won't threaten the safety of the country.

Good to see this ad.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
29. I applaud the action,but
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:12 PM
Dec 2016

believe it is an exercise in futility. I don't think there are enough people in the House or Senate that see this as a crises even if the electors would give them the opportunity to change this. Partisan politics would prevail and tRump would still be elected. IMO.

HAB911

(8,891 posts)
34. The New Republic's Brian Beutler makes an interesting point
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:57 PM
Dec 2016

-- regardless of whether there is any real chance of blocking Trump, the electors should vote exactly how they want in order to join the army of small protest acts that collectively help to undermine the legitimacy of the incoming president. Writes Beutler:

Not only is there some precedent for this kind of protest voting, but it, and similar statements of no-confidence from within official channels, will be an important source of resistance to a presidency that poses an enormous threat to small-l liberalism. There are certainly norms that shouldn’t be ignored for the purposes of weakening Trump, but this isn’t one of them.

Trump opponents will ultimately need a clear resistance strategy, but in a leaderless environment, they have been floundering in the dark for more than a month now, grasping for short-term anti-Trump resistance tactics.

None of them has been particularly effective, but we have learned through these efforts that Trump is highly sensitive about the fact that he lost the popular vote by a margin of millions, and his Electoral College margin is historically low. He and his supporters want to claim a mandate, and feel threatened by the awareness that he will preside over a term of minority rule.

Thinning that electoral majority even further, through GOP protest votes, would be a small but useful public testament to both his unfitness for office and the lack of public confidence in his ascent to power. For the time being, this is what official resistance to Trump will look like: numerous battlefronts, some invisible, each inconsequential, but that have a real impact when taken together.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
30. Petition within --Signed, Commented, Shared.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:02 PM
Dec 2016



I love the list of signatories. Impressive and encouraging! :thumbs up:

fiorello

(182 posts)
32. Maybe it's better to keep quiet about this
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:22 PM
Dec 2016

... in terms of actually keeping Trump out of the white house.

In order to avoid a President Trump, there needs to be 39 REPUBLICAN electors, sworn to elect Trump, who vote against him. ( then it will go to the house of representatives, who will pick a Republican for president, but a more sane Republican. In relative terms, of course.)

They will not be persuaded by the likes of us. The more it becomes a partisan issue, Democrat versus Republican, the more they will stick like flies on rotten meat to the official Republican nominee.

The official Democrats are keeping very very quiet about this. They have been blasted for their passivity, but in this case maybe they are actually being smart!

Lord, I hope someone can keep this madman away from the nuclear codes or (worse) the army drones. A vindictive nut case with no self-control running the FBI? A crook with a history of cheating all his business associates and all his customers with his hands on the US Treasury? Save us!

HAB911

(8,891 posts)
36. Feel free to do so
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:07 PM
Dec 2016

Honestly, I'm new here and I've been slapped around a little over interpretation of what's allowed in some groups and boards, a little gun shy I am. LOL

DFW

(54,377 posts)
49. I think there is a better chance Godot will show up at the end of the play
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 06:30 AM
Dec 2016

But I applaud the gesture. It should be known far and wide that we as a people did not take this lying down.

History will think better of us the more we resist. The worse the impending Trump Administration turns out to be, the better we will look for having opposed it--peacefully and loudly.

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