Check in if you feel the same way I do: I will never respect the Shitgibbon ever, ever, ever!

...and am calling him DFT - Donald Fucking Trump

while they deserved the respect of the office, this one disgraces it.

Truly disgraces it-- to the extent even Nixon couldn't.

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I rarely use his name.

I prefer to call him the orange twit.



No respect, not ever. I respect the office, which is more than any of us can say about him.

into office.

I asked in that thread who you think should have the vote.

Those of us with college degrees? Landowners?

Who?

And who should NOT have the vote? Curious.

And I will leave it at that.

Interesting.

Mobocracy has just destroyed our country.

Maybe they were right. You can come down off your high horse now.

Is that correct?

Tell us who should be allowed to vote.

Hmm?

Is that hard to understand? REad some history please. I don't feel like giving you a lesson.

Common men voting gave us presidents/elections that:

1: Performed the Trail of Tears
2: Did nothing to prevent the Sectionalist crises
3: Gave cover to native American massacres such as Camp Grant and Wounded Knee
4: Trumped up a war with Mexico to steal their land
5: Brought us the idea of "a president I can have a beer with"
6: enabled people like Louie Gohmert, George Fitzhugh, John C. Calhoun and Joe McCarthy to get elected.
7: Led to two wars in the 2000s that we will never get over
8: Led to involvement in Viet nam from 1954-1975
9: Were scandal ridden from the beginning (Hayes, Harding, Nixon)
10: Led to massive depressions (1837, 1929)

But you keep thinking the "common man" is good.

And with that, you can stay on your high horse. I will ignore you from here on out because your grasp of history is poor and your attitude is even poorer.

Who, in your opinion, should be allowed to vote?

You don't want to answer that, do you?

Fascinating.

If I remember from your previous history here. You claim to have a doctorate degree, but you taught high school. You bragged here about having a fight with a teenager on facebook (that was a hoot, btw).

You say you live in another country, not in the US, sooo - who is on the high horse?

Again, I ask...in your perfect world, WHO is allowed to vote?

Tsk tsk.

One should have the courage to stand up for one's convictions.

I could go on and on and on, so go ahead and block me too.

Odd that he won't answer who he thinks is good enough to vote.

where only a certain section of "enlightened" people can vote/rule the country.

How can you call yourself "Feel the Bern" and actually make that argument?

After what happened in this election, I completely support Alexander Hamilton.

he's not running for anything, and I think taking away the right of the people to vote for what they believe their best interest in is actually more scary than what is happening now. (Which is pretty fucking scary.)

I hold the very unpopular belief that we never had rights. We have a growing smaller list of civil privileges and we are happily giving those up piece by piece.

Sadly, I'm resigned to the fact that the great experiment failed. It started failing in 1826 when the "common man" started voting and this election was the dagger that killed it.

as to what you think should happen?

I know you keep saying "Alexander Hamilton!!!!" Do you mean that only property owners/rich people should be able to vote? Because that's the argument he's stating below:


Hamilton:


"If it were probable that every man would give his vote freely, and without influence of any kind, then, upon the true theory and genuine principles of liberty, every member of the community, however poor, should have a vote… But since that can hardly be expected, in persons of indigent fortunes, or such as are under the immediate dominion of others, all popular states have been obliged to establish certain qualifications, whereby, some who are suspected to have no will of their own, are excluded from voting; in order to set other individuals, whose wills may be supposed independent, more thoroughly upon a level with each other."

knuckle draggers and mouth breathers than people with at least 1/2 of functioning brains.

Since the 10th amendment states rights to the states and nothing in Articles 1, 2, or 3 dictates. . .I guess it's up to the states to decide that.

Again, after this election, what you posted really doesn't make change my mind.

But I am glad this entire post has been hijacked by an online stalker that has pretty much followed me ever since I made my statement about voting.

as we've been having a back and forth conversation. If it's someone else, then I can't help you with that.

But I do vehemently disagree with you re: qualifications to vote. And leaving that up to individual states actually becomes more dangerous as the discrepancies among all the states might create a real issue of inequality throughout the USA.

And I have no idea what you believe would be a proper qualification. I think being a US citizen of voting age is the proper qualification, and I would be really upset/uncomfortable if it were anything else.



ETA: Thinking we know better so we should appoint power position is a very dangerous precedent. Because what happens when the power is in other hands?

Then we got that murdering, racist, genocidal madman that tanked the economy because he thought his dick was bigger than Henry Clay's and vetoed everything Clay supported: The Maysville Road and the destruction of the BUSA which led to the Panic of 1837 that Martin "Van Ruin" was blamed for.

All because the Common man couldn't see themselves having a beer with John Quincy Adams, who was probably one of the most able bodied Presidents this country could have had if it weren't for Jackson and his "common idiots."

Remember, this election is 1838 redux. Except no one's spouse died of a heart attack and we haven't had an Eaton Affair yet.

expressing an opinion without being willing or able to answer questions is that people whose questions are not being answered are justified, I think, in coming up with their own answers to their questions.

I personally think that the real answer probably lies in another direction than just being a white male landowner

So...



Since the terms "knuckle draggers" and "mouth breathers" are commonly used by Democrats against most, if not all, Republicans, maybe that's something that could disqualify someone from voting.

Also, someone still running around with a screen name like "Feel the Bern" more than a month after the election is over is clearly advertising his/her own political preference. And since it's a fact that a whole bunch of Bernie AND Hillary supporters thought supporters on the other side were idiots, then that's probably another clue.

In the end, it's not difficult to imagine that anyone wanting to prevent "the common man" from voting actually means preventing votes from people who don't think the same way they do.



And just wondering if your state denied you the right to vote because it decided YOU were one of those "common men" would you be OK with that?

Is that what you mean? Less than half of the states allowed universal white male suffrage; the rest had taxpaying and property restrictions. No women could vote at all. Is that what you mean? Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

I was thinking they should not just rubber stamp but campaign, tell us who they are and promise the voters they will vote for whoever the voters say they want at the polls, and such. The Founders meant for the voters to pick the electors, who seemingly would be people of repute and leadership in each state. So I think they should quit being anonymous. We are voting for the people we trust to choose the President. We should know who that is.

This whole election is just so screwed. And so are we.

It's all so very trendy and elite sounding to say you support Alexander Hamilton and the Federalists.

I mean, I loved the play. I listen to the music all the time.

But he was prolific yet flawed. And a salesman.

Our founding fathers are inspirational, but they also were flawed.

The establishment of the electoral college is supposed to protect from mob mentality. It appears as though the mob voted for HRC. (Popular vote.) The establishment of the electoral college prevented that result.

So tell us again how you support alexander hamilton and the federalists and the attempts to prevent mobocracy? How does that work?

he/she believes.

I'm finding the OP to be rather amusing at this point.

'The common man should not have a vote."

Never thought I'd see that opinion in DU.

It's freaking scary.

I'm amused that he blocked me simply because I asked him who he thinks should be allowed to vote.

He stated that opinion, but is not willing to stand behind it apparently.

That speaks volumes.

I sure as hell hope he's not serious.

Sheesh.

My Mole O'Meter bent the needle on the OP.

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btw -- it's a sure bet that my comment has been alerted and a 50/50 bet it will be hidden. Will be interesting to watch...

Not whether every citizen is allowed to vote. But respect allowed for the commander in chief.
I will never say his actual name.
Maggot is the lowest thing I could think of
I will never watch him or listen to anything but protests against him.
He and his supporters are traitors.
They all need to drop dead.

1 - here is nothing we can do about him.
2 - all us America hating liberals screaming about him does is make the idiots who support him dig their heels in more.
3 - while he IS going to do some crazy ass shit, the bigger threat is Congress.
4 - This is where we should focus our energy.

I suppose it's a little bit immature but I'm not the picture of maturity anyway. So he shall remain Trashpot for me.

my President, I have no respect for him and never will.

There never has been anything about the shitgibbon which can or should be respected. This is the oddest moment in the history of this society. There have been sick, and hateful times here, cruel, barbaric, but this is all of the before, and worse.

What destruction he is capable of unloading upon our world is beyond imagination. Our pathetic laws will allow him to do that, apparently, because he has the full support of the US fascists in Washington and their sponsors.

And the lack of respect extends to ANYONE (including members of my own family) who voted for him.

A lot of people are going to regret their votes. Eventually, people come to regret behaving in a self-destructive manner.

Have a nice day.

BTW, I don't believe in fairy tales or higher powers.

I needed that reminder lol.

I've seen it over and over on FB.

If you like what the OP is serving, by all means, eat it up.

And lost the popular vote by 3 million or so to boot.

He needs to be tried and convicted of treason and dragged out of the White House in chains.

He will never be a legit POTUS!

respect for the office was ended by the RW this election. Rest assured the office or the officeholder are viewed with nothing but derision and contempt.

I wasn't going to respond but then this came across my facebook feed;

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