Nonviolent Noncooperation: Stop Trump NOW ... BEFORE He's Inaugurated

[workersuntie]

If Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi were among us today, do you really think they'd say, "The people spoke when they elected Donald Trump. We must respect that decision and move on"?

Of course they wouldn't. Furthermore, I think we should respect King's and Gandhi's legacies by putting ourselves on the line NOW -- while there's still time -- to stop Trump BEFORE he's inaugurated.

As a matter of fact, I believe so sincerely that We the People must rise against Trump NOW that I've plowed major amounts of time and more money than I could afford into promoting that idea. Might I ask you to have a look and give it some thought? It's posted here: orangeflu.com

Thanks for your consideration.

[cilla4progress]

1. Definitely

I've been saying this here.


Will go look now.

[workersuntie]

4. Thanks!

I hope after you've had a chance to read it and mull it over you'll let us know what you think.

[LongTomH]

2. If 'orangeflu' refers to a general strike, I'm all for it!!!!

It may only make make make the few remaining actual journalists in this country stand up and take notice; but, it's worth trying.

[workersuntie]

7. Goodness, LTH ...

... General strike are illegal. We certainly wouldn't want to do anything illegal.

Life-threatening illness, though ... that's obviously another matter altogether. And all kidding aside: Please tell me what, in 2016, is more genuinely life-threatening than a full-blown Donald Trump presidency.

Illness this catastrophically serious demands a serious cure -- and an appropriate regimen to get us there.

[jimlup]

3. I agree with you

and will look carefully at your proposed actions. Currently I'm interested in supporting the 1 million woman march on January 21st but feel it isn't enough.

Will general strikes possibly do anything constructive? Perhaps if enough put their energy into it. Donald Trump as our "leader" is unacceptable.

[workersuntie]

8. Thank You for Agreeing To Check It Out

And please let us know what you think when you're able.

The million-woman march seems like a wonderful and inspired idea and I can't imagine not supporting it wholeheartedly. But I definitely have this concern: Might that be too late? Once Trump's inaugurated, he can immediately go to work seeding the federal government, broadly and deeply, with his minions. Is that something it'll be possible to turn back? Maybe not.

[jimlup]

12. In Oakland CA they are organizing for January 20th...

I agree that sooner would be better. We need to stop Trump not oppose him.

Here is the facebook link to the group proposing a General Strike on January 20th:

https://www.facebook.com/events/675206962654366/

[bdamomma]

5. they don't

say "power in numbers" for nothing. This man should not be our President. He will be our country's downfall and the rest of the world.

[workersuntie]

10. Those Were *Exactly* the Thoughts That Prompted Me ...

... to pursue this project. The Bush/Cheney regime was barely survivable (except of course for the hundreds of thousands of people worldwide who did not survive their policies). I truly believe that a Donald Trump presidency would spell the end of our republic and our planet for the reasons I spell out at orangeflu.com

And I obviously agree wholeheartedly with your comment about power in numbers -- particularly if the people behind those numbers are focused and serious about what they're doing. If anything can and should focus our minds and hearts and spirits and get us just as serious as we can possibly be, it's the catastrophic prospect of a Donald Trump presidency.

[cilla4progress]

6. Knr

Once it starts we have to be patient and persistent. Don't expect immediate results.

[bdamomma]

9. K&R

[mountain grammy]

11. Looked it over..

Will read more later, but liking what I see so far.

[SHRED]

13. But the Dali Lama had "no worries" about tRump

http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/13173876

...

[workersuntie]

21. His Holiness Is in the Serenity and Reconciliation Biz

That's what he does ... that's what he is.

That being the case, we shouldn't be too surprised that he said what he said -- particularly because so much of the rest of the world is not merely entertaining "worries" about Trump, but existential, well-founded terrors.

His Holiness was speaking to the world in a manner not entirely unlike the manner in which a hospice nurse might speak to a patient. And in that, he was just doing his job. I sincerely hope that he continues to do so.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Authoritarianism and Centralized Control doesn't always work so well

They say in the Soviet Union, 1920s, 1930s, that the most productive
portion of Soviet agriculture were the plots reserved for and grown by
each peasant. These produced about 60% of the food by some estimates,
despite Stalin's mechanization program.

So people will work harder for themselves, especially when motivated by
scarce economic times, than they will for capital assets they do not own.
Conversely, they have a vested interest in their jobs, they are paid for their
work, but slowdowns are not unheard of. One of the great skills of good
management is to design systems and policies that motivate workers to
produce. They will always try to get around systems that make no economic,
time management, incentive, or common sense to them. Bad structures can
lead to pencils going home, to misfilings, to long lunch breaks. People are
rational.

Perhaps there is some help to your ideas in there.

[certainot]

15. go on offense vs their most important advantage - talk radio

boycott all rw radio advertisers, call them and thank them for filling the country with lies and racism and helping elect trump

this week all rw radio stations may be howling for mobs to disrupt the recounts.

protest all universities that broadcast sports on rw radio. the gop will freak out if a campus discussion starts on whether the unis ought to find apolitical alternatives. media will notice. advertisers will flee en masse.

most stations would have to switch to other programming and without rw radio trump has nothing.

u wis, penn state, mich and mich state would be key places to protest

15hrs/day x 5 days/wk x a cheap $1000/hr = $75,000/week free pro trump infomercial time

total 255 x $75,000 = $19,125,000/WEEK

ALABAMA 8 $600,000 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 1 $75,000 Arizona St. 1
ARKANSAS 3 $225,000 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 $375,000 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 $300,000 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 $75,000 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 $1,500,000 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 $1,050,000 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 $525,000 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 $525,000 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 $825,000 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 $375,000 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 $300,000 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 $225,000 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 $225,000 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 $150,000 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 $75,000 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 $1,425,000 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 $300,000 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 $450,000 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 $450,000 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 $75,000 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 $150,000 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 $225,000 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 $525,000 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 $1,200,000 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 $750,000 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 $375,000 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 $900,000 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 $1,050,000 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 $300,000 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 $525,000 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 $1,200,000 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 $75,000 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 $450,000 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 $450,000 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 $150,000 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 3 $225,000 Wisconsin 3

[Indydem]

16. Nice try, Mike Pence.

Trump should resign and make Pence President? I live in Indiana. Thanks but no thanks, Mike.

Your protest idea is cute, but it won't work; the half that voted for Drumpf will carry on as usual, and the 10% of the half that voted for Clinton that care enough to engage in it will likely lose their jobs.

That's exactly the kind of thing Mike Pence would love to see.

[workersuntie]

18. I Hope It Won't Disappoint You ...

But I won't be joining you in name-calling or tossing around gratuitously inflammatory insults.

If, however, you've posted ideas somewhere that you think make more sense than those I'm presenting and you'd like to set forth your constructive ideas before the community, I'd encourage you to post a link or links or by other means tell us where we might find them.

[Indydem]

19. We lost.

The assertion by you, as well as others, that Trump is going to fundamentally destroy America really ignores the history of jackasses and clowns we've had as President.

It'll be ok.

Organize now to get people out in 2018. We will absolutely need to defend senate seats that we took or kept in red states in 2012 (like Indiana).

Donate to real, constructive, campaigns like HRW or Planned Parenthood.

Quit living in a fantasy world where protests, a general strike, a recount, or any other such foolishness is going to stop the wheels that were set in motion by millions upon millions of Democratic voters sitting home on 11/8.

Live in reality. It sucks, but fantasies are for children and Sanders supporters.

[workersuntie]

20. Thank you for your constructive suggestions.

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I couldn't agree more that Human Rights Watch and Planned Parenthood constitute real, constructive campaigns that are eminently worthy of our donations.

I do not, however, think that extremely well-grounded concerns about Trump's pseudo-fascism -- which could easily lead to the establishment of an American pseudo-fascist police state -- can be adequately addressed or dismissed by noting, however accurately, that we've previously had jackasses and clowns for presidents. I was active during the campaigns of 1968 and 1972 and in the campaign to impeach Nixon. Even Nixon's incredibly dark, fascist tendencies are, based on what I've seen and in my most sober judgment, dwarfed by those of Trump. And, in part by virtue of having produced and sold into print something in the neighborhood of 5,000 history columns for small-city newspapers throughout the upper Midwest, I'm somewhat aware of the historical realities of other clowns and jackasses who've taken up residence in the White House. I would not ignore those realities even if I could. In my considered judgment, Trump constitutes a monstrousness and a clear and present danger utterly unlike and almost infinitely greater than anything posed by even the worst of his predecessors.

The additional, unsupported assurance that "it'll be ok" does nothing to persuade one that it will. That's so particularly because when it comes to global warming, time's up. All incoming geophysical data in that regard tells us that it will most assuredly be nothing remotely like okay, particularly if, rather than addressing the problem as immediately and aggressively as possible, we severely exacerbate the problem -- as Trump has effectively promised to do. Nor am I at all persuaded that having a commander-in-chief who's reportedly expressed great interest in using nuclear weapons can be anything other than a death sentence for humanity and our planet as we know them. I do not find those probable outcomes to be in any way like what most of us would think of as "okay."

And, once again, I must decline to join you in name-calling or tossing around gratuitously inflammatory insults.

[handmade34]

17. "doing nothing is not an option"