America is fucked :-(

[Locut0s]

Sorry. I don't wish to add insult to injury. I've been posting my disbelief at what has happened quite a lot recently. Every day it's still a shock. I'm sorry but that's really the ultimate conclusion I'm left with at the end of the day. Even looking at the very BEST case scenario I can't see how Trump won't do a LOT more damage to the world than Bush did, which is terrifying considering how much damage occurred under that presidency. The few small silver linings I can see are that under an isolationist regime like his he will pull out of damaging trade deals like the TPP. But like I said that's the best case scenario I see. Looking at the types of people he is installing to positions of power I feel the likely outcome is the destruction of the America you have come to know. The rolling back of everything you guys have fought for in the past 50 years+. It's ultimately the president's appointees that do the majority of the work, and he is appointing nightmarish figures. I don't even feel very safe living here in Canada as I know the fallout is going to be global.

[Xipe Totec]

1. But is this a good thing, or a bad thing? nt

[Locut0s]

4. Lol. For individual people a TERRIBLE thing. For the system as a whole, long term...

Long term, over the span of decades this might be a good thing. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom, crash and burn, before you are forced to face the ugly reality of just how messed up your culture currently is. Sometimes before real healing can begin one has to have a near death experience. I mean one could almost see WWII as a "good" thing in that it ushered in one of the longest periods of global peace, development, and unification that we have ever seen in modern times. But of course that's cruel and stupid to say on an individual level as millions of people died and suffered terribly. What I wish is that there was another way.

[uppityperson]

6. Why do people think that the recovery from hitting bottom is that things are better? There are

many countries that have hit bottom and then sunk lower. Near death often then results in a long, drawn out death. Not recovery.

I am always confused by that sentiment, that hitting bottom means a positive recovery.

I'm not meaning to snark at you, my apologies for coming across so. It's just that I've heard this in so many ways, including those who said "vote trump and let the system crash and recover". Recovery is not automatic, it often doesn't happen.

[Locut0s]

8. Yes I fully agree with you...

I was simply trying to think of a way in which all of this could be a good thing. Because sometimes hitting rock bottom does indeed mean recovery. It took Germany both WWI and WWII before they realized on a DEEP fundamental level "never more, we must never let this happen again". And they have emerged as one of the progressive liberal and economic engines of the world. But like you said for many it just means more suffering. Just look at Africa where countless countries had periods of great promise only to enter what now seems like a permanent state of hell upon some form of political coup. I really f!cking hope that America learns its lesson before EITHER of these scenario's plays out.

Why future do you yourself feel is most likely for the US now that we find ourselves where we do?

[redwitch]

2. It's going to be ok.

It really is. There is more of us than them.

[Locut0s]

5. But there ALWAYS are more of "us" than "them"...

That never stopped WWII, Pol Pot, Stalin. Because the "us" are by this definition good people. Good people always refuse to believe that that can happen here.

[kentuck]

7. It is true.

There is no stronger division than "us" vs "them".

[pangaia]

3. Please, please invade us.

At least come get NY, WA, OR and CA.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of the generals will refuse to fight back...