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What the hell is this article about??? I think I have misread it..... (Original Post) a kennedy Nov 2016 OP
'The Arab grievances are many, elleng Nov 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Nov 2016 #3
'MY' distortion of history, elleng Nov 2016 #4
That article is a distortion of the history in that region, and since you were responding to the OP still_one Nov 2016 #5
That is a mistaken assumption, elleng Nov 2016 #6
I appologize. Sorry still_one Nov 2016 #7
Thanks elleng Nov 2016 #8
I should not have jumped on that like I did. Thank YOU. I will self-delete still_one Nov 2016 #10
The gulf states are pissed because he did the Iran deal pure and simple. Oil supply increased, the still_one Nov 2016 #2
Spot on..... AmericanMan1958 Nov 2016 #9
Thank you Bucky Nov 2016 #11


(132,271 posts)
1. 'The Arab grievances are many,
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 07:28 PM
Nov 2016

and Obama has nobody to blame but himself. Indeed, after setting expectations so high during his famous 2009 Cairo speech, he leaves the region in a worse situation than the one he inherited.

Despite his best efforts, he failed to deliver on the Israel-Palestine peace process. His promise to retract a US military presence from the region may have won him a Nobel Peace Prize, but it has certainly left Libya and Iraq in pieces.

However, for the Gulf states there are two issues that rise above the rest in terms of bitterness with the current administration: the infamous Obama U-turn on the red line he imposed on US intervention in Syria if its regime used chemical weapons against its people, and the controversial Iran nuclear deal.'

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(92,761 posts)
5. That article is a distortion of the history in that region, and since you were responding to the OP
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:54 PM
Nov 2016

I assumed you were agreeing with the article's tunnel vision, which conveniently ignored just how much damage we had done in that region long before President Obama came into the picture, and for the article to imply blame for failed Israeli/Palestinian situation on President Obama is a grossly distorted perspective on something that has been going on since the end of the Yom Kippur War, and was more a result of the bush policies refusing to continue the negotiations after Bill Clinton left office.

Again, those problems were there long before Obama, and while his policies in Syria can justifiably be criticized, the article's painting the blame for the entire middle east tells me this is a setup to undo the Iran deal. Fortunately, we are NOT the only party in that deal, so it may be difficult for them to realize that


(132,271 posts)
6. That is a mistaken assumption,
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:57 PM
Nov 2016

and it is a bad idea for any here to adopt such approach.

We are a DISCUSSION group, and charges such as this do NOT encourage discussion or debate.


(92,761 posts)
10. I should not have jumped on that like I did. Thank YOU. I will self-delete
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:04 PM
Nov 2016

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(92,761 posts)
2. The gulf states are pissed because he did the Iran deal pure and simple. Oil supply increased, the
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 07:59 PM
Nov 2016

price of oil went down, they got less revenue.

This has nothing to do with President Obama, it does have something to do with both bush's invasion of Iraq.

Saudi Arabia is one of the most corrupt in the region, and the reason they are so thrilled about trump's victory is because of his business dealings with them:


These gulf states would love the U.S. to get out of the Iran deal, so they could enforce the trade embargo again, even if it meant risk of war.

It has to be remember we overthrew the elected government of Iran to install the Shah. When the Shah was overthrown, the Reagan administration with their wonderful Iran/Contra scheme managed to involve itself in such a way that a long and bloody war between Iraq occurred, where millions were killed in that long war, and when a somewhat tenuous balance of power was reached, Bush I through the ambassador april gillespie gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait. It is forgotten in the dust bin of history, but we were the catalyst behind that war. More people were killed, and then in bush II's infinite wisdom we invaded and occupied Iraq based on a lie, and over a million more people were killed in Iraq.

The one's who are disappointed in President Obama is because he negotiated the Iran Peace deal, allowed more oil supply, and poor Saudi-arabia had to lower their oil prices.

but have no fear, the forces behind the invasion of Iran, are very happy to help trump in reckless behavior with hope of increasing the price of oil

Our interference in Iraq and Iran has killed enough people


(54,262 posts)
11. Thank you
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:17 PM
Nov 2016

Shallow media sources want us to imagine the world as a bull fight, the toreador vs the beast. But its really a game of chess with five major players and 8 minor ones for any given theater.

Right now were losing, but the reality is that America probably still has the shortest recovery time for any given screw up. There is still hope for world peace... it's just gonna require a bit more effort than it would've preTrump

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