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Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:19 PM

 

What can we do to get rid of Daylight Saving Time?

It came up last night at dinner with friends. Everyone had a different idea of how it came about.
"It's to help farmers who get up with the sun"
"It's to prevent children from getting run over on the way to school."
"It was proposed by Benjamin Franklin, to conserve whale oil."
"It's the capitalists."

Nevertheless, we were all pretty much against it, although one considered it a "thing to do."

I can't determine any benefits from it, and find it an inconvenience at best. I say chuck it! Are you all with me? Fuck whale oil!

--imm

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The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #1
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Skittles Nov 2016 #82
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Freddie Nov 2016 #17
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Siwsan Nov 2016 #18
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Orrex Nov 2016 #40
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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:21 PM

1. I like it.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:24 PM

6. me too. it conserves the light for when I can use it

if you live in the south of the US, it probably doesn't do much. but up here on the Canadian border, it means the sun doesn't come up at 5 in the morning, and it goes down at 9:30.

works for me.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:35 PM

15. Yes, here in Minnesota it makes a big difference.

I like summer days where the sun doesn't start to set until after 9:00.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:55 PM

30. Me too - I like how late the sun is up in the summer.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:36 PM

52. I agree...

I love late sunsets in summer.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:38 PM

53. Me too!

I always look forward to 'spring ahead!'

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 07:01 PM

82. I do too

I wish it was like this all year

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:21 PM

2. I hate DST

throws my body off big time and I just don't understand the need/reason for it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 07:31 PM

84. It's bad for a few days.

It's good for a couple hundred.

We pay more attention to negative things.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:22 PM

3. What can we do to get rid of STANDARD time? IT SUCKS

It especially SUCKED in Boston when I'd go to work in the dark and come home in the dark. With DST year round, I'd have seen the sun on the way home, at least.

Standard time is arbitrary, set by a bunch of colonialist mariners to aid navigation so they could find more brown people to pillage. It makes no sense. It eats warthog balls. It's DEPRESSING.

DST year round! It's the only way!

Screw the DST haters, they don't know what they're talking about.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:28 PM

9. Why do I love you? Maybe because you are awesome?

Yes!

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:28 PM

10. My issue is with RESETTING clocks twice a year.

 

I'm fine with whatever standard or substandard time setting you will stick to.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:33 PM

13. Yeah, it stinks, throws too many people off

and was especially hard in the fall, when my 12 hour night shift was 13 hours long.

Still, DST year around makes the most sense. It doesn't throw farmers off, the stock wakes them up every morning at the same time, anyway, no matter what the clock says. If suburbanites yowl that their kiddies have to go to school in the dark, then have the schools start an hour later year round. BFD.

"Standard" time is totally arbitrary and there is no earthly reason to "return" to it for a depressing 4 1/2 months out of the year.

Kill it dead.

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Response to immoderate (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:56 PM

32. Buy an atomic clock they reset themselves..

DST is great in Wisconsin. Evening at 9 is beautiful. You should try it.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:04 PM

36. Understand that DST does not increase the number of daylight hours!

 

Even in Wisconsin.

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Response to immoderate (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:30 PM

49. Did I say that?

Evening is at 9 is Wisconsin in the summer. It's enjoyable. Who said anything about number of hours of daylight? What's with "even in Wisconsin", Snidely Whiplash?

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Response to immoderate (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:42 PM

66. The tides go in, the tides go out.

You can't explain that.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:33 PM

14. I completely agree. I find it depressing in the fall/winter

There are no kids going to school at 6am, so that safety argument is nil. Even with DST switching back, it's dark when I start driving to work. But it just sucks when it's pitch black and work isn't even over.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:38 PM

17. Agreed but

I seem to recall back in the 70s when I was in HS that Nixon or Ford had 1 year of all-year DST to save energy. The result was kids waiting for the school bus in the pitch black at 8 AM here in the eastern states. (No scientist could have predicted that?) That's why all-year DST won't happen.
Personally I love DST with the long summer evenings. Who needs the blazing sun at 5:00 am other than cows?

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Response to Freddie (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:44 PM

22. Cows aren't impressed, either, and will call for milking

when they need it, no matter what a clock says. Farmers aren't the point.

Schools can start an hour later. Teenagers especially would love that.

There is no reason for "standard" time. We are no longer navigating by sextant. It's time to go to something that works.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 06:11 PM

78. I work early. I like not driving in the pitch dark.

I also go to bed early. I don't need it light out at 9:30

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #78)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 06:20 PM

80. This time of year, it would be twilight at 6:30 PM

Unless you're a commercial baker, you don't go to sleep that early and you'd drive to work in the dark, anyway.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #80)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 06:40 PM

81. Really? I don't remember a passenger in my car this morning

When I drove to work in the light.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:22 PM

4. I like it. I wish we had it year round

I hate it getting dark early in the winter.

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Response to Ex Lurker (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:41 PM

21. Works for me. Whatever people will stick to.

 

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:23 PM

5. Either stay on DST year round or regular time... one or the other...

I am SOOOOO sensitive that I wake up at 3 AM and fall asleep at 8 PM for weeks after the time change... (I am always an early riser, but that's nuts)

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:26 PM

7. Compromise solution. Let's all move our clocks ahead 30 minutes and leave it there.

 

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Response to stone space (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:32 PM

12. That would work. Even acknowledging we'll NEVER get that time back!

 

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:27 PM

8. Pull another star closer...

Should just about fix everything.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:31 PM

11. nothing, it is here forever, if people haven't gotten used to it by now

 

there is no help for them LOL

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:37 PM

16. "Getting used to it," somehow does not compute.

 

Biorhythms, and such.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:48 PM

25. does your body freak out when you fly from Chicago to Boston?

 

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:54 PM

29. Not if I take a plane.

 

I don't like having to reset my watch, but this is a case where it's warranted.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:38 PM

18. I'm not a fan of DST

When I was working, I had very early start hours and once DST started, it was dark when I left for work and it was still light when I went to bed. And because it was still light, I got all of the ambient noise from the neighborhood kids.

Now that I'm done with the corporate world, I'm not living by the clock, as much, but still hate having to scurry around the house changing the clocks, twice a year.

I seriously doubt it will ever go away.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:40 PM

20. I think it's the stupidest thing we do as a "civilized" society.

It saves NO energy at all, and adds unneeded stress and confusion to an already stressed and confused world.
I used to live in Arizona, and it was so wonderful to be free of this semi-annual nonsense.

FYI, from what I've read, daylight "saving" (not) time seems to have originated, at least most recently, as a WWI measure, in Europe, supposedly to save energy. It didn't save energy then, either.

Oh, and farmers HATE daylight saving time. The cows don't pay attention to pointless clock-fiddling, and neither should we.

Also, at least half the world does NOT engage in this nonsense. See this map!


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Response to MBS (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:44 PM

23. I lived in AZ. Hard to believe, but they know something we don't.

 

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:46 PM

24. Yes, indeed!

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Response to MBS (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:52 PM

56. I live in that red zone in Canada.

 


We 'don't change' but every few years a group of people, like on this thread, get all excited and try to initiate a referendum to reverse this policy. It never works...

.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:53 PM

26. I like it. I have to go home at night in the dark enough as it is.

If nothing else, just keep it all year long (I don't mind the time change myself). But I'm in Seattle and this time of year I'll be going home in the pitch black for the next few months. I've been assaulted here at night and I don't like it. Luckily I've moved, but where I previously lived, I had to walk across an unlighted footbridge at night to get home and it wasn't safe.

I'm sure that you don't intend that women should feel less safe at night, so please factor it in.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:54 PM

28. It's easy to get rid of. Just turn your clock back

 

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:56 PM

33. I have lived in far north states and think we need it.

People who live in the south may not understand the need for it but after living in Washington State for many years, I see the need for it.

By summer, the sun rises awfully early. Even with Daylight savings time, it rises a little after 5 AM. Without DST, it would rise at 4 AM. Think about that. Wouldn't you want to start regular business hours shortly after you woke up instead of wasting a couple of hours of sunlight?
Just MHO.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:02 PM

34. My proposal: Set the clocks BACK an hour each fall and then AGAIN each spring

Setting the clock BACK is never a problem: the problem is always setting the clock FORWARD

So let's just set the clocks BACK every time

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:02 PM

35. We need to get to the root of the problem

We fiddle around with when to move it, how to move it, if we should move it. Just get rid of the damn clocks period. Who wants to hear their life ticking away by the second? Or watch as digital clocks go quietly and relentlessly forward? At least with wall clocks, you get the whole nature is a cycle type thing. Just get rid of the clock as a thing. It's not like 2pm actually exists. It's completely made up from the depths of the human imagination. Problem frikkin' solved.

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Response to The2ndWheel (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:11 PM

42. The original purpose of clocks was to point to the position of the sun in the sky.

 

Now their purpose is to "fool mother nature."

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:04 PM

37. I don't get it.

 

I like DST because I do things outdoors, but it really makes little difference how the clock is set. It's mainly for families with work and school, so they have more daylight in the evening. I am always surprised by those who hate it so passionately. For working people, it's a pretty good thing, so we should probably keep it. The arguments against it seem to all boil down to, "I hate it!"

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:06 PM

38. What can we do to get rid of clocks?

For most of human history we didn't need them.

What the fuck changed?

When did we decide to enslave ourselves to these machines?

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Response to hunter (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:10 PM

40. I feel the same way about clothing and medicine.

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Response to hunter (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:21 PM

43. And how the hell do you handle DST with a water clock?

I guess you suck water out in the spring and put back in the fall. LOL

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Response to hunter (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:27 PM

44. When we started to coordinate society

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Response to hunter (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:38 PM

47. Railroads is the culprit.

 

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:30 PM

64. Damn standardized time,

Next thing you know, the railroad monster will eat both your beef and your babies.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:10 PM

41. I love it, because I like the twice-yearly poutrage that accompanies it

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Response to Orrex (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:58 PM

58. You win the internet today!!

I can't understand the poutrage, either. What's the big deal? We really don't lose (or gain) time at all - time itself is arbitrary. I don't understand people who whine constantly about changing the clocks - they're probably the same people whose VCRs have been blinking at 12:00 for the past 25 years!

That being said, I like the longer days in the summer.

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Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:29 PM

45. I hate standard time

 

Ruins everything. I can only play golf in the afternoon and during standard time there's simply not enough daylight for a full round.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:34 PM

46. DST does NOT change the amount of daylight.

 

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:28 PM

48. Of course it doesn't

Last edited Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

but it does switch things so that you have daylight during hours in which you are expected to function.

DST may not be meaningful to people in states in lower latitudes but it is very meaningful for folks in northern states. In summer time, the sun rises around 5 AM during DST. Without DST, it would rise at 4 AM. Most jobs don't require us to be at work until 8 or 9 so there is a lot of sunlight wasted in the morning before we even get up. Having the sunlight hours at the end of the work day gives people working standard business hours more time to enjoy the sunlight at the end of the day.

edited to add that I used to live in Washington State. There the sun rose around 5 AM in mid-summer. It was so hard to stay asleep when sun was shining through my windows. It would haven been absolutely intolerable to see sunlight streaming into my bedroom at 4 AM.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:51 PM

69. Thank you

 

That describes my situation. The morning daylight does me no good due to my schedule. But lack of daylight after I'm finished shortens valuable time to play golf or cut the grass or clean the cars, etc.

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Response to immoderate (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:52 PM

70. Really? I actually have a whole closet full of daylight I've saved over the years, thanks to DST

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:34 PM

50. Move to Arizona

Our clocks never change. I could never understand it myself. DST does
not add or subtract daylight. Face it, the days are shorter in the winter and longer in the summer.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:41 PM

55. Hell no!

I wish we had Daylight Savings Time year-round!

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:57 PM

57. The current iteration is due in large part to bribes to congress critters

This BS of carrying it clear to near winter and then starting it up again in winter is insane.
The dates are set now to sell Halloween candy in the fall and barbecue crap in the spring.

If we must have it let's go back to Memorial day to Labor Day.

As for me, frankly I say leave it one way or the other. My preference is standard time, but I am flexible.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #57)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:00 PM

59. Just curious....

Why do you think standard time is better?

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Response to moose65 (Reply #59)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:18 PM

63. I am one of these oddball people that prefers dark over light, cool over heat.

Often in the summer I am going to bed while it is light out.

But I don't really care - my preference would be to leave the damned clock alone.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #57)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:03 PM

61. Split the difference

Spring forward a half hour next year and leave it alone. It is crazy here in northern Kansas. It is dark well before I get off work in the winter and it is light until 9:30 pm in the summer.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:12 PM

62. I don't like changing all those clocks, so ...

... let's get rid of Standard Time. Why not stay on Daylight Saving Time all year?

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:48 PM

67. It's a colossal nuisance to people who work in IT

Results of those batch jobs that run in the middle of the night can be "undefined" twice a year.

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Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:50 PM

68. I absolutely HATE IT!!

I am just a few miles west of the Eastern/Central time zone. It will now get dark here before 4pm. I lived in Alaska for many years. If I wanted to stay in the dark all winter I would have stayed there (actually had I not been injured and briefly paralyzed, I would have stayed there ).

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:50 PM

72. I like it, too.

But I know it makes some people absolutely bonkers.

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Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:53 PM

73. Don't accept it. Same with "days". Fuck that Gregorian BS.

Show up when you say it is 8am and Monday not some fuckfaced calendar salesperson who says it is 9am and Tuesday or RAday...

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Mon Nov 7, 2016, 06:02 PM

75. I just wish they'd pick one time and stick to it.

Don't care which one, though I prefer standard simply because my sleep cycle goes on the Circadian rhythm.

I've never needed an alarm clock. I wake with the dawn.

When night falls, I'm ready for bed.

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Response to immoderate (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2016, 06:14 PM

79. Move to Arizona

 

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Mon Nov 7, 2016, 07:01 PM

83. this DST is BS from KAISER WILHELM, tho a NIXONIAN addition i understand.

TWO reasons, it kills, reason 3, the cows don't care. as a NIGHT OWL, i hate it and the delay means we went from light to dark IMMEDIATELy. NO WANT. just leave it now or 1 hour later. just KILL IT!

didn't you people watch john oliver on this? WHY IS THIS STILL A THING?

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