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immoderate

(20,885 posts)
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:19 PM Nov 2016

What can we do to get rid of Daylight Saving Time?

It came up last night at dinner with friends. Everyone had a different idea of how it came about.
"It's to help farmers who get up with the sun"
"It's to prevent children from getting run over on the way to school."
"It was proposed by Benjamin Franklin, to conserve whale oil."
"It's the capitalists."

Nevertheless, we were all pretty much against it, although one considered it a "thing to do."

I can't determine any benefits from it, and find it an inconvenience at best. I say chuck it! Are you all with me? Fuck whale oil!

--imm

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What can we do to get rid of Daylight Saving Time? (Original Post) immoderate Nov 2016 OP
I like it. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #1
me too. it conserves the light for when I can use it maxsolomon Nov 2016 #6
Yes, here in Minnesota it makes a big difference. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #15
Me too - I like how late the sun is up in the summer. cyberswede Nov 2016 #30
I agree... snacker Nov 2016 #52
Me too! CrispyQ Nov 2016 #53
I do too Skittles Nov 2016 #82
I hate DST Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #2
It's bad for a few days. Igel Nov 2016 #84
What can we do to get rid of STANDARD time? IT SUCKS Warpy Nov 2016 #3
Why do I love you? Maybe because you are awesome? Ninga Nov 2016 #9
My issue is with RESETTING clocks twice a year. immoderate Nov 2016 #10
Yeah, it stinks, throws too many people off Warpy Nov 2016 #13
Buy an atomic clock they reset themselves.. LakeArenal Nov 2016 #32
Understand that DST does not increase the number of daylight hours! immoderate Nov 2016 #36
Did I say that? LakeArenal Nov 2016 #49
The tides go in, the tides go out. rickford66 Nov 2016 #66
I completely agree. I find it depressing in the fall/winter kysrsoze Nov 2016 #14
Agreed but Freddie Nov 2016 #17
Cows aren't impressed, either, and will call for milking Warpy Nov 2016 #22
I work early. I like not driving in the pitch dark. Drahthaardogs Nov 2016 #78
This time of year, it would be twilight at 6:30 PM Warpy Nov 2016 #80
Really? I don't remember a passenger in my car this morning Drahthaardogs Nov 2016 #81
I like it. I wish we had it year round Ex Lurker Nov 2016 #4
Works for me. Whatever people will stick to. immoderate Nov 2016 #21
Either stay on DST year round or regular time... one or the other... hlthe2b Nov 2016 #5
Compromise solution. Let's all move our clocks ahead 30 minutes and leave it there. stone space Nov 2016 #7
That would work. Even acknowledging we'll NEVER get that time back! immoderate Nov 2016 #12
Pull another star closer... RedCloud Nov 2016 #8
nothing, it is here forever, if people haven't gotten used to it by now snooper2 Nov 2016 #11
"Getting used to it," somehow does not compute. immoderate Nov 2016 #16
does your body freak out when you fly from Chicago to Boston? snooper2 Nov 2016 #25
Not if I take a plane. immoderate Nov 2016 #29
I'm not a fan of DST Siwsan Nov 2016 #18
I think it's the stupidest thing we do as a "civilized" society. MBS Nov 2016 #20
I lived in AZ. Hard to believe, but they know something we don't. immoderate Nov 2016 #23
Yes, indeed! MBS Nov 2016 #24
I live in that red zone in Canada. CanSocDem Nov 2016 #56
I like it. I have to go home at night in the dark enough as it is. LisaM Nov 2016 #26
It's easy to get rid of. Just turn your clock back jberryhill Nov 2016 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2016 #31
I have lived in far north states and think we need it. Sanity Claws Nov 2016 #33
My proposal: Set the clocks BACK an hour each fall and then AGAIN each spring struggle4progress Nov 2016 #34
We need to get to the root of the problem The2ndWheel Nov 2016 #35
The original purpose of clocks was to point to the position of the sun in the sky. immoderate Nov 2016 #42
I don't get it. HassleCat Nov 2016 #37
What can we do to get rid of clocks? hunter Nov 2016 #38
I feel the same way about clothing and medicine. Orrex Nov 2016 #40
And how the hell do you handle DST with a water clock? Hokie Nov 2016 #43
When we started to coordinate society The2ndWheel Nov 2016 #44
Railroads is the culprit. immoderate Nov 2016 #47
Damn standardized time, Throckmorton Nov 2016 #64
I love it, because I like the twice-yearly poutrage that accompanies it Orrex Nov 2016 #41
You win the internet today!! moose65 Nov 2016 #58
I hate standard time Awsi Dooger Nov 2016 #45
DST does NOT change the amount of daylight. immoderate Nov 2016 #46
Of course it doesn't Sanity Claws Nov 2016 #48
Thank you Awsi Dooger Nov 2016 #69
Really? I actually have a whole closet full of daylight I've saved over the years, thanks to DST struggle4progress Nov 2016 #70
Move to Arizona panader0 Nov 2016 #50
Hell no! chillfactor Nov 2016 #55
The current iteration is due in large part to bribes to congress critters rurallib Nov 2016 #57
Just curious.... moose65 Nov 2016 #59
I am one of these oddball people that prefers dark over light, cool over heat. rurallib Nov 2016 #63
Split the difference stamp the rooster Nov 2016 #61
I don't like changing all those clocks, so ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2016 #62
It's a colossal nuisance to people who work in IT Ellen Forradalom Nov 2016 #67
I absolutely HATE IT!! Separation Nov 2016 #68
I like it, too. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #72
Don't accept it. Same with "days". Fuck that Gregorian BS. JanMichael Nov 2016 #73
I just wish they'd pick one time and stick to it. cwydro Nov 2016 #75
Move to Arizona dbackjon Nov 2016 #79
this DST is BS from KAISER WILHELM, tho a NIXONIAN addition i understand. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #83

maxsolomon

(33,642 posts)
6. me too. it conserves the light for when I can use it
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:24 PM
Nov 2016

if you live in the south of the US, it probably doesn't do much. but up here on the Canadian border, it means the sun doesn't come up at 5 in the morning, and it goes down at 9:30.

works for me.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,660 posts)
15. Yes, here in Minnesota it makes a big difference.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:35 PM
Nov 2016

I like summer days where the sun doesn't start to set until after 9:00.

Warpy

(111,844 posts)
3. What can we do to get rid of STANDARD time? IT SUCKS
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:22 PM
Nov 2016

It especially SUCKED in Boston when I'd go to work in the dark and come home in the dark. With DST year round, I'd have seen the sun on the way home, at least.

Standard time is arbitrary, set by a bunch of colonialist mariners to aid navigation so they could find more brown people to pillage. It makes no sense. It eats warthog balls. It's DEPRESSING.

DST year round! It's the only way!

Screw the DST haters, they don't know what they're talking about.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
10. My issue is with RESETTING clocks twice a year.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
Nov 2016

I'm fine with whatever standard or substandard time setting you will stick to.

--imm

Warpy

(111,844 posts)
13. Yeah, it stinks, throws too many people off
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:33 PM
Nov 2016

and was especially hard in the fall, when my 12 hour night shift was 13 hours long.

Still, DST year around makes the most sense. It doesn't throw farmers off, the stock wakes them up every morning at the same time, anyway, no matter what the clock says. If suburbanites yowl that their kiddies have to go to school in the dark, then have the schools start an hour later year round. BFD.

"Standard" time is totally arbitrary and there is no earthly reason to "return" to it for a depressing 4 1/2 months out of the year.

Kill it dead.

LakeArenal

(29,042 posts)
32. Buy an atomic clock they reset themselves..
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:56 PM
Nov 2016

DST is great in Wisconsin. Evening at 9 is beautiful. You should try it.

LakeArenal

(29,042 posts)
49. Did I say that?
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:30 PM
Nov 2016

Evening is at 9 is Wisconsin in the summer. It's enjoyable. Who said anything about number of hours of daylight? What's with "even in Wisconsin", Snidely Whiplash?

kysrsoze

(6,044 posts)
14. I completely agree. I find it depressing in the fall/winter
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:33 PM
Nov 2016

There are no kids going to school at 6am, so that safety argument is nil. Even with DST switching back, it's dark when I start driving to work. But it just sucks when it's pitch black and work isn't even over.

Freddie

(9,332 posts)
17. Agreed but
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:38 PM
Nov 2016

I seem to recall back in the 70s when I was in HS that Nixon or Ford had 1 year of all-year DST to save energy. The result was kids waiting for the school bus in the pitch black at 8 AM here in the eastern states. (No scientist could have predicted that?) That's why all-year DST won't happen.
Personally I love DST with the long summer evenings. Who needs the blazing sun at 5:00 am other than cows?

Warpy

(111,844 posts)
22. Cows aren't impressed, either, and will call for milking
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:44 PM
Nov 2016

when they need it, no matter what a clock says. Farmers aren't the point.

Schools can start an hour later. Teenagers especially would love that.

There is no reason for "standard" time. We are no longer navigating by sextant. It's time to go to something that works.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
78. I work early. I like not driving in the pitch dark.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 07:11 PM
Nov 2016

I also go to bed early. I don't need it light out at 9:30

Warpy

(111,844 posts)
80. This time of year, it would be twilight at 6:30 PM
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 07:20 PM
Nov 2016

Unless you're a commercial baker, you don't go to sleep that early and you'd drive to work in the dark, anyway.

hlthe2b

(103,041 posts)
5. Either stay on DST year round or regular time... one or the other...
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:23 PM
Nov 2016

I am SOOOOO sensitive that I wake up at 3 AM and fall asleep at 8 PM for weeks after the time change... (I am always an early riser, but that's nuts)

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
11. nothing, it is here forever, if people haven't gotten used to it by now
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

there is no help for them LOL

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
29. Not if I take a plane.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:54 PM
Nov 2016

I don't like having to reset my watch, but this is a case where it's warranted.

--imm

Siwsan

(26,513 posts)
18. I'm not a fan of DST
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:38 PM
Nov 2016

When I was working, I had very early start hours and once DST started, it was dark when I left for work and it was still light when I went to bed. And because it was still light, I got all of the ambient noise from the neighborhood kids.

Now that I'm done with the corporate world, I'm not living by the clock, as much, but still hate having to scurry around the house changing the clocks, twice a year.

I seriously doubt it will ever go away.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
20. I think it's the stupidest thing we do as a "civilized" society.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:40 PM
Nov 2016

It saves NO energy at all, and adds unneeded stress and confusion to an already stressed and confused world.
I used to live in Arizona, and it was so wonderful to be free of this semi-annual nonsense.

FYI, from what I've read, daylight "saving" (not) time seems to have originated, at least most recently, as a WWI measure, in Europe, supposedly to save energy. It didn't save energy then, either.

Oh, and farmers HATE daylight saving time. The cows don't pay attention to pointless clock-fiddling, and neither should we.

Also, at least half the world does NOT engage in this nonsense. See this map!


 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
56. I live in that red zone in Canada.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:52 PM
Nov 2016

We 'don't change' but every few years a group of people, like on this thread, get all excited and try to initiate a referendum to reverse this policy. It never works...

.

LisaM

(27,933 posts)
26. I like it. I have to go home at night in the dark enough as it is.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:53 PM
Nov 2016

If nothing else, just keep it all year long (I don't mind the time change myself). But I'm in Seattle and this time of year I'll be going home in the pitch black for the next few months. I've been assaulted here at night and I don't like it. Luckily I've moved, but where I previously lived, I had to walk across an unlighted footbridge at night to get home and it wasn't safe.

I'm sure that you don't intend that women should feel less safe at night, so please factor it in.

Response to immoderate (Original post)

Sanity Claws

(21,890 posts)
33. I have lived in far north states and think we need it.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:56 PM
Nov 2016

People who live in the south may not understand the need for it but after living in Washington State for many years, I see the need for it.

By summer, the sun rises awfully early. Even with Daylight savings time, it rises a little after 5 AM. Without DST, it would rise at 4 AM. Think about that. Wouldn't you want to start regular business hours shortly after you woke up instead of wasting a couple of hours of sunlight?
Just MHO.

struggle4progress

(118,566 posts)
34. My proposal: Set the clocks BACK an hour each fall and then AGAIN each spring
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:02 PM
Nov 2016

Setting the clock BACK is never a problem: the problem is always setting the clock FORWARD

So let's just set the clocks BACK every time

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
35. We need to get to the root of the problem
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:02 PM
Nov 2016

We fiddle around with when to move it, how to move it, if we should move it. Just get rid of the damn clocks period. Who wants to hear their life ticking away by the second? Or watch as digital clocks go quietly and relentlessly forward? At least with wall clocks, you get the whole nature is a cycle type thing. Just get rid of the clock as a thing. It's not like 2pm actually exists. It's completely made up from the depths of the human imagination. Problem frikkin' solved.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
42. The original purpose of clocks was to point to the position of the sun in the sky.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:11 PM
Nov 2016

Now their purpose is to "fool mother nature."

--imm

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
37. I don't get it.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:04 PM
Nov 2016

I like DST because I do things outdoors, but it really makes little difference how the clock is set. It's mainly for families with work and school, so they have more daylight in the evening. I am always surprised by those who hate it so passionately. For working people, it's a pretty good thing, so we should probably keep it. The arguments against it seem to all boil down to, "I hate it!"

hunter

(38,481 posts)
38. What can we do to get rid of clocks?
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:06 PM
Nov 2016

For most of human history we didn't need them.

What the fuck changed?

When did we decide to enslave ourselves to these machines?

Hokie

(4,288 posts)
43. And how the hell do you handle DST with a water clock?
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:21 PM
Nov 2016

I guess you suck water out in the spring and put back in the fall. LOL

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
64. Damn standardized time,
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:30 PM
Nov 2016

Next thing you know, the railroad monster will eat both your beef and your babies.

moose65

(3,180 posts)
58. You win the internet today!!
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:58 PM
Nov 2016

I can't understand the poutrage, either. What's the big deal? We really don't lose (or gain) time at all - time itself is arbitrary. I don't understand people who whine constantly about changing the clocks - they're probably the same people whose VCRs have been blinking at 12:00 for the past 25 years!

That being said, I like the longer days in the summer.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
45. I hate standard time
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:29 PM
Nov 2016

Ruins everything. I can only play golf in the afternoon and during standard time there's simply not enough daylight for a full round.

Sanity Claws

(21,890 posts)
48. Of course it doesn't
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:28 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:54 PM - Edit history (1)

but it does switch things so that you have daylight during hours in which you are expected to function.

DST may not be meaningful to people in states in lower latitudes but it is very meaningful for folks in northern states. In summer time, the sun rises around 5 AM during DST. Without DST, it would rise at 4 AM. Most jobs don't require us to be at work until 8 or 9 so there is a lot of sunlight wasted in the morning before we even get up. Having the sunlight hours at the end of the work day gives people working standard business hours more time to enjoy the sunlight at the end of the day.

edited to add that I used to live in Washington State. There the sun rose around 5 AM in mid-summer. It was so hard to stay asleep when sun was shining through my windows. It would haven been absolutely intolerable to see sunlight streaming into my bedroom at 4 AM.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
69. Thank you
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:51 PM
Nov 2016

That describes my situation. The morning daylight does me no good due to my schedule. But lack of daylight after I'm finished shortens valuable time to play golf or cut the grass or clean the cars, etc.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
50. Move to Arizona
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:34 PM
Nov 2016

Our clocks never change. I could never understand it myself. DST does
not add or subtract daylight. Face it, the days are shorter in the winter and longer in the summer.

rurallib

(62,592 posts)
57. The current iteration is due in large part to bribes to congress critters
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 04:57 PM
Nov 2016

This BS of carrying it clear to near winter and then starting it up again in winter is insane.
The dates are set now to sell Halloween candy in the fall and barbecue crap in the spring.

If we must have it let's go back to Memorial day to Labor Day.

As for me, frankly I say leave it one way or the other. My preference is standard time, but I am flexible.

rurallib

(62,592 posts)
63. I am one of these oddball people that prefers dark over light, cool over heat.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:18 PM
Nov 2016

Often in the summer I am going to bed while it is light out.

But I don't really care - my preference would be to leave the damned clock alone.

61. Split the difference
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:03 PM
Nov 2016

Spring forward a half hour next year and leave it alone. It is crazy here in northern Kansas. It is dark well before I get off work in the winter and it is light until 9:30 pm in the summer.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,481 posts)
62. I don't like changing all those clocks, so ...
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:12 PM
Nov 2016

... let's get rid of Standard Time. Why not stay on Daylight Saving Time all year?

Ellen Forradalom

(16,161 posts)
67. It's a colossal nuisance to people who work in IT
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:48 PM
Nov 2016

Results of those batch jobs that run in the middle of the night can be "undefined" twice a year.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
68. I absolutely HATE IT!!
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 05:50 PM
Nov 2016

I am just a few miles west of the Eastern/Central time zone. It will now get dark here before 4pm. I lived in Alaska for many years. If I wanted to stay in the dark all winter I would have stayed there (actually had I not been injured and briefly paralyzed, I would have stayed there .

JanMichael

(24,946 posts)
73. Don't accept it. Same with "days". Fuck that Gregorian BS.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 06:53 PM
Nov 2016

Show up when you say it is 8am and Monday not some fuckfaced calendar salesperson who says it is 9am and Tuesday or RAday...

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
75. I just wish they'd pick one time and stick to it.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 07:02 PM
Nov 2016

Don't care which one, though I prefer standard simply because my sleep cycle goes on the Circadian rhythm.

I've never needed an alarm clock. I wake with the dawn.

When night falls, I'm ready for bed.

pansypoo53219

(21,107 posts)
83. this DST is BS from KAISER WILHELM, tho a NIXONIAN addition i understand.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 08:01 PM
Nov 2016

TWO reasons, it kills, reason 3, the cows don't care. as a NIGHT OWL, i hate it and the delay means we went from light to dark IMMEDIATELy. NO WANT. just leave it now or 1 hour later. just KILL IT!

didn't you people watch john oliver on this? WHY IS THIS STILL A THING?

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