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Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 09:05 PM Sep 2016

Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France

Religion vs women's rights. Again.

Young Muslim men beat up the husbands and boyfriends of women deemed too scantily clothed on the beach (in shorts). Why do I read many more comments in defense of the burkini (the recently invented 'islamic' swimwear), but precious little about the attempts at religion to encroach on the beach?

I love the PC denial of the article "There is no information on the alleged perpetrators’ .. religion." Who calls girls "whores" for wearing shorts? French Buddhists?

Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France inflames social media

Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.

“They [the attackers] shouted to them [the women] 'whores' and 'go on, get naked’,” the Valeurs Acuelles magazine quoted Marchal as saying.

Two suspects, reportedly one 17-year-old and one 19-year-old, were apprehended on Tuesday. It is thought they have a preexisting criminal record. The identity of the alleged perpetrators remains undisclosed. An investigation is underway to track down the others.

Mayor of Toulon Hubert Falco said that “attacking my fellow citizens in shorts is abnormal and pitiable.”

“I am happy that thanks to the efficiency of the national police and CCTV cameras of the city, we could apprehend the perpetrators. One does not attack a woman because she is wearing shorts. This heinous act must be punished harshly,” France Bleu quoted the Mayor as saying.

One of the victims, named only as Marie, commented on the incident to the Nice Matin newspaper on Friday.

“We were not wearing shorts. We were in sportswear. One youngster badmouthed us and then things quickly escalated,” newspaper quotes the victim.

There is no information on the alleged perpetrators’ identities, nationalities, citizenship or religion. However, some in France linked the attacks on short-wearers to the burkini controversy and Islam in general. Julien Leonardelli, the department secretary for the far-right National Front in Haute-Garonne, claimed on Twitter, that "Sharia is already installed in Toulon."

https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/
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Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France (Original Post) Albertoo Sep 2016 OP
People should have no say in what others wear, and if they are titillated, then it's their own damn uppityperson Sep 2016 #1
Shouldn't people who migrate assimilate? left-of-center2012 Sep 2016 #2
Erdogan TOLD ethnic Turkish Germans NOT to assimilate at a rally in Germany Albertoo Sep 2016 #3
Or how about just following their own values themselves, Nye Bevan Sep 2016 #4
because some people lose their shit over skin, nude bodies, or bathing suits? Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #7
Most progressives would rather favor multiculturalism davidn3600 Sep 2016 #24
It is a bit of a fantasy romanic Sep 2016 #25
If you moved to Saudi Arabis would start to follow their mores? AngryAmish Sep 2016 #42
I would not physically attack them for theirs n/t left-of-center2012 Sep 2016 #62
No. And I would not move to Saudia Arabia for precisely that reason. WestCoastLib Sep 2016 #78
Exactly..If you have serious differences with a country's laws & culture, don't go there. whathehell Sep 2016 #80
I certainly followed their dress code in public Abq_Sarah Sep 2016 #86
Yes, and hell yes! whathehell Sep 2016 #79
They're just like the western men who justify rape Warpy Sep 2016 #5
I hope all the people outraged over the burkini ban will similarly stand up Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #6
You can hope all you want ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #17
Against the burkini ban awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #19
Agreed True Dough Sep 2016 #27
That's me, too. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #28
I'm anti burkini ban Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #30
I'm on the same page. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #32
Wish in one hand and poop in the other... Taitertots Sep 2016 #33
I think if people want to immigrate into a pluralistic, secular society Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #34
Well of course jberryhill Sep 2016 #35
It's also weird that nobody demands that Emirjeta Xhelili "assimilate" ck4829 Sep 2016 #36
She should go to jail, is what she should do. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #39
I didnt see the thread. But i condemn all such acts of violence. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #40
Threads, plural jberryhill Sep 2016 #41
I would rec this if I could kcr Sep 2016 #69
If you wish to call Warren a liar, why not just spit it out? 11 Bravo Sep 2016 #75
WTF? jberryhill Sep 2016 #76
Like I said, I condemn both. But... I'm consistently pro-personal freedom. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #88
Oppose both. People should be free to wear conservative swimwear or muntrv Sep 2016 #60
i do think there is a problem with islamic fundies but do you have another source besides RT for JI7 Sep 2016 #8
here's two melman Sep 2016 #12
Sick bastards. smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #9
This old man had to get his glasses on, I thought you posted ' thick beards ' nolabels Sep 2016 #77
Russia Today? mwrguy Sep 2016 #10
Here's a different source on the same story. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #11
right on, Warren! They're a bunch of Fred Flinstones. So archaic in their judgments. Divine Discontent Sep 2016 #13
It's France Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #31
I'm sure you condemn these Muslim attackers now you have been given other sources Albertoo Sep 2016 #14
You know, it's exactly this sort of insistence that there is no problem... Marr Sep 2016 #18
It appears officials are looking for the criminals. cpwm17 Sep 2016 #15
you do not "think there is much support for the criminals"? Albertoo Sep 2016 #20
Good way to get shot in the US... TipTok Sep 2016 #16
Russia Today as a source? Um, no. Daily Mail is just as credible. closeupready Sep 2016 #21
Story confirmed by the NYT and WaPo (as mentioned in the thread) Albertoo Sep 2016 #22
It really shows how women are being policed no matter what they wear. KitSileya Sep 2016 #23
It's not a venue designed to sanction saltpoint Sep 2016 #26
K&R "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR Xis & Cheneys Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #29
Both groups can be wrong Bettie Sep 2016 #37
So your 'solution' is to insist that everyone behave nicely. Sorry, that's not going to happen. randome Sep 2016 #43
My solution is to ask that people be grown-ups Bettie Sep 2016 #68
They can't find the attackers so they apparently got away with it. randome Sep 2016 #71
If they are not French Citizens GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #82
I don't believe a word of this story because your source is RT. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #44
If you would have read through the thread, you would have seen links from other sources. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #45
I don't wste time reading long threads. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #46
This place has gone off the deep end when it comes to protecting Islam. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #47
This place has gone off the eep end when it comes to protecting Putin. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #48
When did I protect Putin? Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #49
OP cited a Putin propaganda rag. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #50
No, I have the sense to verify the non-bullshit story with other sources. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #51
I won't click those links MohRokTah Sep 2016 #52
What do you have against the women of France? Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #53
Nothing. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #55
Eh, just because I might not like a source doesn't fully discredit a story. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #57
RT is a bullshit source that publishes nothing but Bullshit. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #58
You are being trolled. Stop feeding it. Taitertots Sep 2016 #59
Seriously, it's almost laughable. smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #84
You do have the time to type out several responses though... TipTok Sep 2016 #54
I will typically respond to people who respond to me. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #56
Hope this helps bighart Sep 2016 #61
I never click links provided in comments. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #63
That seems a bit obstinate. bighart Sep 2016 #64
I had a bad experience clicking a link in a comment a few years back and have never done so since. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #66
Willfully Obtuse (eom) ProfessorGAC Sep 2016 #65
See Post #66. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #67
See post 65 GummyBearz Sep 2016 #81
So if a RW media posts an accurate fact, you reject the authenticity of the fact? Albertoo Sep 2016 #87
About one third of all males in any given American bar. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #70
But not that many to their faces. Your point is taken but there is a difference. randome Sep 2016 #72
Well unlike Saudi Arabia romanic Sep 2016 #73
Nonsense melman Sep 2016 #74
Really? GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #83
Link to stats for that please. nt riderinthestorm Sep 2016 #90
Another take on the incident by one of the people attacked: JanMichael Sep 2016 #85
No one give two shits about a first person account on this do they? nt JanMichael Sep 2016 #89
Uhm, that account is woefully scant on details. nt riderinthestorm Sep 2016 #91
Like RT and others are better with their BS? JanMichael Sep 2016 #92

uppityperson

(115,673 posts)
1. People should have no say in what others wear, and if they are titillated, then it's their own damn
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 09:10 PM
Sep 2016

problem.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
2. Shouldn't people who migrate assimilate?
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 09:15 PM
Sep 2016

Shouldn't they try to fit in and adapt,
instead of enforcing values brought with them?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. Or how about just following their own values themselves,
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 09:26 PM
Sep 2016

without imposing their views on others? The Amish, for example, aren't big on bikinis and shorts but for some reason I never hear about Amish people assaulting non-Amish folk who wear shorts.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. because some people lose their shit over skin, nude bodies, or bathing suits?
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:54 PM
Sep 2016

Seriously, it's like they come fucking unglued.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
24. Most progressives would rather favor multiculturalism
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 12:13 AM
Sep 2016

Basically a variety of different cultures, religions, customs, people, etc, all living under the same social umbrella peacefully all minding their own business.

In other words, they want a salad bowl and not a melting pot.

It's a bit of a fantasy, especially when it comes to religion. Both Muslims and Christians seem to have a serious problem minding their own business. They like to exert social control, especially over women and homosexuals. They become very irritated when their neighbor doesn't worship or live in the manner they like. They both advocate conversion and expansion, not to keep to themselves.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
25. It is a bit of a fantasy
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 12:48 AM
Sep 2016

Well more so in the Middle East where non-muslims and foreign labor are treated like shit and persecuted for simply existing.

whathehell

(28,879 posts)
80. Exactly..If you have serious differences with a country's laws & culture, don't go there.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:35 PM
Sep 2016

End of story.

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
86. I certainly followed their dress code in public
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 08:59 PM
Sep 2016

They weren't as uptight back in the 70's but I damned sure didn't go out without a kaftan.

whathehell

(28,879 posts)
79. Yes, and hell yes!
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:29 PM
Sep 2016

How dare they impose on the hospitality of another country by trying to violently FORCE their values upon them? And people wonder why so many in Europe are wary of immigration?

Warpy

(110,551 posts)
5. They're just like the western men who justify rape
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:38 PM
Sep 2016

according to what the victim was wearing, even when what she was wearing was perfectly appropriate.

I know France has laws against assault. Maybe it's time to deport some of these punks.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. I hope all the people outraged over the burkini ban will similarly stand up
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:53 PM
Sep 2016

and defend the right of people to wear scant or even provocative clothing, if that's what they want to do.

Dorian Gray

(13,457 posts)
30. I'm anti burkini ban
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:03 AM
Sep 2016

and I think that if these attackers should be arrested for assault. And if they are immigrants, they should lose their residency over something like this.

It's terrible. Nobody should attack any woman for what she wears. It's horrible. This woman was riding a bike. Good Lord, let her ride in peace.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
32. I'm on the same page.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:13 AM
Sep 2016

I think individuals should be free to choose for themselves. That goes for shorts, it goes for burkinis, it goes for pirate garb, all of it.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
33. Wish in one hand and poop in the other...
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:21 AM
Sep 2016

How about they stop letting people immigrate from cultures where violence is regularly used to force religious dogma on people? Instead of wishing for a fantasy world where the immigrants have shared values.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
34. I think if people want to immigrate into a pluralistic, secular society
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:41 AM
Sep 2016

they need to be prepared to exist and co-exist peacefully in such.

But I'm not in charge of France's immigration policies, of course.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. Well of course
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:11 AM
Sep 2016

I missed your comment on the woman set on fire in New York yesterday. So there is selective outrage all around.

ck4829

(34,841 posts)
36. It's also weird that nobody demands that Emirjeta Xhelili "assimilate"
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:56 AM
Sep 2016

And I haven't seen anybody call for her deportation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/12/suspect-punched-muslim-women-in-face-and-tried-to-pull-off-their/

I'm pretty sure trying to set people on fire or punching strangers aren't American cultural values.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. She should go to jail, is what she should do.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:14 AM
Sep 2016

As should the shorts attackers.

Edited to add: Its true, punching people and setting them on fire arent tolerant values appropriate to a pluralistic 21st century society.

Neither are having a meltdown over shorts, bathing suits, nudity or sex.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #35)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
40. I didnt see the thread. But i condemn all such acts of violence.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:26 AM
Sep 2016

And unlike the people here who fell all over themselves to make excuses for the charlie hebdo shooters, etc. i will unequivocally condemn the perpetrators of such acts and hold them solely responsible with no victim blaming.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
41. Threads, plural
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:40 AM
Sep 2016

There were several posts about the Muslim woman set afire in New York yesterday, by a Christian immigrant.

They attracted very few comments relative to this story.

That says something about DU.

A very common feature of online discussion forums is selective engagement. For example, at freeperville one will no doubt find frequent stories of the "illegal immigrant commits crime" variety. Are there undocumented immigrants who commit crimes? Yes, any population of persons includes persons who commit crimes. But the effect of selective engagement with that variety of story is to create a broader association of undocumented immigrants and crime.

Your observation was about what other people on DU should be doing, to wit:

"I hope all the people outraged over the burkini ban will similarly stand up..." etc.

The hypocrisy is not in your attitude about people being free to wear what they want, it is about your urging "people outraged over the burkini ban" to condemn this incident or somehow have some odious view attributed to them by silence. If you are going to expect other people to comment on this incident, then it seems odd that you, and "all the people" who agree with you, did not comment on the other story, posted multiple times here.

Essentially, your comment was intended to scold a group of people for not condemning this incident to your personal satisfaction, while it is quite clear that none of the "people who were not outraged over the burkini ban" - which group I assume from context excludes you, since you refer to them as a "them" - have had anything to say about a woman being lit on fire in the United States.

Yes, you didn't see the thread. Neither, apparently, did any of your ilk. See how that works?

11 Bravo

(23,921 posts)
75. If you wish to call Warren a liar, why not just spit it out?
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 04:39 PM
Sep 2016

I didn't see the thread in question either. Oh, FUCK! I'm an ilk!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
76. WTF?
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 04:45 PM
Sep 2016

No, I am not calling him a liar, and you clearly do not seem to have understood what I was saying, nor the intent of the last line of my post.

He is calling out an un-named group of - burkini ban critics - to condemn this reported assault, as if there were some requirement for others to comment on threads of his choosing and in the manner of his choosing while, apparently, the various threads about a woman in New York who was lit afire by a Christian immigrant do not seem to have attracted much commentary at all.

That is distinct from saying "I condemn both things", because his initial point was to suggest there is some moral defect in those who do not rush to comment on the threads he wants others to comment upon.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
88. Like I said, I condemn both. But... I'm consistently pro-personal freedom.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 10:08 PM
Sep 2016

I just wonder whether the people who think blasphemous cartoons and the sports illustrated swimsuit issue should be illegal, would be able to bring themselves to do the same.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
60. Oppose both. People should be free to wear conservative swimwear or
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 08:40 AM
Sep 2016

outfits that leave nothing to the imagination.

JI7

(89,099 posts)
8. i do think there is a problem with islamic fundies but do you have another source besides RT for
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:58 PM
Sep 2016

this story ?

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
77. This old man had to get his glasses on, I thought you posted ' thick beards '
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:12 PM
Sep 2016

ZZ Top - Legs (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Here's a different source on the same story.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 04:02 AM
Sep 2016
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/attack-france-women-clothing-sexist-abuse-violence-burkini-ban-a7233386.html

Despicable, isn't it? People having violent temper tantrums over bikinis, women wearing shorts, nudity, sex, etc.

What the fuck. it's the 21st century. Fuckin' Fred Flintstone needs to get with it, already.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
13. right on, Warren! They're a bunch of Fred Flinstones. So archaic in their judgments.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 04:11 AM
Sep 2016

Like is said above, if they want to follow those strict rules for themselves, fine, but do not harm any person in your family or not, for choosing to wear what they want. I don't want this judgmental ignorance seen here.

Dorian Gray

(13,457 posts)
31. It's France
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:05 AM
Sep 2016

There shouldn't be anybody policing the streets except for french police.

This is disturbing.

(And I know it happens here in certain religious communities, and it shouldn't.)

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
14. I'm sure you condemn these Muslim attackers now you have been given other sources
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:11 PM
Sep 2016

NB: this assault on women for being 'improperly dressed' (read in bathing suits or shorts) is a frequent occurrence now in Algeria ever since society bowed to appease the pressure of the armed Islamic groups of the 80s, 90s.

This very summer, there were occurrences of women denied entrance to a/ a clinic b/ a courtroom for not being dressed conservatively enough. In each case, the decision to deny entry was made by a security guard based on his opinion, but was endorsed by their hierarchies when the guards both claimed religious reasons.

Religion vs women's rights. Again.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
18. You know, it's exactly this sort of insistence that there is no problem...
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:12 PM
Sep 2016

that is the biggest problem.

Enough with the bullshit, kneejerk defense of anything with a Koran.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
15. It appears officials are looking for the criminals.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:23 PM
Sep 2016

This crime wasn't supported by the local government. I don't think there is much support for the criminals.

Local governments did pass laws on what women could wear to the beach. Obviously many people have strong opinions about that, including many people supporting the new laws.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
20. you do not "think there is much support for the criminals"?
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 11:03 PM
Sep 2016

You probably did not read my answer in my post #14:
this type of physical enforcement of prudery is now mainstream in Algeria and Tunisia.
And by reason of geographic origin of migrants, spreading to France.

It is not what most Muslims in Algeria and Tunisia practice, but that behavior of young thugs who want to play god by enforcing clothing prudery is not condemned by bystanders for fear of being called antireligious themselves. So the thugs get away with it, which gives an example to others it's OK to order women around.

Religion appropriated by bigots against women's rights amid a hapless majority. As often.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
23. It really shows how women are being policed no matter what they wear.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 11:28 PM
Sep 2016

Young Muslim men use violence to force women to wear approved-by-them clothing, and male police officers use force and economic power to force women to wear approved-by-them clothing. The victims are, as always, women in general who have always known that society polices what we wear, no matter what we wear.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
26. It's not a venue designed to sanction
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 12:55 AM
Sep 2016

religious dogma.

The beach really belongs to Poseidon and Poseidon for some thousands of years doesn't care who wears what to swim.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
29. K&R "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR Xis & Cheneys
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 01:22 AM
Sep 2016

“You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the world will live as one.”
― John Lennon
IMAGINE - greater

Bettie

(15,892 posts)
37. Both groups can be wrong
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:03 AM
Sep 2016

If you don't like burkinis...don't wear one.

If you don't like shorts...don't wear them.

It is none of person A's business what person B wears or otherwise adorns his or her body with.

Follow the laws of the country you are in and it should all be good. Though, banning clothing specifically because it is worn by one religious group is a douche move, designed to discriminate against a said religious group.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
43. So your 'solution' is to insist that everyone behave nicely. Sorry, that's not going to happen.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:49 AM
Sep 2016

There is too much of a cultural divide between the East and West. What we see as the very essence of social norms -not trying to hide yourself or disguise yourself- is seen as the very opposite in much of the Eastern world.

This is more basic than even religion. It's a cultural divide.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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Bettie

(15,892 posts)
68. My solution is to ask that people be grown-ups
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 01:49 PM
Sep 2016

and not decide for others what they are to wear or not wear.

If you harass people because you do not like their clothing choices, you should be ticketed and/or arrested depending on the severity of the incident.

What is your solution? Do you have one?

Asking adults to behave like adults shouldn't be that much of an issue, but authoritarianism tends to go hand in hand with fundamentalist religion, of all varieties.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
71. They can't find the attackers so they apparently got away with it.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 02:39 PM
Sep 2016

I don't know if there is a solution other than encouraging immigrants to try and assimilate. This clash of cultures will never resolve itself, imo. If we try to remain 'pure' in philosophy, pretending there is no difference between the East and West, nothing will change.

That is not meant to be a license to discriminate, btw, it's just an acknowledgement that the cultural clash is real.

On edit: they did find the attackers, I was wrong. But that occurs after someone has been injured and telling people after the fact to behave better -or ticketing or imprisoning them later- will probably not be a deterrent.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
[/center][/font][hr]

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
82. If they are not French Citizens
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:36 PM
Sep 2016

And they shipped their sorry asses back to the hellhole the came from, even if is Syria,then I am thinking it would be a damned effective deterrent against future incidents of this nature.

People who do things like this generally quit when their actions harm them more than their victims.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
44. I don't believe a word of this story because your source is RT.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:54 AM
Sep 2016

If you find a REAL source, I'll consider the story.

Until then, the story is complete BULLSHIT.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
50. OP cited a Putin propaganda rag.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 08:15 AM
Sep 2016

The story is complete bullshit because it comes from a Putin propaganda rag.

You supported that, ergo, you are protecting Putin.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
55. Nothing.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 08:22 AM
Sep 2016

I refuse to believe anything posted here citing RT. The OP could have edited their post with a REAL citation at any time.

Don't like it? Start a REAL thread citing a REAL source.

Ace Rothstein

(3,081 posts)
57. Eh, just because I might not like a source doesn't fully discredit a story.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 08:23 AM
Sep 2016

Especially when many news outlets are reports the same. It is intellectually dishonest to claim otherwise.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
58. RT is a bullshit source that publishes nothing but Bullshit.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 08:24 AM
Sep 2016

I will never believe anything citing RT as a source.

NOT. ONE. WORD.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
63. I never click links provided in comments.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 09:42 AM
Sep 2016

Only the OP.

The OP cited a known bullshit site, ergo, the story is false.

bighart

(1,565 posts)
64. That seems a bit obstinate.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 09:52 AM
Sep 2016

"The OP cited a known bullshit site, ergo, the story is false."

It almost sounds like you are saying if one bullshit site runs a story it is unquestionably false regardless of any other agency that runs the same story.

Not meaning to be confrontational just trying to understand your point of view.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
66. I had a bad experience clicking a link in a comment a few years back and have never done so since.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 10:13 AM
Sep 2016
 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
87. So if a RW media posts an accurate fact, you reject the authenticity of the fact?
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:25 PM
Sep 2016

The rule about RW media was obviously set to avoid making posts the echo chamber of RW opinion (expressed or implied)

However if a RW media states a fact like an eclipse of the sun or the temperature yesterday in Saskatchewan, rejecting the fact because of the source becomes .. weird.

In the present case, the OP states a fact which has been confirmed by media across the political spectrum, which would tend to make it an objective fact.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. About one third of all males in any given American bar.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 02:34 PM
Sep 2016

"Who calls girls "whores" for wearing shorts?"

About one third of all males in any given American bar, regardless of how un-PC that may be as well.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
72. But not that many to their faces. Your point is taken but there is a difference.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 02:43 PM
Sep 2016

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Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
83. Really?
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:41 PM
Sep 2016

I have been going to bars for over 30 years, often times with scantily clad ladies. Never once did it result in religious nuts putting a beat down on the ladies dates or husbands.

And the only times I have seen women assaulted it was by other women.

Horrible analogy.

JanMichael

(24,825 posts)
92. Like RT and others are better with their BS?
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 10:17 PM
Sep 2016

"UPDATED: A French mother whose family were attacked on the Riviera by a group of young men has denied the motive for the assault was the fact the women were wearing shorts, as was initially claimed."

Scant? They were just teen assholes nothing special.

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