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Post removed (Original Post) Post removed Sep 2016 OP
There is no need to take every OP seriously. upaloopa Sep 2016 #1
Gbcw... sometime in the future? pintobean Sep 2016 #2
They're serving notice that they might serve notice. Orrex Sep 2016 #53
And I'm warning you that you've been warned. Repeatedly. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #55
Thanks for the warnings. Orrex Sep 2016 #56
I concur, followed '08 / '12 and never seen it like this kcjohn1 Sep 2016 #3
Let me guess,the places you go to for your "doze" of reality is one that actually synergie Sep 2016 #13
+1! BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #58
Feeling similarly kcjohn1 chknltl Sep 2016 #40
Agree with you 100% ciaobaby Sep 2016 #4
Outside of major elections... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #5
This year just seems "meaner" than usual. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #7
Seems like an overall nice place these days. NCTraveler Sep 2016 #12
Every election year in history has been mean Generic Brad Sep 2016 #33
I so agree, been that way for some time now Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #6
There are any old timers here on DU who think they're quite important and influential. If you monmouth4 Sep 2016 #8
So who were you before? Kingofalldems Sep 2016 #9
I don't find that thoughtful and respectful disagreement or discussion is gone at all bhikkhu Sep 2016 #10
Why would one ever get bummed by a message board? bigwillq Sep 2016 #11
I'm wondering the same thing...with everything else in the world going on, plus your own lives CTyankee Sep 2016 #16
What funny about your response is. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #17
Cool story, bro. nt onehandle Sep 2016 #14
What would you like to discuss? KMOD Sep 2016 #15
Links please? Kingofalldems Sep 2016 #18
This is what I am talking about. Dreamweaver 5.0 Sep 2016 #20
When you make an assertion it would be nice to cite examples. Kingofalldems Sep 2016 #22
I understand, but I think you just have to wait this one out. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #19
Been that way since day one. Rex Sep 2016 #21
I understand. In GENERAL, I am careful what I write, as I don't want to BigDemVoter Sep 2016 #23
I know how it feels. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #24
+1 Agree with many of your points Person 2713 Sep 2016 #25
I used to get emotionally invested here. Texasgal Sep 2016 #26
Agreed deathrind Sep 2016 #27
Wow all this insight Andy823 Sep 2016 #28
It's been worse, in my opinion. cheapdate Sep 2016 #29
One of the reasons I don't post much here... quickesst Sep 2016 #30
Yup. K&R nt riderinthestorm Sep 2016 #31
Who were you before? Raine1967 Sep 2016 #32
I feel you. Not Sure Sep 2016 #34
I guess it depends on how you use it and your expectations hibbing Sep 2016 #35
I agree and that is all I'm going to say. rwsanders Sep 2016 #36
I stopped giving a fu*n retrowire Sep 2016 #37
Agreed. Well said. zentrum Sep 2016 #38
Nope. Skinner says this is the way things are going to be post GE Arazi Sep 2016 #39
I disagree. DU is finally back to being a sane place I can think about recommending to people again. stevenleser Sep 2016 #41
This. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #42
+1,000,000! MADem Sep 2016 #47
+1 betsuni Sep 2016 #50
If you are a person of color, an immigrant, and many La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #43
DU is just following the trends of discussion online. HuckleB Sep 2016 #44
I'm spending less time on DU than I used to. Jim Lane Sep 2016 #45
It has been different G_j Sep 2016 #46
Creating new accounts is a direct violation of TOS. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #48
Not this again. You left out "echo chamber." betsuni Sep 2016 #49
Very true... nt Raine Sep 2016 #51
What's a "hiway"? Is that where you go to say "hi" to everyone? :) StrictlyRockers Sep 2016 #52
You have 100 posts Democat Sep 2016 #54
You're describing modern politics HerrKarlMarx Sep 2016 #57

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. There is no need to take every OP seriously.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:54 PM
Sep 2016

I know what you mean. I just pass up the my way or the highway stuff.

It is really a bullying tactic and deserves no respect.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
3. I concur, followed '08 / '12 and never seen it like this
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:55 PM
Sep 2016

Seems like all hail the leader type of attitude. No discussion of issues nor is it open forum. You would think this is propaganda outlet.

I used to come latest thread as my first stop because I would get good representation of what is going not only in politics but the world. That unforuntely is not the case anymore. I need to go other places to get my doze of reality and what is actually going on.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
13. Let me guess,the places you go to for your "doze" of reality is one that actually
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:10 PM
Sep 2016

appends a demand that you "all hail the leader" and not intimate that he still has no shot at the Democratic nomination, right?

It's an open forum, and discussion is going on, that you don't agree with the facts and the reality that's discussed, doesn't not make it any less factual or real.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
58. +1!
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 06:54 AM
Sep 2016

The "About Us" section of that hate-site literally says "we support only one candidate, and don't you dare mention anyone else, even if she won the nomination (through conspiracies, obviously)."

I've had it up to here with all this projection being leveled at Democrats from the left fringe. Nothing peeves me quite like being called a "right-winger" by a bunch of authoritarian know-nothings with no respect for the democratic process. They should look in their mirror for the real "Republican Lite."

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
40. Feeling similarly kcjohn1
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:59 PM
Sep 2016

I haven't changed but this place has. It is less the place for important debate-interpretation-backstory of events that i wish to learn learn from than it used to be. You mentioned propaganda, yeah....i don't want to be propagandised either and my bullshit sniffer been going crazy.













 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. Outside of major elections...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:00 PM
Sep 2016

DU and its members are highly critical of the party and its people. Since you mention your duration here, this aspect is something you should be well aware of.

And where your party is standing is under the most progressive platform in decades.

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
7. This year just seems "meaner" than usual.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:03 PM
Sep 2016

Or I'm just getting older and my tolerance level for dealing with shenanigans has dropped.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. Seems like an overall nice place these days.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:09 PM
Sep 2016

The format lends itself to some pretty mean and heated primaries. Then there is the adjustment period where winners and losers attempt to come back together. It's like a social experiment.

Generic Brad

(14,279 posts)
33. Every election year in history has been mean
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:34 PM
Sep 2016

Yet some how DU (and in the larger picture - the Republic) still survive. People come and go. Meanness remains.

monmouth4

(9,739 posts)
8. There are any old timers here on DU who think they're quite important and influential. If you
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:06 PM
Sep 2016

disagree with them they get on that high horse of theirs. Ignore them..

bhikkhu

(10,730 posts)
10. I don't find that thoughtful and respectful disagreement or discussion is gone at all
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:09 PM
Sep 2016

but I do find that a lot of useless interpersonal flaming is gone, though not all of that. I think its important to look at it in perspective - virtually every news forum on the internet has seen its forums devolve into the equivalent of 5-year old s**t-slinging tournaments, and had all serious readers driven out. Many (if not most) news sites that don't depend on forums have shut them down as public embarrassments. DU was never that bad, but I can recall times when I looked at the general discussion pages and deliberately avoided two-thirds of them, as any attempt to discuss quickly led a good dragging into the mud.

If you've got something you've put some thought to (such as this OP), I don't see it getting pulled.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
11. Why would one ever get bummed by a message board?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:09 PM
Sep 2016


It's really not that serious.

Take a break. Drink a beer. Write a song. Dance. Something.

CTyankee

(63,947 posts)
16. I'm wondering the same thing...with everything else in the world going on, plus your own lives
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:13 PM
Sep 2016

why would you care about DU that much? I love DU and have invested losts of time and efforts into it, wouldn't trade it for anything, but really it isn't my whole life!

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
17. What funny about your response is.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:15 PM
Sep 2016

I make my living as a musican and produce documentary films on the side.

I come here to let my hair down and relax.

Thanks for your thoughts though.

Kingofalldems

(38,564 posts)
18. Links please?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:17 PM
Sep 2016

I'd like to know what the hell you are talking about.

Looks like a callout of DU members from here.

 

Dreamweaver 5.0

(124 posts)
20. This is what I am talking about.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:23 PM
Sep 2016

I shouldn't have to prove why I feel the way I do.
I feel this way because I do.
It's a concensus of multiple posts and flame wars on DU.

I am calling out myself.

That's all.

Kingofalldems

(38,564 posts)
22. When you make an assertion it would be nice to cite examples.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:25 PM
Sep 2016

And no your OP was not a callout of yourself, in my opinion.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
19. I understand, but I think you just have to wait this one out.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:21 PM
Sep 2016

Maybe it will get better after the election, maybe not.

BigDemVoter

(4,161 posts)
23. I understand. In GENERAL, I am careful what I write, as I don't want to
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:31 PM
Sep 2016

inadvertently get my post(s) removed or get banned. There have been a few times where my temper or irritation got the best of me, and I DID blurt out something.

As far as OP's are concerned, I just skip those I don't agree with, as I KNOW what will happen if I DO respond in the wrong way.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
24. I know how it feels.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:46 PM
Sep 2016

Voted Democrat my entire adult life, volunteered for local campaigns, had the bumper stickers, and defended Obama from some of the worst, yet lately I've been called a right-winger and a racist more times than I care to count simply for not being on the same side of some issues as others here.

It happens. Eventually, these groups get so wound-up in purity tests and more-liberal-than-thou contests that they end up eating each other alive. Us sane people will be just fine.

Texasgal

(17,056 posts)
26. I used to get emotionally invested here.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:07 PM
Sep 2016

Over the years I decided that all of the riff raff doesn't really matter. If I get annoyed or do not agree I make personal choices. I can sit around and argue or I can do things in real life that matter to me.

I chose the latter.

I do like to come here and read though. Works for me anyway.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
27. Agreed
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:11 PM
Sep 2016

The zero tolerance for any critical discussion/debate of issues by either of the primary candidates has changed the value of this site enormously from what it used to be.

quickesst

(6,286 posts)
30. One of the reasons I don't post much here...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:23 PM
Sep 2016

..... is because there is a good chance you're going to offend somebody, and they're going to say something, then you're going to say something back, and then someone else is going to jump in the middle of it. I just don't have time for the drama. Having said that, I still love Democratic Underground which is a constant and reliable source for news and social commentary by many members here that I like and respect. I may or may not be here for the next go-around, but I hope I am, and you'll find me right here listening and learning...... with an occasional comment, and a grain of salt.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
32. Who were you before?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:31 PM
Sep 2016

one way or anther...

We used to be able to discuss and have opinions.


You still can.

Nowdays it seems like it's my way or the hiway.


Not really true. check the TOS.

I am a Democrat for a reason. We have always been the big tent party.


We still are. Glad you are too.

We could challenge ideals and thoughtfully and respectfully disagree with each other.


See above.

Now it seems like it's spy vs spy on the boards.


What boards? Not seeing it here.

If you do not agree with the OP you are from the dark side.
What OP?

Seems like we are slowly morphing into a lockstep bbs like freeperville.
When did you join DU?

I only got to hang 9 more weeks tI'll election.
We have that amount of time as well.

Don't think I will be here for 2020.
One election at a time.


I know emotions and tension is running high close to election day but when we eat our own what do we have LEFT?


Who, exactly do you speak of when you say/type: when we eat our own what do we have LEFT?



Don't be bummed. Start being a part of the solution.

Not Sure

(735 posts)
34. I feel you.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:37 PM
Sep 2016

I've dropped my participation level to maybe 10% of what it was pre-primary. During the primaries I had to cut back on reading and posting just to avoid so much hate.

Since then I've decided to hold my nose and vote for our candidate, who is in my opinion a poor candidate but one who is infinitely more qualified than the divisive fascist opposing her. But that's pretty much it.

As far as this place is concerned, I find that I get a lot more out of it from a distance. YMMV.

hibbing

(10,123 posts)
35. I guess it depends on how you use it and your expectations
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:38 PM
Sep 2016

I check out the front few pages for news mostly, which is always good and for EarlG's Pic of the Day which has given me so many laughs this year I can't even count. There were also countless stupid alerts imho. I see good discussions quite often. This season with the Bernie and Hillary crowds it certainly got testy. I basically stayed out of those threads, I don't think you could convince others to change sides regardless of what was said by anyone. However, hopefully we will all get out and vote to avoid the perilous tiny handed fascist.

Good luck to you whatever you decide to do.

Peace

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
38. Agreed. Well said.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:46 PM
Sep 2016

I feel it very much too. It's a loss.

Hopefully, after the election, we can go back to the necessary, and often critical analysis that's always been the nature of we Democrats.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
41. I disagree. DU is finally back to being a sane place I can think about recommending to people again.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:21 AM
Sep 2016

I don't mind constructive criticism of Democrats. But if I want destructive criticism of Democrats I can tune in to the garbage in a right wing forum for a few minutes. I don't need that from here.

I think that those who want to post nasty criticism of Democrats would be much better served doing community outreach to try to change the opinions of people and what they want out of their elected leaders. Posting nasty criticisms of Democrats on DU isn't going to get anything done other than perhaps make the poster feel an undeserved sense of self-righteousness.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. +1,000,000!
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:27 AM
Sep 2016

For those who simply MUST get their Hate On, there's always DISCUSSIONIST--they can bash away all the live-long day over there.

I don't understand why people don't avail themselves of that option--it's not like there isn't another user-friendly, easily navigable website with news and discussion in the world. Of course, over at DISCUSSIONIST, those gripes and groans don't stand out like they do here.

I think some people like to be the nail that sticks up, so they can be hammered down, and then they can cry about the "unfairness" of it all.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
43. If you are a person of color, an immigrant, and many
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:25 AM
Sep 2016

Other types of minority, this election is really high stakes for you and maybe you've therefore run our of patience with liberals attacking the democratic nominee.



Glad du has reasserted itself as a website that supports democrats.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
44. DU is just following the trends of discussion online.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 01:14 AM
Sep 2016

Less discussion, more screaming. Less content, more cliches.

And, yeah, that's being very, very, very kind.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
45. I'm spending less time on DU than I used to.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 01:30 AM
Sep 2016

I know there were divisions in 2004 and 2008, but I'm not the only one who feels that this time has been different. It's an open question whether, after the election, DU can return to being as valuable as it once was.

G_j

(40,372 posts)
46. It has been different
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 01:48 AM
Sep 2016

but I am not going to go on about it. DU is more like a shadow of what it was. All one has to do is explore the archives.

StrictlyRockers

(3,861 posts)
52. What's a "hiway"? Is that where you go to say "hi" to everyone? :)
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 04:04 AM
Sep 2016

I want to walk down this hiway you speak of.

 

HerrKarlMarx

(37 posts)
57. You're describing modern politics
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 06:53 AM
Sep 2016

It is not limited to DU or even the Democratic party. Modern politics have devolved into 'you're either with me or against me.'

Look at Republicans and their forums. In their eyes, if you dare criticize Trump, you're a concern troll who wants Hillary Clinton to win.

Apparently reasonable and respectful debate is a thing of the past.

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