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SecularMotion

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Are they carrying -- urm -- *concealed*? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #1
that would make class beergood Aug 2016 #89
Shouldn't they be concealed? Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #2
Normalize the sex culture, just like they normalized the gun culture. Rex Aug 2016 #3
"What is the FPS of a floppy fake penis?" beergood Aug 2016 #59
Ramming speed? Rex Aug 2016 #67
lol beergood Aug 2016 #69
Seems approriate... jmg257 Aug 2016 #4
The fact of the matter is that when it comes to guns a tiny minority of US citizens flamin lib Aug 2016 #5
We listen to other minority groups that are fairly small. Igel Aug 2016 #6
Yes, we do as well we should. That said none of the groups you mention have the undeserved power of flamin lib Aug 2016 #14
Muslims, African-Americans, Hispanics, LGBTQ, Gun Fans. One of these things is not like the others. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2016 #18
+354,950.904 pangaia Aug 2016 #80
don't you mean beergood Aug 2016 #88
whats your opinion beergood Aug 2016 #87
Its amazing that the NRA, with about 5million members, is that powerful. jmg257 Aug 2016 #7
Idolatry is difficult to overcome, regardless of numbers. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #17
But so many oppose the NRA and their ideals, often quite passionately. And with big backers. jmg257 Aug 2016 #21
It's not numbers of voters, it's numbers of $$. flamin lib Aug 2016 #24
That's what I was thinking - with Bloomberg and the number of people getting involved jmg257 Aug 2016 #26
That's why there is a single issue voting meme going on in the movement. flamin lib Aug 2016 #28
Are you calling on people sarisataka Aug 2016 #30
That is crazy, but I am really not surprised. Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #55
Wow, telling people to support republicans Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #54
Politics is not a sport. deathrind Aug 2016 #56
"It's not numbers of voters, it's numbers of $$." beergood Aug 2016 #90
You have to overcome the constitution Abq_Sarah Aug 2016 #57
Or pass enough laws and see what sticks IF they are challenged. nt jmg257 Aug 2016 #72
70% want a searchable database? Searchable by who, the general public? Marengo Aug 2016 #10
Searchable by the ATF and the FBI as well as local police departments (with probable cause flamin lib Aug 2016 #13
I ask as several on DU advocate a database searchable by the general public. Is there polling data.. Marengo Aug 2016 #19
Yeah, but I don't have it at my fingertips. Go ahead and call me a liar so we can get past this flamin lib Aug 2016 #20
Not questioning your honesty in this case as I believe I've read this recently, just wondering... Marengo Aug 2016 #22
There have been a lot of them lately (last two years) so I figure this is like proving the flamin lib Aug 2016 #23
Should be easy to provide a cite in that case, right? Marengo Aug 2016 #25
Yeah, and should be equally easy for you to verify it or not. nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #29
The onus is on the one making the claim, or at least that is the commonly accepted expectation. Marengo Aug 2016 #31
Not if it is common knowledge. The sky is blue. Prove it different. nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #32
LOL! Your aversion to supplying cites, regardless of the ease you claim, is quite interesting. Marengo Aug 2016 #33
And your aversion to recognizing a factual assertion is also interesting, particularly due to the flamin lib Aug 2016 #34
Why don't you post that where debate challenging your assertion is permitted? Marengo Aug 2016 #40
Why not adhere to the SOP of a group you obviously want to post to? nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #48
The SOP you refer to only applies to 'members', it says so in black and white. beevul Aug 2016 #61
Why are you afraid to initiate that discussion outside the safe space where you cannot... Marengo Aug 2016 #65
Why are you baned from a group that you want to post to? nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #70
Why would you link a discussion I can't join in a reply to my post? Seems rather cowardly. Marengo Aug 2016 #71
Post a link in the gungeon and you guys have at it. nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #74
It's not my topic, it's yours. If you are so secure in it, you post it there. Not doing so outside.. Marengo Aug 2016 #76
Not being able to dictate the rules of conversation indicates that you don't have a leg to flamin lib Aug 2016 #78
Needing to dictate the rules of conversation, as you do in GCRA... beevul Aug 2016 #91
I did find a poll saying 53% overall support registering gun owners. Also said jmg257 Aug 2016 #35
I appreciate your diligence and support but I'm sure someone will cite Lott or Kleck to show flamin lib Aug 2016 #36
It is interesting - and a great discussion to have, no doubt. With much at stake. jmg257 Aug 2016 #37
Thanks! Much appreciated and an interesting contrast. Marengo Aug 2016 #38
No worries - I enjoy seeing 'the facts' as much as anybody! nt jmg257 Aug 2016 #39
It's da new standard of edumacashun since da innertubes inflated da whirled. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #42
Using the standards given I'd have to prove that gravity isn't just God pushing things down flamin lib Aug 2016 #43
All of this rather than posting a URL to a poll you cited? Which requires more effort? Very odd. Marengo Aug 2016 #46
See 43. nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #49
A simple cite or URL is all I asked for. Marengo Aug 2016 #68
Marengo, when will you figure out that I won't follow you down the gungeon flamin lib Aug 2016 #73
You made a claim, presumably a reference to a poll, yet refuse to cite or post the url to that poll. Marengo Aug 2016 #75
No, you want to drag the conversation down the gungeon rat hole of flamin lib Aug 2016 #77
Ah, so you have plenty of time to find and post the url to the poll you referenced. Marengo Aug 2016 #79
No, I refuse to give you control of the conversation. I will not play by your rules. nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #81
I'll check back in a day or so. Since you have so much time, I anticipate a link or cite. Unless... Marengo Aug 2016 #82
Ah! I knew it! You finally get around to calling me a liar. Is this a personal call out? nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #83
Post that link or cite and there will be no question. Otherwise, it is an option to consider to... Marengo Aug 2016 #85
And yet Pew Research found that support for the Second was at an all-time high, controls at a low. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #51
Only if phrased as you just did. The same poll included questions about flamin lib Aug 2016 #53
I support UBCs. NO on "AssaultWeapons®" ban. Unworkable. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #86
And apparently, asking for evidence of a claim means one is not a true Democrat. Marengo Aug 2016 #47
No, it means that no reasonable amount of proof will be acceptable so why waste my time? flamin lib Aug 2016 #50
"gravity exists" beergood Aug 2016 #64
You repeatedly refuse to provide ANY proof of your statement, even though you claim... Marengo Aug 2016 #66
Oh, yes. I noted "not really Democrats." Same old, same old. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #52
"The sky is blue. Prove it different." beergood Aug 2016 #62
Maybe you're doing something wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #11
I would like to see a legitimate poll before I take your word for those stats. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #16
Wow, thats some spin right there. beevul Aug 2016 #60
In order to legally carry a firearm on campus S_B_Jackson Aug 2016 #8
And be 21... virginia mountainman Aug 2016 #9
There may be some under the age of 21... S_B_Jackson Aug 2016 #12
Your last line - I'm not sure I want to know. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #15
Thank you Ms. Jin saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #27
This discussion is SEXIST!! Why aren't women toters enjoying the Wrath of K... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #41
Not gonna happen Abq_Sarah Aug 2016 #58
It is good to see sarisataka Aug 2016 #44
One would think that.... Fla_Democrat Aug 2016 #45
i dare beergood Aug 2016 #63
Discussions like this are so fucking weird, what is the point of carrying guns on campus? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #84

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
1. Are they carrying -- urm -- *concealed*?
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:23 PM
Aug 2016

beergood

(470 posts)
89. that would make class
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:17 AM
Aug 2016

alot more interesting, but i doubt anyone would be paying attention to the lecture.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
2. Shouldn't they be concealed?
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:28 PM
Aug 2016

Treated the same way as weapons? Maybe open carry would be a better option, but I am against that.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. Normalize the sex culture, just like they normalized the gun culture.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:29 PM
Aug 2016

Sure why not. So what would be the equivalent of the NRA and how will they 'lobby' Congress? Are their dildo ranges where you toss your dil at moving targets? What is the FPS of a floppy fake penis?

beergood

(470 posts)
59. "What is the FPS of a floppy fake penis?"
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:16 PM
Aug 2016

to answer that question we must first know its material, (ie wood, rubber, plastic) shape, mass, and delivery method, will it be shot from a mechanical device or thrown by a human?

a much easier question is the fps of a real penis attached to its owner? 3.1 miles per hour

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
67. Ramming speed?
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:15 AM
Aug 2016

beergood

(470 posts)
69. lol
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:27 AM
Aug 2016

i would love to respond to you, but i fear it would get me banned. just use your imagination.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
4. Seems approriate...
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:37 PM
Aug 2016



Can never have too many giant dildos strapped to your backpacks!

If that's what you're into.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
5. The fact of the matter is that when it comes to guns a tiny minority of US citizens
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:50 PM
Aug 2016

force their will on the vast majority of the rest of us. Only about 32% of households have guns. Of those 70% or more support simple solutions to gun violence, i.e. universal background checks, a searchable electronic database of guns/owners, a ban on assault weapons and more stringent vetting of gun buyers.

Yet that 30% of 30% represented by the NRA tramples on what the rest of what the US wants and the Constitution supports.

Go figure . . .

Igel

(35,425 posts)
6. We listen to other minority groups that are fairly small.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 09:44 PM
Aug 2016

Muslims constitute far less than 30% of 30% of the population.

African-Americans, slightly more.

GLBTQ, by most standards, far less.

Many feel that these groups "force their will on us," and our response is that minorities have rights and aren't subject to majority domination.

Illegal aliens from Latin American are less than 4% of the population, and we sort of go crazy at times in defending their rights, and even the rights that the US Constitution apparently grants to those who want to immigrate. (Hard to find those in the text, but everybody tells me they're there so there!)

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
14. Yes, we do as well we should. That said none of the groups you mention have the undeserved power of
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:16 PM
Aug 2016

the NRA and a few paranoid gun owners.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
18. Muslims, African-Americans, Hispanics, LGBTQ, Gun Fans. One of these things is not like the others.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:45 PM
Aug 2016

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
80. +354,950.904
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:06 PM
Aug 2016

beergood

(470 posts)
88. don't you mean
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:11 AM
Aug 2016

+525,600

beergood

(470 posts)
87. whats your opinion
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:09 AM
Aug 2016

of muslims, african-americans, hispanics, and lgbtq that carry firearms for self defense? would that not make them gun fans?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
7. Its amazing that the NRA, with about 5million members, is that powerful.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 10:01 PM
Aug 2016

Figure it should be fairly easy to overcome with so many opposed to them.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. Idolatry is difficult to overcome, regardless of numbers.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:23 PM
Aug 2016

"Its amazing that the NRA, with about 5million members, is that powerful."

Not amazing at all. PAC-funded Idolatry is difficult to overcome, regardless of numbers.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
21. But so many oppose the NRA and their ideals, often quite passionately. And with big backers.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 01:06 PM
Aug 2016

Surely a tiny minority, even with idolatry involved, should be easy to overcome.

Just a matter of time maybe?

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
24. It's not numbers of voters, it's numbers of $$.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:05 PM
Aug 2016

And we anti-gun violence people are getting there. Everytown, Moms Demand Action, Americans for Sensible Solutions along with the long established Brady Campaign joined by thousands of local activists are making a dent in the NRA's financial armor. I can tell by the vociferous nature of those who can't hide their hatred of Micheal Bloomberg because he has put up his own money (about 10% of the ILA's annual budget) to combat the NRA's fearsome (and undeserved) reputation.

So, yeah, the gun rights activists need to start looking over their shoulder. Give us the 40 years that the NRA has had since the 1970 coup that overthrew the board of directors and see where we are then.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
26. That's what I was thinking - with Bloomberg and the number of people getting involved
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:17 PM
Aug 2016

and being more vocal, the obvious change with politicians being more outspoken, etc.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
28. That's why there is a single issue voting meme going on in the movement.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:11 PM
Aug 2016

Don't vote party, vote gun violence. That's why Gabby Gifford's has endorsed two Republicans for senate. The two have consistently voted against the NRA and for her that's the most important issue for the short term.

Even if it is for only one or two election cycles, if the NRA's mythological omnipotence can be defeated and shown for being a mile deep and an inch wide it is worth it.

sarisataka

(19,106 posts)
30. Are you calling on people
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:14 PM
Aug 2016

To vote Republican, if they are pro-gun control, over Democrats in order to defeat the NRA?

That allowing Republicans to keep control of the Senate for a cycle or two is worth it?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
55. That is crazy, but I am really not surprised.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:35 PM
Aug 2016
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
54. Wow, telling people to support republicans
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:34 PM
Aug 2016

I am amazed that you are actually for that. I guess the TOS of DU due not matter to you unfortunately.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
56. Politics is not a sport.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:39 PM
Aug 2016

As a Country we really do need to get beyond the your team v. my team mentality when it comes to politics. Voters should not have to affiliate themselves with one party or the other when registering to vote. This is a big reason why people view politics this way.

Politics is not a sport. Elections have very real consequences on people. Who wins the championship game does not (unless of course you bet on the wrong team). If HRC was a republican and trump was a democrat I would have no problem voting for HRC...the sane, logical, intelligent, experienced, human candidate.

beergood

(470 posts)
90. "It's not numbers of voters, it's numbers of $$."
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:38 AM
Aug 2016

Financial donations were also an issue. Bloomberg and Broad donated $350,000 and $250,000, respectively, to support the Senators.[29][29] The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee also spent $250,000 to oppose recall.[30] The NRA spent over $108,000 to support the recall efforts.[30] In total, the Morse and Giron side spent approximately $3,000,000 opposing the recall, while the recall supporters spent about $500,000.[31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_recall_election,_2013

gun control had more money yet they still lost.

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
57. You have to overcome the constitution
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:54 PM
Aug 2016

And that's kind of tough to do legally.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
72. Or pass enough laws and see what sticks IF they are challenged. nt
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:23 AM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
10. 70% want a searchable database? Searchable by who, the general public?
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:07 AM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
13. Searchable by the ATF and the FBI as well as local police departments (with probable cause
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:15 PM
Aug 2016

and a search warrant). As it is simply having a database is illegal because of that tiny paranoid sliver of the US represented by the NRA.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
19. I ask as several on DU advocate a database searchable by the general public. Is there polling data..
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:52 PM
Aug 2016

That suggest public support for the type of database you mention?

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
20. Yeah, but I don't have it at my fingertips. Go ahead and call me a liar so we can get past this
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:54 PM
Aug 2016

thread.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
22. Not questioning your honesty in this case as I believe I've read this recently, just wondering...
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 01:13 PM
Aug 2016

What poll you were referring to.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
23. There have been a lot of them lately (last two years) so I figure this is like proving the
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 01:56 PM
Aug 2016

sky is blue.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
25. Should be easy to provide a cite in that case, right?
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:13 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
29. Yeah, and should be equally easy for you to verify it or not. nt
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:11 PM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
31. The onus is on the one making the claim, or at least that is the commonly accepted expectation.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:19 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
32. Not if it is common knowledge. The sky is blue. Prove it different. nt
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:35 PM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
33. LOL! Your aversion to supplying cites, regardless of the ease you claim, is quite interesting.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:46 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
34. And your aversion to recognizing a factual assertion is also interesting, particularly due to the
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:48 PM
Aug 2016

difficulty of proving otherwise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211411

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
40. Why don't you post that where debate challenging your assertion is permitted?
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:48 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
48. Why not adhere to the SOP of a group you obviously want to post to? nt
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:43 PM
Aug 2016
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
61. The SOP you refer to only applies to 'members', it says so in black and white.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:24 PM
Aug 2016
While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.


I wasn't a 'member' of that group, yet I was blocked for a post which was deleted, the content of which was never seen by any of the group hosts there.

Thanks for allowing me to show everyone how little the SOP in that group actually means, and how selectively and with great imagination you folks interpret it.
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
65. Why are you afraid to initiate that discussion outside the safe space where you cannot...
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:09 AM
Aug 2016

Be challenged?

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
70. Why are you baned from a group that you want to post to? nt
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:23 AM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
71. Why would you link a discussion I can't join in a reply to my post? Seems rather cowardly.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:51 AM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
74. Post a link in the gungeon and you guys have at it. nt
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:25 PM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
76. It's not my topic, it's yours. If you are so secure in it, you post it there. Not doing so outside..
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:33 PM
Aug 2016

The safe space suggests you fear a challenge.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
78. Not being able to dictate the rules of conversation indicates that you don't have a leg to
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:35 PM
Aug 2016

stand on outside the gungeon dogma.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
91. Needing to dictate the rules of conversation, as you do in GCRA...
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 03:22 AM
Aug 2016

indicates that you don't have a leg to stand on outside the GCRA dogma.

We don't censor gun posts based on the viewpoint expressed or the person who holds it, like you do in GCRA, so that's a particularly dull barb to try to throw. Especially when that sort of behavior describes your own situation outside of GCRA better than it does the people whos face you brazenly attempt to throw it in.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
35. I did find a poll saying 53% overall support registering gun owners. Also said
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:01 PM
Aug 2016

40% support registering Muslims and 37% support registering Catholics, so...that was weird.



But then there is this (without details on types of registry)...

http://smartgunlaws.org/polling-on-registration-of-firearms/

Polling on Registration of Firearms
An August 2012 poll found that 76% of respondents favor requiring gun owners to register their guns with local government.1

A January 2011 poll of registered voters found that 66% of respondents favor requiring every gun owner to register his or her firearms as part of a national gun registry.2


And this one had it 64/26...

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/08/10/two-thirds-back-national-gun-registry/

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
36. I appreciate your diligence and support but I'm sure someone will cite Lott or Kleck to show
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:10 PM
Aug 2016

how none of these polls are right.

The discussion is fun but it will never be productive as long as one side demands proof of their own bias.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
37. It is interesting - and a great discussion to have, no doubt. With much at stake.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:15 PM
Aug 2016

A true culture war in the making, as both sides (try to) step up their game.

Beats me how it will all work out.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
38. Thanks! Much appreciated and an interesting contrast.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:26 PM
Aug 2016

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
39. No worries - I enjoy seeing 'the facts' as much as anybody! nt
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:37 PM
Aug 2016
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
42. It's da new standard of edumacashun since da innertubes inflated da whirled.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:54 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
43. Using the standards given I'd have to prove that gravity isn't just God pushing things down
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 05:02 PM
Aug 2016

to the ground. Gravity exists, the sky is blue and too many polls to count show that the vast majority of Americans favor stricter gun laws including the ones I cited.

I don't need to prove the sky is blue or that gravity exists.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
46. All of this rather than posting a URL to a poll you cited? Which requires more effort? Very odd.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 05:32 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
49. See 43. nt
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:43 PM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
68. A simple cite or URL is all I asked for.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:21 AM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
73. Marengo, when will you figure out that I won't follow you down the gungeon
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:24 PM
Aug 2016

worm hole? You keep trying to drag the discussion off topic and I just won't go with you. Get used to it. We did a week's worth of back and fourth over a red herring in another thread and you never wore me down so why do you think this will be any different?

It is an accepted fact that since Dec 14, 2012 the vast majority of Americans favor stricter restrictions on guns. I will not follow you down some red herring rat hole proving that the sky is blue or that rocks will fall to earth because of gravity.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
75. You made a claim, presumably a reference to a poll, yet refuse to cite or post the url to that poll.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:30 PM
Aug 2016

I just find that odd, especially as you claim it's so easy to find.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
77. No, you want to drag the conversation down the gungeon rat hole of
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:34 PM
Aug 2016

'prove this' and from that 'this poll proves another thing' and 'you don't know enough about guns to have a conversation' etc etc etc.

I can keep this up all day, all week, all month. I'm retired. Got nothin' to all day and can take all day to do it.

I refuse to play by your rules. Get over it.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
79. Ah, so you have plenty of time to find and post the url to the poll you referenced.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:52 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
81. No, I refuse to give you control of the conversation. I will not play by your rules. nt
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:14 PM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
82. I'll check back in a day or so. Since you have so much time, I anticipate a link or cite. Unless...
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 03:10 PM
Aug 2016

You're not being truthful about something suppose. We shall see.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
83. Ah! I knew it! You finally get around to calling me a liar. Is this a personal call out? nt
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 03:20 PM
Aug 2016
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
85. Post that link or cite and there will be no question. Otherwise, it is an option to consider to...
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 04:03 PM
Aug 2016

Explain your persistent refusal to observe such a commonly accepted practice.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
51. And yet Pew Research found that support for the Second was at an all-time high, controls at a low.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:58 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
53. Only if phrased as you just did. The same poll included questions about
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:07 PM
Aug 2016

universal background checks, assault weapons bans and other gun restrictions that showed a huge aproval.

So what is it? Gun rights are important as long as we have all these other restrictions? If you want to quote a poll quote all the questions asked.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
86. I support UBCs. NO on "AssaultWeapons®" ban. Unworkable.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 04:14 PM
Aug 2016

I used the most salient impact of the survey: After 3 dcades of an MSM-fueled effort to effect a demonstrably unworkable ban, and after an era of throwing ANY ban against the wall to see what sticks, and after a large, steady decrease in gun homicides, the public seems more supportive of 2A than ever.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
47. And apparently, asking for evidence of a claim means one is not a true Democrat.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:03 PM
Aug 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
50. No, it means that no reasonable amount of proof will be acceptable so why waste my time?
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:46 PM
Aug 2016

I don't need to prove that the sky is blue, that gravity exists or that more polls support reasonable gun restrictions than I have fingers and toes.

beergood

(470 posts)
64. "gravity exists"
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:48 PM
Aug 2016

are you sure about that? Shocking Truth: Gravity Really Does Not Exist.
http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2012/03/shocking-truth-gravity-really-does-not-exist-1895351.html

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
66. You repeatedly refuse to provide ANY proof of your statement, even though you claim...
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:12 AM
Aug 2016

It's easily located. That's not reasonable, that's suspicious.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
52. Oh, yes. I noted "not really Democrats." Same old, same old.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:01 PM
Aug 2016

beergood

(470 posts)
62. "The sky is blue. Prove it different."
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:31 PM
Aug 2016

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. Maybe you're doing something wrong.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:21 AM
Aug 2016

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
16. I would like to see a legitimate poll before I take your word for those stats.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:21 PM
Aug 2016
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
60. Wow, thats some spin right there.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:19 PM
Aug 2016
The fact of the matter is that when it comes to guns a tiny minority of US citizens force their will on the vast majority of the rest of us.


Nobody is forcing you to carry a gun. Nobody is forcing you to like the fact that others are.

The of the two parties involved, only one is actually trying to force others to act a particular way, and that's the anti-gun side.

S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
8. In order to legally carry a firearm on campus
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 10:46 PM
Aug 2016

one must have a valid Concealed Handgun Licence (CHL). Part of the process for this licensing required a demonstration of safe handling and proficiency with a pistol or revolver.

Would it be too much to ask those protesting if they have been certified as to their ability to safely handle and use proficiently their dildos?

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
9. And be 21...
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:59 AM
Aug 2016

That fact is conveniently left out.. Practically all the students protesting, cannot, by law get a CCW permit, because of their age.

S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
12. There may be some under the age of 21...
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:27 AM
Aug 2016

provided that they are have or are serving in the US military either on active duty, reserves , or national guard or have been honorably discharged.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
15. Your last line - I'm not sure I want to know.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:21 PM
Aug 2016

TMI perhaps.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. Thank you Ms. Jin
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 02:25 PM
Aug 2016

This is so humorous on so many levels. I must admit, it's hard to work when word play becomes so much fun.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
41. This discussion is SEXIST!! Why aren't women toters enjoying the Wrath of K...
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 04:52 PM
Aug 2016

Over 20% of gun-owners are women; in Texas I'm sure it's more. But all we see is "schleppin' the salami."

I demand fair play!

No Walk in the Black Forest is seen! No watch spring souffle! No rock or anything else cleffing for anyone! Oh, Lord! these spigots know not what they do!

And don't give me any of this D- grade psycho-babble about PenisEnvy.© That fell out when Leslie Gore's "You Don't Own Me" came in. sheesh.

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
58. Not gonna happen
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:56 PM
Aug 2016

They're fixated on Penises... as if a Penis is a negative (?????).....

Kind of boggles the mind.

sarisataka

(19,106 posts)
44. It is good to see
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 05:15 PM
Aug 2016

College students aware of the issues that affect them. Even better, they actually did something. Rather than sit at their computer and whine on the internet, they got up, planned an activity, publicized it, acquired sponsors, protested and received national attention.

Other activists could take a lesson from this.

Fla_Democrat

(2,547 posts)
45. One would think that....
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 05:18 PM
Aug 2016

with all the job offers pouring in, Ms. Jin wouldn't have time to organize a protest...


On Wednesday, Ms. Jin, a recent graduate who majored in violin, helped distribute brightly colored dildos to hundreds of students gathered to protest the law that took effect Aug. 1.

I guess it would be a resume enhancer....

Meanwhile.. in the HR office......


"So... what have you been doing since you graduated?"

"I organized a protest where I shoved a brightly colored sex toy up my back pack."

"Wonderful, can you start next Tuesday?"

-_-







beergood

(470 posts)
63. i dare
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Aug 2016

you to google those words "I shoved a brightly colored sex toy up my back pack."

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
84. Discussions like this are so fucking weird, what is the point of carrying guns on campus?
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 03:40 PM
Aug 2016

Just went to a campus of a local community college here in St. Louis, (STLCC represent!), and, at the entrance of all buildings are "no firearms" signs.

It is common around here to not be allowed to carry a gun in these places:

Stores(Grocery chains, dollar stores, etc.)

Banks and Credit Unions(seems obvious)

Hospitals and Clinics(again, obvious)

Schools, including Colleges(fucking duh!)

Restaurants(varies by individual restaurant policies, but seen the signs in many of them)

I would say that I probably live in a bubble of urbaness, as it were, being in a relatively high population area, perhaps such signs aren't so common in rural areas of Missouri, in fact I'm sure they aren't, but again, carrying guns doesn't really serve a practical purpose when you are running to get milk at Dierbergs.

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