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[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. Are they carrying -- urm -- *concealed*?

[beergood]

89. that would make class

alot more interesting, but i doubt anyone would be paying attention to the lecture.

[Duckhunter935]

2. Shouldn't they be concealed?

Treated the same way as weapons? Maybe open carry would be a better option, but I am against that.

[Rex]

3. Normalize the sex culture, just like they normalized the gun culture.

Sure why not. So what would be the equivalent of the NRA and how will they 'lobby' Congress? Are their dildo ranges where you toss your dil at moving targets? What is the FPS of a floppy fake penis?

[beergood]

59. "What is the FPS of a floppy fake penis?"

to answer that question we must first know its material, (ie wood, rubber, plastic) shape, mass, and delivery method, will it be shot from a mechanical device or thrown by a human?

a much easier question is the fps of a real penis attached to its owner? 3.1 miles per hour

[Rex]

67. Ramming speed?

[beergood]

69. lol

i would love to respond to you, but i fear it would get me banned. just use your imagination.

[jmg257]

4. Seems approriate...

Can never have too many giant dildos strapped to your backpacks!

If that's what you're into.

[flamin lib]

5. The fact of the matter is that when it comes to guns a tiny minority of US citizens

force their will on the vast majority of the rest of us. Only about 32% of households have guns. Of those 70% or more support simple solutions to gun violence, i.e. universal background checks, a searchable electronic database of guns/owners, a ban on assault weapons and more stringent vetting of gun buyers.

Yet that 30% of 30% represented by the NRA tramples on what the rest of what the US wants and the Constitution supports.

Go figure . . .

[Igel]

6. We listen to other minority groups that are fairly small.

Muslims constitute far less than 30% of 30% of the population.

African-Americans, slightly more.

GLBTQ, by most standards, far less.

Many feel that these groups "force their will on us," and our response is that minorities have rights and aren't subject to majority domination.

Illegal aliens from Latin American are less than 4% of the population, and we sort of go crazy at times in defending their rights, and even the rights that the US Constitution apparently grants to those who want to immigrate. (Hard to find those in the text, but everybody tells me they're there so there!)

[flamin lib]

14. Yes, we do as well we should. That said none of the groups you mention have the undeserved power of

the NRA and a few paranoid gun owners.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

18. Muslims, African-Americans, Hispanics, LGBTQ, Gun Fans. One of these things is not like the others.

[pangaia]

80. +354,950.904

[beergood]

88. don't you mean

+525,600

[beergood]

87. whats your opinion

of muslims, african-americans, hispanics, and lgbtq that carry firearms for self defense? would that not make them gun fans?

[jmg257]

7. Its amazing that the NRA, with about 5million members, is that powerful.

Figure it should be fairly easy to overcome with so many opposed to them.

[LanternWaste]

17. Idolatry is difficult to overcome, regardless of numbers.

"Its amazing that the NRA, with about 5million members, is that powerful."

Not amazing at all. PAC-funded Idolatry is difficult to overcome, regardless of numbers.

[jmg257]

21. But so many oppose the NRA and their ideals, often quite passionately. And with big backers.

Surely a tiny minority, even with idolatry involved, should be easy to overcome.

Just a matter of time maybe?

[flamin lib]

24. It's not numbers of voters, it's numbers of $$.

And we anti-gun violence people are getting there. Everytown, Moms Demand Action, Americans for Sensible Solutions along with the long established Brady Campaign joined by thousands of local activists are making a dent in the NRA's financial armor. I can tell by the vociferous nature of those who can't hide their hatred of Micheal Bloomberg because he has put up his own money (about 10% of the ILA's annual budget) to combat the NRA's fearsome (and undeserved) reputation.

So, yeah, the gun rights activists need to start looking over their shoulder. Give us the 40 years that the NRA has had since the 1970 coup that overthrew the board of directors and see where we are then.

[jmg257]

26. That's what I was thinking - with Bloomberg and the number of people getting involved

and being more vocal, the obvious change with politicians being more outspoken, etc.

[flamin lib]

28. That's why there is a single issue voting meme going on in the movement.

Don't vote party, vote gun violence. That's why Gabby Gifford's has endorsed two Republicans for senate. The two have consistently voted against the NRA and for her that's the most important issue for the short term.

Even if it is for only one or two election cycles, if the NRA's mythological omnipotence can be defeated and shown for being a mile deep and an inch wide it is worth it.

[sarisataka]

30. Are you calling on people

To vote Republican, if they are pro-gun control, over Democrats in order to defeat the NRA?

That allowing Republicans to keep control of the Senate for a cycle or two is worth it?

[Duckhunter935]

55. That is crazy, but I am really not surprised.

[Duckhunter935]

54. Wow, telling people to support republicans

I am amazed that you are actually for that. I guess the TOS of DU due not matter to you unfortunately.

[deathrind]

56. Politics is not a sport.

As a Country we really do need to get beyond the your team v. my team mentality when it comes to politics. Voters should not have to affiliate themselves with one party or the other when registering to vote. This is a big reason why people view politics this way.

Politics is not a sport. Elections have very real consequences on people. Who wins the championship game does not (unless of course you bet on the wrong team). If HRC was a republican and trump was a democrat I would have no problem voting for HRC...the sane, logical, intelligent, experienced, human candidate.

[beergood]

90. "It's not numbers of voters, it's numbers of $$."

Financial donations were also an issue. Bloomberg and Broad donated $350,000 and $250,000, respectively, to support the Senators.[29][29] The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee also spent $250,000 to oppose recall.[30] The NRA spent over $108,000 to support the recall efforts.[30] In total, the Morse and Giron side spent approximately $3,000,000 opposing the recall, while the recall supporters spent about $500,000.[31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_recall_election,_2013

gun control had more money yet they still lost.

[Abq_Sarah]

57. You have to overcome the constitution

And that's kind of tough to do legally.

[jmg257]

72. Or pass enough laws and see what sticks IF they are challenged. nt

[Marengo]

10. 70% want a searchable database? Searchable by who, the general public?

[flamin lib]

13. Searchable by the ATF and the FBI as well as local police departments (with probable cause

and a search warrant). As it is simply having a database is illegal because of that tiny paranoid sliver of the US represented by the NRA.

[Marengo]

19. I ask as several on DU advocate a database searchable by the general public. Is there polling data..

That suggest public support for the type of database you mention?

[flamin lib]

20. Yeah, but I don't have it at my fingertips. Go ahead and call me a liar so we can get past this

thread.

[Marengo]

22. Not questioning your honesty in this case as I believe I've read this recently, just wondering...

What poll you were referring to.

[flamin lib]

23. There have been a lot of them lately (last two years) so I figure this is like proving the

sky is blue.

[Marengo]

25. Should be easy to provide a cite in that case, right?

[flamin lib]

29. Yeah, and should be equally easy for you to verify it or not. nt

[Marengo]

31. The onus is on the one making the claim, or at least that is the commonly accepted expectation.

[flamin lib]

32. Not if it is common knowledge. The sky is blue. Prove it different. nt

[Marengo]

33. LOL! Your aversion to supplying cites, regardless of the ease you claim, is quite interesting.

[flamin lib]

34. And your aversion to recognizing a factual assertion is also interesting, particularly due to the

difficulty of proving otherwise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211411

[Marengo]

40. Why don't you post that where debate challenging your assertion is permitted?

[flamin lib]

48. Why not adhere to the SOP of a group you obviously want to post to? nt

[beevul]

61. The SOP you refer to only applies to 'members', it says so in black and white.

While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.

I wasn't a 'member' of that group, yet I was blocked for a post which was deleted, the content of which was never seen by any of the group hosts there.

Thanks for allowing me to show everyone how little the SOP in that group actually means, and how selectively and with great imagination you folks interpret it.

[Marengo]

65. Why are you afraid to initiate that discussion outside the safe space where you cannot...

Be challenged?

[flamin lib]

70. Why are you baned from a group that you want to post to? nt

[Marengo]

71. Why would you link a discussion I can't join in a reply to my post? Seems rather cowardly.

[flamin lib]

74. Post a link in the gungeon and you guys have at it. nt

[Marengo]

76. It's not my topic, it's yours. If you are so secure in it, you post it there. Not doing so outside..

The safe space suggests you fear a challenge.

[flamin lib]

78. Not being able to dictate the rules of conversation indicates that you don't have a leg to

stand on outside the gungeon dogma.

[beevul]

91. Needing to dictate the rules of conversation, as you do in GCRA...

indicates that you don't have a leg to stand on outside the GCRA dogma.

We don't censor gun posts based on the viewpoint expressed or the person who holds it, like you do in GCRA, so that's a particularly dull barb to try to throw. Especially when that sort of behavior describes your own situation outside of GCRA better than it does the people whos face you brazenly attempt to throw it in.

[jmg257]

35. I did find a poll saying 53% overall support registering gun owners. Also said

40% support registering Muslims and 37% support registering Catholics, so...that was weird.



But then there is this (without details on types of registry)...

http://smartgunlaws.org/polling-on-registration-of-firearms/

Polling on Registration of Firearms
An August 2012 poll found that 76% of respondents favor requiring gun owners to register their guns with local government.1

A January 2011 poll of registered voters found that 66% of respondents favor requiring every gun owner to register his or her firearms as part of a national gun registry.2


And this one had it 64/26...

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/08/10/two-thirds-back-national-gun-registry/

[flamin lib]

36. I appreciate your diligence and support but I'm sure someone will cite Lott or Kleck to show

how none of these polls are right.

The discussion is fun but it will never be productive as long as one side demands proof of their own bias.

[jmg257]

37. It is interesting - and a great discussion to have, no doubt. With much at stake.

A true culture war in the making, as both sides (try to) step up their game.

Beats me how it will all work out.

[Marengo]

38. Thanks! Much appreciated and an interesting contrast.

[jmg257]

39. No worries - I enjoy seeing 'the facts' as much as anybody! nt

[Eleanors38]

42. It's da new standard of edumacashun since da innertubes inflated da whirled.

[flamin lib]

43. Using the standards given I'd have to prove that gravity isn't just God pushing things down

to the ground. Gravity exists, the sky is blue and too many polls to count show that the vast majority of Americans favor stricter gun laws including the ones I cited.

I don't need to prove the sky is blue or that gravity exists.

[Marengo]

46. All of this rather than posting a URL to a poll you cited? Which requires more effort? Very odd.

[flamin lib]

49. See 43. nt

[Marengo]

68. A simple cite or URL is all I asked for.

[flamin lib]

73. Marengo, when will you figure out that I won't follow you down the gungeon

worm hole? You keep trying to drag the discussion off topic and I just won't go with you. Get used to it. We did a week's worth of back and fourth over a red herring in another thread and you never wore me down so why do you think this will be any different?

It is an accepted fact that since Dec 14, 2012 the vast majority of Americans favor stricter restrictions on guns. I will not follow you down some red herring rat hole proving that the sky is blue or that rocks will fall to earth because of gravity.

[Marengo]

75. You made a claim, presumably a reference to a poll, yet refuse to cite or post the url to that poll.

I just find that odd, especially as you claim it's so easy to find.

[flamin lib]

77. No, you want to drag the conversation down the gungeon rat hole of

'prove this' and from that 'this poll proves another thing' and 'you don't know enough about guns to have a conversation' etc etc etc.

I can keep this up all day, all week, all month. I'm retired. Got nothin' to all day and can take all day to do it.

I refuse to play by your rules. Get over it.

[Marengo]

79. Ah, so you have plenty of time to find and post the url to the poll you referenced.

[flamin lib]

81. No, I refuse to give you control of the conversation. I will not play by your rules. nt

[Marengo]

82. I'll check back in a day or so. Since you have so much time, I anticipate a link or cite. Unless...

You're not being truthful about something suppose. We shall see.

[flamin lib]

83. Ah! I knew it! You finally get around to calling me a liar. Is this a personal call out? nt

[Marengo]

85. Post that link or cite and there will be no question. Otherwise, it is an option to consider to...

Explain your persistent refusal to observe such a commonly accepted practice.

[Eleanors38]

51. And yet Pew Research found that support for the Second was at an all-time high, controls at a low.

[flamin lib]

53. Only if phrased as you just did. The same poll included questions about

universal background checks, assault weapons bans and other gun restrictions that showed a huge aproval.

So what is it? Gun rights are important as long as we have all these other restrictions? If you want to quote a poll quote all the questions asked.

[Eleanors38]

86. I support UBCs. NO on "AssaultWeapons®" ban. Unworkable.

I used the most salient impact of the survey: After 3 dcades of an MSM-fueled effort to effect a demonstrably unworkable ban, and after an era of throwing ANY ban against the wall to see what sticks, and after a large, steady decrease in gun homicides, the public seems more supportive of 2A than ever.

[Marengo]

47. And apparently, asking for evidence of a claim means one is not a true Democrat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211411#post6

[flamin lib]

50. No, it means that no reasonable amount of proof will be acceptable so why waste my time?

I don't need to prove that the sky is blue, that gravity exists or that more polls support reasonable gun restrictions than I have fingers and toes.

[beergood]

64. "gravity exists"

are you sure about that? Shocking Truth: Gravity Really Does Not Exist.
http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2012/03/shocking-truth-gravity-really-does-not-exist-1895351.html

[Marengo]

66. You repeatedly refuse to provide ANY proof of your statement, even though you claim...

It's easily located. That's not reasonable, that's suspicious.

[Eleanors38]

52. Oh, yes. I noted "not really Democrats." Same old, same old.

[beergood]

62. "The sky is blue. Prove it different."

Is the Sky Really Blue? Five Surprising Facts About Color
http://www.seeker.com/is-the-sky-really-blue-five-surprising-facts-about-color-1769383078.html?slide=dDrlDq

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. Maybe you're doing something wrong.

[NaturalHigh]

16. I would like to see a legitimate poll before I take your word for those stats.

[beevul]

60. Wow, thats some spin right there.

The fact of the matter is that when it comes to guns a tiny minority of US citizens force their will on the vast majority of the rest of us.

Nobody is forcing you to carry a gun. Nobody is forcing you to like the fact that others are.

The of the two parties involved, only one is actually trying to force others to act a particular way, and that's the anti-gun side.

[S_B_Jackson]

8. In order to legally carry a firearm on campus

one must have a valid Concealed Handgun Licence (CHL). Part of the process for this licensing required a demonstration of safe handling and proficiency with a pistol or revolver.

Would it be too much to ask those protesting if they have been certified as to their ability to safely handle and use proficiently their dildos?

[virginia mountainman]

9. And be 21...

That fact is conveniently left out.. Practically all the students protesting, cannot, by law get a CCW permit, because of their age.

[S_B_Jackson]

12. There may be some under the age of 21...

provided that they are have or are serving in the US military either on active duty, reserves , or national guard or have been honorably discharged.

[NaturalHigh]

15. Your last line - I'm not sure I want to know.

TMI perhaps.

[saidsimplesimon]

27. Thank you Ms. Jin

This is so humorous on so many levels. I must admit, it's hard to work when word play becomes so much fun.

[Eleanors38]

41. This discussion is SEXIST!! Why aren't women toters enjoying the Wrath of K...

Over 20% of gun-owners are women; in Texas I'm sure it's more. But all we see is "schleppin' the salami."

I demand fair play!

No Walk in the Black Forest is seen! No watch spring souffle! No rock or anything else cleffing for anyone! Oh, Lord! these spigots know not what they do!

And don't give me any of this D- grade psycho-babble about PenisEnvy.© That fell out when Leslie Gore's "You Don't Own Me" came in. sheesh.

[Abq_Sarah]

58. Not gonna happen

They're fixated on Penises... as if a Penis is a negative (?????).....

Kind of boggles the mind.

[sarisataka]

44. It is good to see

College students aware of the issues that affect them. Even better, they actually did something. Rather than sit at their computer and whine on the internet, they got up, planned an activity, publicized it, acquired sponsors, protested and received national attention.

Other activists could take a lesson from this.

[Fla_Democrat]

45. One would think that....

with all the job offers pouring in, Ms. Jin wouldn't have time to organize a protest...


On Wednesday, Ms. Jin, a recent graduate who majored in violin, helped distribute brightly colored dildos to hundreds of students gathered to protest the law that took effect Aug. 1.

I guess it would be a resume enhancer....

Meanwhile.. in the HR office......


"So... what have you been doing since you graduated?"

"I organized a protest where I shoved a brightly colored sex toy up my back pack."

"Wonderful, can you start next Tuesday?"

-_-

[beergood]

63. i dare

you to google those words "I shoved a brightly colored sex toy up my back pack."

[Humanist_Activist]

84. Discussions like this are so fucking weird, what is the point of carrying guns on campus?

Just went to a campus of a local community college here in St. Louis, (STLCC represent!), and, at the entrance of all buildings are "no firearms" signs.

It is common around here to not be allowed to carry a gun in these places:

Stores(Grocery chains, dollar stores, etc.)

Banks and Credit Unions(seems obvious)

Hospitals and Clinics(again, obvious)

Schools, including Colleges(fucking duh!)

Restaurants(varies by individual restaurant policies, but seen the signs in many of them)

I would say that I probably live in a bubble of urbaness, as it were, being in a relatively high population area, perhaps such signs aren't so common in rural areas of Missouri, in fact I'm sure they aren't, but again, carrying guns doesn't really serve a practical purpose when you are running to get milk at Dierbergs.