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scscholar

(2,902 posts)
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:50 PM Aug 2016

In A New Bid To Push H-1B Program, Microsoft Manufactures Claim U.S. Students Canít Hack It In Tech

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/05/in-a-new-bid-to-push-h-1b-program-microsoft-manufactures-claim-u-s-students-cant-hack-it-in-tech/

While it is true there's a shortage, the shortage is of people willing to work 80+ hours a week. We've had five developer jobs open for over a year, and not a single applicant was qualified. I know Microsoft doesn't have the same problem.
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In A New Bid To Push H-1B Program, Microsoft Manufactures Claim U.S. Students Canít Hack It In Tech (Original Post) scscholar Aug 2016 OP
Democrats really should have been in the driver's seat on this issue which is inflicting real pain Jake Stern Aug 2016 #1
Someone will condemn you no matter which way you choose pediatricmedic Aug 2016 #4
The Gates giveth and the Gates taketh awayith. Rex Aug 2016 #2
Right-wing xenophobia and H-1B bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #3
Burnout-jobs have somehow become the new normal. DetlefK Aug 2016 #5
The problem is not the qualifications MurrayDelph Aug 2016 #6
^^^^this^^^^ mopinko Aug 2016 #7
I'm a retired Unix/Linux SysAdmin MurrayDelph Aug 2016 #8
omg- do the needful. mopinko Aug 2016 #9

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
1. Democrats really should have been in the driver's seat on this issue which is inflicting real pain
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:38 PM
Aug 2016

on American workers. Maybe Dems are afraid of being accused of xenophobia. Whatever the reason they have ceded the issue to populist Republicans.

pediatricmedic

(397 posts)
4. Someone will condemn you no matter which way you choose
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 02:55 AM
Aug 2016

If you support the H-1B, then you hate unions and American workers. If you are against it, you are a xenophobe and racist. We are our own worst enemies on this issue.

I think the best approach would be to limit the H-1B visas to create the greatest competition to get them. Having smart and brilliant people come to our country is a good thing. Using the visas to threaten American workers and to drive down wages is a bad thing. So the compromise solution would be to keep them but limit the numbers.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Burnout-jobs have somehow become the new normal.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 05:07 AM
Aug 2016

I was at a company-event for a consulting-company where they were trying to recruit people. Pay and benefits sounded really good... except that it was a 55+ hour work-week.

Good luck starting a family with that.

MurrayDelph

(5,263 posts)
6. The problem is not the qualifications
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:16 AM
Aug 2016

It's that the companies don't want to pay what those skills fairly cost. They want to get people with 30 years experience to work double shifts for trainee-level pay.

mopinko

(69,585 posts)
7. ^^^^this^^^^
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:56 AM
Aug 2016

my ex is a computer architect. his company has been keeping the pay scale down for a couple decades by hiring h1b's.

MurrayDelph

(5,263 posts)
8. I'm a retired Unix/Linux SysAdmin
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 05:13 PM
Aug 2016

who was laid off from a multinational corporation six years ago.

Every quarter, knowledgeable US workers were replaced by (theoretical) temps, who were employed by a sub-contracting firm also owned by this multinational corporation.

The expertise of these replacements seemed to be, when something went wrong, to send a email to those of us who were still remaining (even if not in their specific function area), with a request to "please do the needful."

One time, I was on-call and spent several hours in the middle of the night playing "Who's on First," because neither they nor I knew how to restart their application:
them: "Please start the <name-of-App-which-in-this-story-I'll-call-Murray>"
me: "OK. There's no program called Murray on that system, what's the name of the program to start it?"
them: "It's the one that starts Murray"
me: "I got that. What's it called?"
them: "It's the program that starts Murray."
me: "There is no program that references Murray. What's the name of the startup program?"
.
.
.

Eventually, someone came on line, who knew the product well-enough to tell us that, while Murray was the name they referred to the App by, the actual product was called Ralph and started a process called Fred.

Once I successfully ran Ralph and it started a process called Fred, I was able to create a new batch job titled Start_Murray.

I never found work after that company, but unemployment and subsequent retirement is better than working for those jerks again.

mopinko

(69,585 posts)
9. omg- do the needful.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 05:30 PM
Aug 2016

my ex uses that exact saying. shows the penetration of people from india in the tech industry.

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