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Women Marines are all dykes or sluts. So which one are you?
I joined the Marines in the late 1980's. Pre Tailhook, Pre DADT. I joined for many reason, the main being that I wanted to serve my country. My original MOS was intelligence. I wanted to be an interrogator/translator and go to language school in Monterrey. I was told that they had just opened the intel field to women. In boot camp I discovered that I had been lied to and women could not specialize in interrogator translator, as it was considered combat related.
When I arrived at intel school I was called into the TOPs office. The TOP is the highest ranking enlisted member in charge of a unit. He told me Women dont belong in the Marine Corps, they dont belong in intel and I dont want you here". Within about a month I had failed intel school. Now I certainly cant say for sure that I was failed on purpose, but I was never allowed to see the tests I was claimed to have failed. I was once again called into the TOPs office where I was given a list of MOSs suitable for a woman, and told to put them in the order I preferred. The options were admin, supply and cook, and I picked them in that order. A couple of weeks later I was told to pack up and head to Camp Johnson to cook school, because it was the best place for a woman. Now, I actually enjoyed being a cook and was a good one but I would have been damned good at intel.
Now lets talk about sexual harassment. ITs important to note that at that time there was a maximum of 5000 WM' s out of 198,000 Marines. I was greatly outnumbered. I cannot tell you the number of comments I received that were similar to the one at the top, which received on my way into an EClub one night. One Marine that I knew quite well wrote a song ,which he performed at clubs, with the line WM s are nasty Whores as the chorus line.
As part of my job I often had to change out of my mess white top into a clean one. I had a t-shirt underneath and would change the outer jacket. I had to go to the back to a supply closet to do this and sign out the uniform with the SSgt in charge. Mind you he was 3 ranks above me. Most of the time I received comments like Nice tits or great rack. Eventually that was not enough and this SSgt came up from behind and grabbed my chest. I went up the chain of command and complained to the head of the mess hall. He laughed at me and told the other cooks, who then laughed to and threatened me.
Later that same SSgt tried to get into my 1st floor BEQ room by climbing in through my window. Luckily he could not get in, because if he had I may very well have been sexually assaulted like many women in the military have been. Eventually, after another woman complained about his he was punished by being transferred to another unit.
And then there was the time my SSgt, who was in charge of my actual watch, spotted me waiting at the bus stop. He offered me a ride to my boyfriends area. This location I was going to was a good 20 miles away across, deserted portions of the base. We got about halfway there, to the point where we were miles from anything and he pulled over. I was then told to either perform a sexual act, or get out of the van. I got out in the middle of nowhere late at night and started walking.
Once again I went to the Master Gunnery SSgt in charge. He yelled at me for breaking the chain of command despite the fact that the man who did that to me was in that same chain of command. He told me Id better keep my mouth shut or he could end my career. Once again he told the other cooks who were pretty threatening to me.
These were the more egregious incidents. There were plenty of things that people simply though were funny, things like making me take off my gas mask in the gas chamber for twice as long as others, watching me choke and cough and me, knowing that if I lost my bearing I would be looked down upon by all of them. Or the time we were rappelling down a cliff , and the Marines on belay loosened their grip so that I bounced off the rocks, and arrived at the bottom with my face bloodied. Hilarious stuff.
I wont even go into the things that were said when I got my HIV diagnosis while serving, but lets just say I deserved it because I was a WM and therefore a whore or slut, and that it was such great gossip that it made it overseas to my fellow Marines who were in Kuwait for Gulf War 1.
SO I know what its like to be a woman in male dominated system. I know what its like to feel like you have to be twice as good to get half the credit. I know what its like to be critiqued for hair, clothes, voice and makeup rather than for what you do or who you are. I know how a male dominated institution wants to put women in their place, to knock them down, to make them less than. I know how women are often turned into mere caricatures when they try to step into male dominated areas.
I know that what Hillary accomplished yesterday was a big deal. Politics aside, this was a huge step for women. I know that we have a long way to go still. I also know that Hillary is not perfect. I know that she has made mistakes. I know that she doesnt tick every box, for everyone. But maybe, just maybe we should try to look at her through a lens that has not been tainted by sexism. Maybe then we will see that while she is not perfect, she is not a monster. Nor was I a whore or a slut or any of the other things I was called over the years.
I actually posted this a few days ago and then quickly deleted it because I thought I might get backlash for my post.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)thucythucy
(8,086 posts)Thank you for sharing this.
Aristus
(66,462 posts)I can't even imagine what you must have gone through.
I was a tank crewman in the Army. 'A man's job for men', I guess. Tank crewmen are often caricatured as block-headed, booze-swilling gorillas. As a guy who likes Shakespeare, poetry, fine wine, and classical music, I got a lot of guff from the other guys. But nothing even remotely like what you went through.
A while back when the SecDef opened combat MOS's to women, some of these same guys posted the most awful, hateful, disgusting, and misogynistic filth on many of the Facebook pages dedicated to tanks and tankers. I tried to mitigate some of these, and stand up for the women who wanted to serve. I got called 'libtard' and a lot of other nasty things.
I hope things get better for women in the service soon.
The blockheads are just going to have to get used to having a female Commander-In-Chief.
I salute you.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)I was in the military in the 70's - I held my own, probably because I grew up as a military dependent with a slew of brothers. I think too many poeple (DUers included) have NO CLUE what it's like for women in male-dominated fields. They certainly all too often don't give Hillary the credit she deserves for simply being a survivor. And too many DUers scream PRIVILEGE as if being white is all you need to sail through life.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Thank you for taking the time to write and post this
mountain grammy
(26,653 posts)she was 30 and single in 1942, and joined to do her patriotic duty. I don't think it was anything like when you joined, but, honestly I don't know, she never had anything negative to say about it (silence in those days.)She met and married my dad, also a Marine, in 1945, and that ended her career, but my dad remained in the service. No married women allowed back then.Your story is gut wrenching for many of us who grew up in Marine homes. My dad was a 1st Sgt when he died, and he always respected everyone, but I know too many women who served who had the same experiences as you, and it's very discouraging. The American male dominated culture can be so very destructive. That's finally changing, and Hillary's election won't hurt.
Thank you for your service, Marine, and your story.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And welcome to DU!
It's important to hear these stories. I'm glad you shared it with us!
JennyMominFL
(218 posts)I want to make it clear that there were plenty of Male Marines that had my back. There were more who were good than bad. But there were enough bad ones to make it difficult. I am very very proud of my time in the Marines, and had I not become illl, I would probably have stayed in. I also would guess things have changed a lot in 20+ year. But I was starting my time in the Marines when Hillary was early in her own public life, and I feel she probably experienced a lot herself.
When I posted this to facebook, a friend of mine, who joined the Marines also posted her own experience. I have her permission to post. She stated.
"I sort of wish your story was unique, but it's not. I tried reporting a Sargent dropping his pants and trapping me down a hallway at school and was told it was his word against mine. Arriving at camp lejeune, my captain said "I hope you're not a slut like the rest of the WMs around here" and I spent the next 18 months being sexually harassed, abused and almost raped by my SSgt. I will say that a few of the guys in the armory with me had my back. But being told over and over that once you're alone in Saudi, there wouldn't be anyone to stop him...doesn't create a good work environment. I was also armed at all times at work, pistol at my side didn't stop it. Break the glass ceiling. Be more than they "allow". Don't listen when they say you can't because you're a girl and you're only good for one thing. It's beyond time that we stopped putting up with their shit."
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)No need for worry. Most of us are here for you, the few remaining are assholes.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)xo