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Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:38 PM

Charge traitor trump with treason

I just started a petition on the White House petitions site, We the People. Will you sign it? https://wh.gov/iFRsK



Charge Donald Trump with treason for telling a foreign government to commit espionage against the U.S.

Considering the financial ties Donald Trump has with Russia, his candidacy for President is questionable at best. Now with the latest declaration that Russia should spy on the United States, he has gone beyond any doubt into treasonous territory. Charges of treason should be brought forth immediately.

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Response to tikka (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:43 PM

1. US Constitution, Article III, Section 3 defines treason.

And sorry, what Trump did, as horrible as it is, is not treason here in the United States of America.

Here. Read it, please:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Three_of_the_United_States_Constitution

Thank you.

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Response to longship (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:26 AM

7. Gee, he sounds like Tokyo Rose to me (the woman who illustrates your link)

He thinks the other guys are great, and we're weak, and he talks them up and he puts us down. He incites them to spy on us, to hack our systems, to benefit himself. He wants them to interfere in a US election and he exhorts them to so do.

We weren't at war with Israel when Pollard went to jail for violations of the espionage act, for decades.

Sure, most would concede that the technical term "treason" (which can carry the death penalty) only applies in times war, but the behavior in times of peace, with or without strained relations, is appropriately described in popular shorthand as traitorous or treasonous, because he'd be looking at serious consequences were we in fact in conflict. I say the label is accurate in terms of describing his BEHAVIOR, if not the consequences that will accrue from it.

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Response to MADem (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:07 PM

8. So then it is NOT treason.

I might add that the very good reason why treason is defined in the US Constitution is so that such a charge cannot be made casually, like some are doing here.

That is precisely why one should want to be a pedant about the term.

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Response to longship (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:33 PM

10. A lawyer on the View just called his behavior "treasonous."

Now, you can parse away, all the live-long day, about how he wouldn't get "convicted" of treason, but the message he transmits, and that the American people receive, is that his conduct is "treasonous."

It's trending on twitter. So...whatever.

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Response to MADem (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:36 PM

11. On the View?

And Twitter?

I guess that settles it.

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Response to tikka (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:46 PM

2. The admiral said

INCITEMENT.

P.s.
giving aid and COMFORT could be used.

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Response to tikka (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:26 PM

3. Despite the wishes of many here, we're not at war with Russia.

In the more loose 'enemies' definition, despite relations deteriorating with Russia it's not yet at the point that'd either side would outright admit to being enemies. Officially, we're not enemies.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:59 PM

13. I don't think anyone HERE "wishes" for "war with Russia."

We don't like our data hacked and our leaders disrespected by the likes of a two-bit former KGB thug who abandons his kid in East Germany and his wife when she gets a bit long in the tooth, like he's anything to write home about. Putin is a person of low character and it's not surprising that he likes his little puppet, Trump. If it wasn't for that dictator job he had going, Putin couldn't get a job as a doorman--he has a dour personality and an unhelpful demeanor.

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Response to tikka (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:40 PM

4. ...

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Response to napkinz (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:18 AM

5. No he didn't, he asked the Russians to find missing emails which.........

are either on State Department servers, or the private server she used. Either one contains US government property & information. That's the request, to basically steal US property which is ESPIONAGE. That's where the crime is.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:14 AM

6. Enemy not necessary

Yes, and it need not be an enemy. a foreign power is sufficient. Just ask Jonathan Pollard.

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Response to tikka (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:19 PM

9. Asking a nation to release personal emails they would have had to pilferer off a private sever

is treason?

Even though it was stated quite surely that the private server was never even hacked?

Strange.

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Response to tikka (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:58 PM

12. The people seriously calling for treason charges look just as ignorant and foolish as Trump.

Treason is a crime with a well defined definition, this is not even close, it makes you look very silly.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:05 PM

14. That's not really the point. The calls are there to highlight his BEHAVIOR.

The HYPOCRISY of the GOP, with their boasting about their ownership of some imagined "high ground" on national security matters, having a fricken traitor who wants to jump in bed with our largest annoyance by urging him to commit espionage against us at the head of their ticket.

No one believes he's going to be frog marched or anything of that nature. It's symbolic but it points out a very real issue. If I were the NSA, I'd withhold classified material from him, or provide him with some irresistible false information and wait for him to leak it.

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Response to MADem (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:10 PM

16. +1000

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Response to tikka (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:43 PM

15. "Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!"

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