May be the only one - but still calling Bullshit on Speechgate !!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Ms. McIver
“Over the phone,” Ms. Trump “read me some passages from Mrs. Obama’s speech as examples. I wrote them down and later included some of the phrasing in the draft that ultimately became the final speech. I did not check Mrs. Obama’s speeches. This was my mistake and I feel terrible for the chaos I have caused Melania and the Trumps as well as to Mrs. Obama. No harm was meant.”


This is bullshit.

1. Melania read the quotes (assume verbatim)

2. Meredith wrote them down (assume verbatim unless she multi-tasked and edited as she wrote them down - #unlikely)

3. Meredith then takes the notes of Michelle's words (which she DIDN'T notate/remember were Michelle's?) and changes the wording slightly? [FONT COLOR=RED]On edit: SHE HAD TO TAKE "BARACK AND I" OUT AND REPLACE WITH "MY PARENTS" [FONT COLOR=BLACK]

4. The only way this could be a true mistake is if the passages came in verbatim. The fact that they were changed implies guilt.

5. "I did not check Ms Obama's speeches"....What??? If you didn't know/remember you were including them, why would you need to even check?

And, it is highly unlikely that a co-author/contributor (probably the lead author given Trump is practically illiterate) of most of Trump's books would be this careless.

She's taking the fall, so obvious

[NBachers]

1. It wraps it up so perfectly with a nice tight bow on top, doesn't it? "OK, that's the end of that."

But if you open up the package, it's filled with bull manure.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. YES ! It's amazing to me that the press is letting this die. And, the

fact that she lied about getting a degree from college (still on her website) IS news !! No one's picking up on that - wonder why. Some think Trump behind that to make her look smarter.

[liberal N proud]

2. She is the fall guy/girl

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. But for whom?? Melania? Or someone trying to make it all fail? then there's the

rickroll.

[liberal N proud]

10. Take heat of Melania

[lapucelle]

3. Trump said that she has been with his organization a long time.

Is there any evidence or record of her employment because on Morning Joe she was identified as a ballerina friend of Melania who was an English major in college.

[femmocrat]

6. Yes, now she is a 65-year old ghost writer.

The story keeps changing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. I read employed since 2001. Really don't understand why NYT stressed the

ballerina/English major background. She co-authored/contributed to most of his books. Translation - she wrote them all.

[femmocrat]

4. It reminds me of the VEEP episode about having to find a scapegoat for a data breech.

First they fire an innocent young woman, then higher-up staffers. I think the trump organization is a lot like the Selina Meyer administration!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. I need to watch that show again. Saw it once and wasn't impressed. But it

keeps on winning. Is that what it's about? Kind of like Colbert acting like a conservative? All I remember is gratuitous f'wording. (And I am not a prude - just have to use at the right time).

[femmocrat]

16. It's the funniest show on TV, IMO.

It is about a crazy ensemble of characters in the WH who keep screwing up everything they do or attempt. Yes, lots and lots of F-words and other inappropriate language, however. It is on hiatus right now. It is on HBO.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. thanks f. will try again. I was born with an abnormally high

threshold for funny I would rather have a root canal than to watch a sitcom. do laugh at bill maher, Shameless, old seinfeld, and not much else pops to mind maybe some comedians.

[obamanut2012]

39. I love that show so much

[Skittles]

9. my guess is Ms. McIvor will be getting SERIOUS favor$ for this

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Guess she is not like the other "co-author" journalist Tony Schwartz

who was just on ranting about how he wrote the whole damn thing.

[Wednesdays]

11. The fact that it took nearly 48 hours

to come up with a fall guy, coupled with the discrepancies in chronology, by themselves expose the story as pure b.s.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. It is another example of how we see things so much more clearly than

the press. They all should be DUers. I am amazed at all the times I watch people on TV and know more than they do - only because of DU.

[malaise]

15. Yep Don the Con and his family stole Michelle Obama's speech

Who is she?????? Is she John Barron(ess)???

I think they are fugging lyin' lazy lightweights

[Generic Other]

17. Bolognia is a twit

I once looked through her Twitter account. Every day what tidbits of food she allowed herself to eat, what expensive new heels she was going to wear, and which lavish house she would be in.

The idea she gave a speech is a farce. She was paraded like a trophy in front of the geezers and Fox Newshounds who could stay up past "Wheel of Fortune" to watch her.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Ivanka (barf) was just on TV - talking about how much she loves and

admires Melania. And, how proud she is of her.

Still can't believe the press if NOT covering the lie about her degree

[Squinch]

18. Has this McIver person even been proven to exist yet? That seemed to be a question earlier.

Melania did it. It's her fault, for exactly the reasons you state.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. You know, that's an interesting point ! if you google her - only two pics and

one WAS NOT there yesterday - of her and Trump. that's kind of interesting.

How can a co-author/contributor of so many best selling books be so incognito ?

[DonRedwood]

27. The picture with trump is photoshopped....another website

had the original picture. She is standing with another woman in the original. If you look behind Donald there is a long wisp of hair coming off the right side of his head--lol...that is actually the hair of the woman who they cut out.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. I completely agree that the proffered story is pure bullshit.

It was intentional plagiarism and Trump knew it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. kind of deviously clever the way they made it very fuzzy as to who was at fault

McIver or Melania. Spreading the blame - through confusing language - good ploy. Also, involving a Trump org person, vs. campaign very clever too - takes heat off Manafort. If these people survive they will be the new Karl Roves of 2017 !

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. Latest twist - from Manafort !!

Paul Manafort said on Thursday that no one in the Trump campaign knew that Trump Organization staff writer Meredith McIver “was even involved” in writing Melania Trump’s plagiarized convention speech.

“Look, none of us knew that Ms. McIntyre was even involved in the process,” the Trump campaign chairman said at a press conference from Cleveland, bungling McIver's name. “I asked Melania Trump what the story was about. She insisted and I believe her that these were her words, and the statement that Ms. [McIver] gave yesterday is consistent with that.”

Manafort’s statements are the latest developments in the plagiarism uproar that has dogged the Trump campaign since Melania spoke Monday.

After the campaign repeatedly denied that the nominee’s wife had lifted portions of Michelle Obama’s 2008 convention speech without attribution -- Manafort dismissed the allegations as "crazy" on national TV -- McIver said on Wednesday that she was responsible for the lifting the words.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/melania-trump-speech-paul-manafort-225946#ixzz4F3tEMyjW
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[DonRedwood]

28. Ouch...so the campaign manager just said the campaign had no idea Ms McIntyre was helping

So when trump goes to court over using mcintyre to work--not as part of the campaign (as the campaign manager just admitted in public) but as a trump employee--they can't say she was working for the campaign as a volunteer.

[KelleyKramer]

41. And that is also VERY illegal

You can't have a corporation or any of its employees work directly on a campaign

That's a big time no no

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Cool - so is there a way to report this to the FEC?

[cwydro]

24. I agree with you.

I can't believe the crap he gets away with.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. horrible flashbacks to Dimson and Cheney.

[cwydro]

30. I think "dimson" is the best name I've ever seen for him.

I don't like all the name bastardizations here in general.

But that one works.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. yes, always loved it too and fun to dig it up from the grave. I agree on the

name bastardizations too. Sometime I am too dense to translate.

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. McIver is supposedly a writer, but comes up with a

Completely incomprehensible excuse for what happened.

What sort of excuses will we get from them
After they launch nuclear missiles?

[NeverDump]

29. The speechwriter does not exist

http://www.everipedia.com/meredith-mciver/


Lists friends as

Donald Trump
Melania Trump
John Barron
John Miller


John Barron and John Miller were the aliases that Cheeto Jesus used when he impersonated his own publicist!

[eissa]

31. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT

This is why this story can't die. Not because Melania is an empty shell, but because the republican nominee for POTUS has a history of creating fake people, and this "McIver" appears to be one of them. There is a serious pattern here of instability, and he needs to answer for it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. RIGHT E ! And it's far worse than the conventional wisdom reason - that

he doesn't have a good campaign organization. He is creepily scary. And not even like the war monger - fake a war Bush/Cheney scary - like demented scary

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. Ok, Snopes says she's real - but odd stuff, very odd stuff indeed

http://www.snopes.com/meredith-mciver-exists/

[Delmette]

32. We have heard three explinations.

Only one is true, so the Trump Campaign has lied twice on this issue. Holy crap on a cracker!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. omg ROFLMAO - never heard that one "holy crap on a cracker" ! Bravo !

[Delmette]

38. Cool

I heard it on The Big Bang Theory. I never thought I would have a chance to use it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. LOL.....Great timing D !

[yardwork]

44. And that makes me angry, because of the double standard.

Trump's supporters holler about other people lying while they are in complete denial about TrumpCo's lies.

[Delmette]

45. If it helps....

I read somewhere on DU that a complaint has been filed with the FEC about using an employee for campaign work. It could result in multiple charges.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

42. K&R