Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:51 AM

auntpurl (4,311 posts)

OH MY GOD let's get several things straight about Brexit

1. This vote was NOT called because of dissatisfaction with the EU. This vote was called because Cameron thought he could shut up the internal squabbles in the Tory party by shoving a strong Remain result down the RW's throat. He failed. He will be forever remembered as the PM who presided over both the breakdown of the EU and the breakdown of the UK. You wouldn't think his political career could have had a lower moment than fucking a pig, but here we are.

2. This result was NOT caused by dissatisfaction with "neoliberalism" whatever the hell THAT is supposed to mean in this context. All the austerity measures have come under the conservative government, and the complete decimation of UK manufacturing and blue collar jobs happened under Thatcherism (another Conservative). They very successfully blamed the EU for it with the help of the media.

3. This result was NOT supported by the Left or anyone else interested in economic justice. This result was supported by xenophobes who were worked into a hysterical frenzy by the media constantly blaming the EU for every single thing that went wrong in the UK, and that has been going on since the EU's inception.

4. This result was STRONGLY OPPOSED by the young, (as most people have noticed) AND by the educated (as fewer people are talking about).

5. If you are a progressive, there is no conscionable way to support this result. If you are concerned about the environment, human rights, and diversity, there is no conscionable way to support this result.

6. The poor and uneducated, who overwhelmingly voted to Leave, will suffer the most under this result. The educated with means (who overwhelmingly voted to Remain) will, ironically, be the ones who can get away from what is going to be years of shit. There will be massive brain drain and investment drain.

7. All you who in some bizarro reality think that the UK is going to be better off are crazy. Sources at Morgan Stanley are already telling the BBC they're moving 2000 London-based investment banking staff to Dublin or Frankfort. Oh, that's a good thing because "banksters" are EVIL? These are people's JOBS. Financial services is one of the largest employers in Britain.

8. If you are in favour of this result, you side with Trump, Putin, Le Pen, and Nigel Fucking Farage.

9. The Leave campaign has ALREADY admitted they lied about their promises. No more money is going to the NHS. There will be no significant decrease in immigration. Johnson has admitted he has no plan for EU exit.

If all of the above is ok with you, well, then, we have very little in common.

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OH MY GOD let's get several things straight about Brexit (Original post)	auntpurl	Jun 2016	OP
"Thatcherism" was UK's Reaganomics	FreakinDJ	Jun 2016	#1
Yes - they were best pals and influenced each other a lot	LeftishBrit	Jun 2016	#252
A sovereign nation may be better able to defeat Reaganism/Thatcherism nt	The Far Left	Jun 2016	#279
+1, Trump and Putin supported Brexit ... Obama was against it, bout all I need to know to about it..	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#2
Where is the quote Putin weighed in on this at all?	davidn3600	Jun 2016	#8
link inside	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#15
That's his reaction to it	davidn3600	Jun 2016	#44
That was his position from the start, not just his reaction	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#49
boris the spider	bora13	Jun 2016	#169
I can't disagree with Putin.	840high	Jun 2016	#222
You are correct. In fact he implied recently that it was not a good thing	newthinking	Jun 2016	#226
That isn't what your article says.	ronnie624	Jun 2016	#66
Red Herring, my point is he supported it no matter how much he weighed in on it... I think I made	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#68
What is clear, is that your assertion is false. n/t	ronnie624	Jun 2016	#71
Geez, what is your issue with Putin? I've only read about a gazillion articles regarding Putin's	Native	Jun 2016	#93
+1	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#124
It comes from the same place that the "Putin said he wants the USSR back" came from	newthinking	Jun 2016	#228
This is false on its face, His comment wasn't made BECAUSE of the leave vote his thinking was...	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#106
Ideally,	ronnie624	Jun 2016	#157
Even 3 days ago he was keeping his opinion to himself.	OnlinePoker	Jun 2016	#114
Yeap, his opinion was he supported it IE his "weak nation" phrase	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#119
Obama is for the TPP, Trump is against it. end of line n/t	PatrynXX	Jun 2016	#110
That's even more of a reason to take a second look at the TPP too, I'm not anti trade I'm anti	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#116
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#202
Since TPP written by corportations, I'm sure just fine.	George Eliot	Jun 2016	#267
So its 100% written by corps or were they allowed to weigh in? I'm not anti corporation either, ...	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#268
Perhaps I'm wrong but these are my sources.	George Eliot	Jun 2016	#281
I'd like hard proof that it was 100% written by corps not conjecture, again... I'm not anti ....	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#282
It's a sad commentary on our times, isn't it?	forest444	Jun 2016	#129
+1	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jun 2016	#172
Right	GulfCoast66	Jun 2016	#198
I've seen nothing to suggest that Merkel was trying to get other nations to emulate Germany's labor	w4rma	Jun 2016	#223
So you actually didn't read about this at all.	runaway hero	Jun 2016	#237
Thank you. An excellent summary.	Koinos	Jun 2016	#3
As an American	anoNY42	Jun 2016	#4
But that's two different issues ...	Whiskeytide	Jun 2016	#167
I am a Californian	The Green Manalishi	Jun 2016	#265
Nicely stated! No American progressive or any other educated human should support Brexit.	LonePirate	Jun 2016	#5
Says you	RelativelyJones	Jun 2016	#33
There is very little that is progressive	BlueMTexpat	Jun 2016	#72
It would seem ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2016	#89
Too true.	BlueMTexpat	Jun 2016	#91
+1, OP worthy	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#120
Yup	wryter2000	Jun 2016	#180
Really?	RelativelyJones	Jun 2016	#131
LOL - buh-bye! eom	BlueMTexpat	Jun 2016	#142
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "McKinseyeqse (sic)"? n/t	xocet	Jun 2016	#168
Bob & Doug?	bigbrother05	Jun 2016	#192
Start with the trade unions' position on how the EU gives workers protection:	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2016	#190
Then you don't know or understand Britain	PaulaFarrell	Jun 2016	#275
Imposing views is all well and fine.	Igel	Jun 2016	#65
Good point except English haven't had an indigenous population since the 300's.	haele	Jun 2016	#112
But they have formed a unique cukture	elljay	Jun 2016	#161
Again, the problem is that there is not really an "English Culture" any more than the "US" culture.	haele	Jun 2016	#210
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#244
Actually, I do know what I'm talking about. I saw the breakdown of the Brexit vote.	haele	Jun 2016	#246
Thank you for your time in helping us to	libdem4life	Jun 2016	#261
Well, the people SHOULD have a right to vote on it, whether we like the outcome or not	7962	Jun 2016	#165
For folks disillusioned with Global Capitalism's un-democratic domination, Brexit is hitting back	nikto	Jun 2016	#262
More related material.	proverbialwisdom	Jun 2016	#271
Thanks!	nikto	Jun 2016	#272
This is worth learning about. I appreciate your hefty compilation of material, thank you! (nt)	proverbialwisdom	Jun 2016	#273
Excellent summary!	Kelvin Mace	Jun 2016	#6
LOL!!	truebrit71	Jun 2016	#209
Sing it, sister!	Denzil_DC	Jun 2016	#7
that's the sad part	NewJeffCT	Jun 2016	#37
Yup. And immigrants. n/t	Denzil_DC	Jun 2016	#40
If it would only be 52% that would speak highly of them as humans	The Green Manalishi	Jun 2016	#280
Great post auntpurl!	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2016	#9
I can't believe some of what I'm reading here.	greatauntoftriplets	Jun 2016	#10
A big, fat K&R!	CaliforniaPeggy	Jun 2016	#11
PM Cameron fucked a pig. Really?	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#12
I never called anyone ignorant, and I never said they were supporting Trump.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#31
Perhaps you should re-read your post!	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#88
He is correct for all I have seen and read.	Jim Beard	Jun 2016	#269
Trump supports Brexit. Those who support Brexit side with Trump Logic 101!	leftofcool	Jun 2016	#83
No..that is an informal fallacy.	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#90
Siding with Trump =/= Trump supporter.	Dr Hobbitstein	Jun 2016	#218
Thank you for this op	La Lioness Priyanka	Jun 2016	#13
Thank you. DUers cheering this crap on are perplexing,to	sufrommich	Jun 2016	#14
I'm trying to think of the number of fucks Americans really care about this	snooper2	Jun 2016	#16
Sure, sure. Dow's down by 500, I'm sure it'll be fine.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#22
As of now it's down 366. nt	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2016	#41
And was up substantially yesterday on the assumption that Remain would triumph	FBaggins	Jun 2016	#69
One would think the British Isles are being towed to the middle of The Pond and readied for sinking.	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2016	#174
Enough people here seemingly care enough about it...	Spider Jerusalem	Jun 2016	#30
Two Words, snoooper2: Unintended Consequences	Native	Jun 2016	#98
Yep. ExPat daughter and British husband have cancelled plans	vanlassie	Jun 2016	#173
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	Jun 2016	#17
Great points!	texstad79	Jun 2016	#18
72.2% voter turnout. That's very high. No UK General Election has had such high turnout since	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2016	#42
Nice analysis. You're right, of course. No one is better off because of Brexit.	PatrickforO	Jun 2016	#19
But many perceive that they will be better off.	Igel	Jun 2016	#76
+1. Thanks for stating what should be obvious.	KPN	Jun 2016	#148
I so agree with that.	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jun 2016	#176
Thank you for the clarification. nt	fleabiscuit	Jun 2016	#20
Did you know the Labour party was Eurosceptic party	kcjohn1	Jun 2016	#21
Agreed but there is Identity to consider	flamingdem	Jun 2016	#23
Just like here	wryter2000	Jun 2016	#24
It's not just about well informed	Craig234	Jun 2016	#39
The differences between being misinformed and ignorant sometimes seem subtle but	nolabels	Jun 2016	#147
true or maybe they really are willing	treestar	Jun 2016	#150
Excellent summary of key aspects of Brexit -- and future is grim ... some speculation	cloudythescribbler	Jun 2016	#25
Re, your #3, it would be awesome if we had an opposition party to speak of.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#47
Well then, why don't you have an effective Labour Party?	KPN	Jun 2016	#175
Probably exactly because of the kinds of arguments you're making in your post.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#178
I'm not sure I see how the left is eating its own ...	KPN	Jun 2016	#186
In the short term	NewJeffCT	Jun 2016	#50
Alas, it's hard to picture voters who are likely to vote for Trump paying	SheilaT	Jun 2016	#73
NeoLiberalism is promising human unity by screwing the workers everywhere equally.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2016	#26
There are more workers then screwers but workers will never be strong enough fragmented	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#51
Um yeah....fragmented working class is not a good thing	Armstead	Jun 2016	#77
K&R! Because I feel you auntpurl, loud and clear.	apnu	Jun 2016	#27
Amen	frazzled	Jun 2016	#28
I agree with every word you've posted. The number of	sufrommich	Jun 2016	#35
+1, some folk aren't as progressive as they think they are... humility is a good thing +1	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#52
As I wrote earlier ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2016	#99
SO true... that's about what surrounds the nihilist... themselves	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#101
Great post. nt	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#140
+1	Dr Hobbitstein	Jun 2016	#216
So agree with all you said. I am tired of the angry populism too.	AgadorSparticus	Jun 2016	#278
Thank you for your explanation	lovemydog	Jun 2016	#29
Trump laid a big fat turd by going to Scotland and crowing about the results.	yellowcanine	Jun 2016	#32
Classic example of an ignoramus.	SheilaT	Jun 2016	#75
Amazing.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#138
Just to add re point #1	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#34
A spat between two Eton schoolboys has just cost the UK 10% of its value overnight nt	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#57
Absolutely n/t	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#62
could be worse. A bunch of squabbling cousins caused World War I	philosslayer	Jun 2016	#255
Great post at clarifying the issues.	Craig234	Jun 2016	#36
This is an outstanding post! Thank you very much!	NurseJackie	Jun 2016	#38
wow that graphic	treestar	Jun 2016	#43
Excellent summary!	Mandos the Judge	Jun 2016	#45
Yes	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#53
Cornwall voted to Leave and now wants to make sure their EU subsidies will be provided	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#55
That's right up there with	SheilaT	Jun 2016	#78
That's hilarious.	Meldread	Jun 2016	#81
EU should pull these first, unfortinaly these pulls wont happen for another two years	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#107
Oh brother...	calimary	Jun 2016	#155
Yeah, no, I'm sure it's fine.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#158
Let them eat Sovereignty!	The_Editor	Jun 2016	#183
Complete and utter morons.	Odin2005	Jun 2016	#220
As you say, it is particularly sad when	BlueMTexpat	Jun 2016	#80
Reccing with the force of a thousand atom smashers.	forjusticethunders	Jun 2016	#46
Comprehensive, point by point exposition of this disastrous referendum result.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#48
You are absolutely right on	OBrien	Jun 2016	#54
Thank you	whatthehey	Jun 2016	#56
Great post.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#145
Thank you.	DetlefK	Jun 2016	#58
If there's anything humans are good at, it's cutting off their nose to spite their face.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2016	#59
Thank you!	betsuni	Jun 2016	#60
Beautifully done! It's sad, of course, but you've really explained this perfectly	Bucky	Jun 2016	#61
K&R	Solly Mack	Jun 2016	#63
Good OP. Thanks.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#64
this was my basic impression-- thanks for writing it up nicely!	Fast Walker 52	Jun 2016	#67
Thank you, auntpurl!	BlueMTexpat	Jun 2016	#70
But he EU began as a trading union	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jun 2016	#121
For real information about the EU, try its own	BlueMTexpat	Jun 2016	#137
I think there's a good chance that	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jun 2016	#149
We do concur on that	BlueMTexpat	Jun 2016	#153
Yes.	TexasMommaWithAHat	Jun 2016	#170
Excellent post!	herding cats	Jun 2016	#74
Thanks. I am tried of seeing BREXIT hailed as a win for progressives.	Agnosticsherbet	Jun 2016	#79
I know	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#86
K & R n/t	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#82
Thank you for this information.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jun 2016	#84
Trump is happy about the vote. That's all I need to know. n/t	TonyPDX	Jun 2016	#85
He's happy because he thinks the weaker pound means	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jun 2016	#123
+100000000 I am horrified at the pro-Brexit crowd here.	Meldread	Jun 2016	#87
So glad you decided not to take a break from DU after all, auntpurl - people need to be educated.	Native	Jun 2016	#92
There's always spin in the aftermath of an unexpected vote result -	FBaggins	Jun 2016	#94
Great post!	Cali_Democrat	Jun 2016	#95
outstanding post - I may be over-generalizing here but	NoMoreRepugs	Jun 2016	#96
THE best explanation of it all that I've seen yet -- thank you! Hope you don't mind if I	ancianita	Jun 2016	#97
Quote away.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#102
Preach it sister!	stevenleser	Jun 2016	#100
Good job-- opposition was entirely emotional...	TreasonousBastard	Jun 2016	#103
I have a question:	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jun 2016	#104
Yes, it is possible.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#113
Thanks! It's good to know there might be a way out.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jun 2016	#122
Maybe.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#128
It's vanishingly unlikely to happen,	Denzil_DC	Jun 2016	#133
Thank you for that clarification.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#151
I think I was among the hordes that hit Google HARD in the last 48 hours!	Denzil_DC	Jun 2016	#154
Thank you for this thread.(eom)	CanSocDem	Jun 2016	#136
Damned if you do, dawned if you don't...	ymetca	Jun 2016	#195
simply, Parliament.	Ironing Man	Jun 2016	#146
The fringe or far left rarely attacks the right, instead they attack the left. nt	BootinUp	Jun 2016	#105
+1	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#109
That's where their bread is buttered.	joshcryer	Jun 2016	#230
If I'm Pro Environment now I'm right wing??	PatrynXX	Jun 2016	#108
The average Leave voter has literally never heard of the TPP.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#118
I believe you.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jun 2016	#126
I don't think anyone thinks exit will be good for the environment	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2016	#197
Pro-environment voters supported Remaining in EU by a huge margin.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#242
Kick!	JohnnyRingo	Jun 2016	#111
There is a certain DU contingent for whom charges of "neoliberalism" are the knee-jerk response...	Nitram	Jun 2016	#115
the OP author admits they don't know what neoliberalism means in this context	nashville_brook	Jun 2016	#260
Thank you for this!	liberalmuse	Jun 2016	#117
I just have to say ITER Energy ---------------what happens to Britain in this partership	turbinetree	Jun 2016	#125
Conservatives fuck up the economy and safety net with austerity and neoliberal market policies	killbotfactory	Jun 2016	#127
Yes, it's a real head scratcher.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#130
Do you have anything in place that will nullify this since the framers of this	Loki	Jun 2016	#135
See the subthread above with the Credit Suisse infographic	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#152
Its what the fuck they do	Cosmocat	Jun 2016	#194
K&R	ismnotwasm	Jun 2016	#132
Most awesome rant ever!	radical noodle	Jun 2016	#134
Well said	underpants	Jun 2016	#139
K&R	BumRushDaShow	Jun 2016	#141
Outstanding summary. This needs to be pushed in the mass media.	DrBulldog	Jun 2016	#143
Don't bring facts and math into this! nt	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#144
10. The people feel disconnected from wealth and knowledge. They want something to blame.	Festivito	Jun 2016	#156
We'll see what will come soon.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#159
Wasn't the Brexit vote that exactly?	KPN	Jun 2016	#191
Yes. My point.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#193
Ah, yes, my bad.	KPN	Jun 2016	#200
We don't, but should. eom	Festivito	Jun 2016	#207
Yup. We here in the USA are heading down the same path.	KPN	Jun 2016	#177
Exactly. eom	Festivito	Jun 2016	#208
Thanks for this. Great graphic, too - really makes it clear. nt	cyberswede	Jun 2016	#160
Excellent post, excellent analysis, excellent information.	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2016	#162
thank you for that excellent summary. will be handy when I have to explain this to	niyad	Jun 2016	#163
OUTSTANDING!	NastyRiffraff	Jun 2016	#164
Thank you for this post, auntpurl.	brer cat	Jun 2016	#166
Thank you Rupert Murdoch, you have almost completely	Jim Beard	Jun 2016	#171
K & R - because this thread deserves max visibility n/t	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#179
We took all of our money out of the stock market.	liberalnarb	Jun 2016	#181
You are NOT in tune with my reality.	fasttense	Jun 2016	#182
Thank you!	KPN	Jun 2016	#189
"But not all of us disagree with the fascists!"	joshcryer	Jun 2016	#231
After watching the world markets drop like a rock I finally had a stiff drink and went to bed	Hekate	Jun 2016	#184
thank you	RazBerryBeret	Jun 2016	#185
Great post!	dsharp88	Jun 2016	#187
Big kick!	mcar	Jun 2016	#188
Sounds to me like just more neoliberal thinking. The stuff that has gotten us	KPN	Jun 2016	#196
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#199
Disagree with point three - at least some socialist thinkers on the left favored leaving	hueymahl	Jun 2016	#201
AUNTPURL FOR PM !!!!!	GusBob	Jun 2016	#203
I'm not even allowed to vote.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#204
Very nice OP	lillypaddle	Jun 2016	#205
Absolutely spot on.	truebrit71	Jun 2016	#206
You can't disappear "neoliberalism" under the label "conservative".	arendt	Jun 2016	#211
...ok.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#212
Meaning what? Agree? Don't give a shit? What? n/t	arendt	Jun 2016	#213
Some can't accept the word "liberal" being associated with anything bad. They just	Skeeter Barnes	Jun 2016	#227
This fight was pretty much Tory-on-Tory. Corbyn was "remain". But it really was about neoliberalism.	arendt	Jun 2016	#221
Calling everything neoliberalism is scare mongering.	joshcryer	Jun 2016	#234
Neoliberal skellingtons under your bed!	NuclearDem	Jun 2016	#238
You must be joking. This is an ignorant, juvenille comment. n/t	arendt	Jun 2016	#239
mighty pretty words auntpurl	saidsimplesimon	Jun 2016	#214
"May you live in interesting times" - Chinese curse	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#215
71% of "leave" voters hate the internet???	Odin2005	Jun 2016	#217
No. You have not read it clearly. You misunderstand the presentation. Read it again. nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2016	#283
Google reported that searches for "what is the EU" spiked AFTER the vote	nadine_mn	Jun 2016	#219
Neo-liberalism is right wing	BlindTiresias	Jun 2016	#224
Yes and the EU neoliberals..	sendero	Jun 2016	#233
you left out: exploitation of cheap labor, and eradicate unions	YOHABLO	Jun 2016	#277
Ireland	lakercub	Jun 2016	#225
No, you are absolutely not reading too much into it.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#229
A total disaster	anigbrowl	Jun 2016	#250
This has got to be so upsetting for you ....	etherealtruth	Jun 2016	#232
Posts like this make me fall in love in DU	rocktivity	Jun 2016	#235
Aunt Purl, thanks for the most informative post!	Raster	Jun 2016	#236
Great rant, but you really should learn what neo-liberalism is, since it is a major cause	Rex	Jun 2016	#240
I would trust Auntpurl's economic opinions far more than yours...	anigbrowl	Jun 2016	#249
So you didn't read her OP where she says she doesn't know what it is?	Rex	Jun 2016	#258
The referendum is non-binding.	roamer65	Jun 2016	#241
If he ignored it, his party would throw him out, and elect a leader as PM who will exit the EU	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2016	#245
I understand the parliamentary system.	roamer65	Jun 2016	#251
Then he never would have risked the referendum in the first place	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2016	#253
Agree Totally	colsohlibgal	Jun 2016	#243
Excellent OP!	Spazito	Jun 2016	#247
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#248
Good riddance to Morgan Stanley, I wish we could get rid of them	swhisper1	Jun 2016	#254
Reports are the UK is going to be offered "associate member" status in the EU.	roamer65	Jun 2016	#256
Could you point me towards the reports please? n/t	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#276
Excellent post	malaise	Jun 2016	#257
Thanks for the break down nt	MrScorpio	Jun 2016	#259
The “Black Mirror” episode that imagined David Cameron’s dalliance with a pig	Chico Man	Jun 2016	#263
Excellent write up of the situation.	Stand and Fight	Jun 2016	#264
Media coups are becoming a norm around the world. Brazil the best example.	L. Coyote	Jun 2016	#266
well	hill2016	Jun 2016	#270
Thanks for this thread	PaulaFarrell	Jun 2016	#274

Response to auntpurl (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:53 AM

FreakinDJ (17,644 posts)

OH MY GOD let's get several things straight about Brexit

1. "Thatcherism" was UK's Reaganomics

252. Yes - they were best pals and influenced each other a lot

279. A sovereign nation may be better able to defeat Reaganism/Thatcherism nt

2. +1, Trump and Putin supported Brexit ... Obama was against it, bout all I need to know to about it..

8. Where is the quote Putin weighed in on this at all?

15. link inside

44. That's his reaction to it

49. That was his position from the start, not just his reaction

169. boris the spider

222. I can't disagree with Putin.

226. You are correct. In fact he implied recently that it was not a good thing

66. That isn't what your article says.

68. Red Herring, my point is he supported it no matter how much he weighed in on it... I think I made

71. What is clear, is that your assertion is false. n/t

93. Geez, what is your issue with Putin? I've only read about a gazillion articles regarding Putin's

124. +1

228. It comes from the same place that the "Putin said he wants the USSR back" came from

106. This is false on its face, His comment wasn't made BECAUSE of the leave vote his thinking was...

157. Ideally,

114. Even 3 days ago he was keeping his opinion to himself.

119. Yeap, his opinion was he supported it IE his "weak nation" phrase

110. Obama is for the TPP, Trump is against it. end of line n/t

116. That's even more of a reason to take a second look at the TPP too, I'm not anti trade I'm anti

267. Since TPP written by corportations, I'm sure just fine.

268. So its 100% written by corps or were they allowed to weigh in? I'm not anti corporation either, ...

281. Perhaps I'm wrong but these are my sources.

282. I'd like hard proof that it was 100% written by corps not conjecture, again... I'm not anti ....

129. It's a sad commentary on our times, isn't it?

172. +1

198. Right

223. I've seen nothing to suggest that Merkel was trying to get other nations to emulate Germany's labor

237. So you actually didn't read about this at all.

3. Thank you. An excellent summary.

4. As an American

167. But that's two different issues ...

265. I am a Californian

5. Nicely stated! No American progressive or any other educated human should support Brexit.

33. Says you

72. There is very little that is progressive

89. It would seem ...

91. Too true.

120. +1, OP worthy

180. Yup

131. Really?

142. LOL - buh-bye! eom

168. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "McKinseyeqse (sic)"? n/t

192. Bob & Doug?

190. Start with the trade unions' position on how the EU gives workers protection:

275. Then you don't know or understand Britain

65. Imposing views is all well and fine.

112. Good point except English haven't had an indigenous population since the 300's.

161. But they have formed a unique cukture

210. Again, the problem is that there is not really an "English Culture" any more than the "US" culture.

246. Actually, I do know what I'm talking about. I saw the breakdown of the Brexit vote.

261. Thank you for your time in helping us to

165. Well, the people SHOULD have a right to vote on it, whether we like the outcome or not

262. For folks disillusioned with Global Capitalism's un-democratic domination, Brexit is hitting back

271. More related material.

272. Thanks!

273. This is worth learning about. I appreciate your hefty compilation of material, thank you! (nt)

6. Excellent summary!

209. LOL!!

7. Sing it, sister!

37. that's the sad part

40. Yup. And immigrants. n/t

280. If it would only be 52% that would speak highly of them as humans

9. Great post auntpurl!

10. I can't believe some of what I'm reading here.

11. A big, fat K&R!

12. PM Cameron fucked a pig. Really?

31. I never called anyone ignorant, and I never said they were supporting Trump.

88. Perhaps you should re-read your post!

269. He is correct for all I have seen and read.

83. Trump supports Brexit. Those who support Brexit side with Trump Logic 101!

90. No..that is an informal fallacy.

218. Siding with Trump =/= Trump supporter.

13. Thank you for this op

14. Thank you. DUers cheering this crap on are perplexing,to

16. I'm trying to think of the number of fucks Americans really care about this