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Bucky

(54,162 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:30 PM Jun 2016

What's your perception of Trump?

Near as I can figure, there are seven possibilities.

  • idiot
  • con man
  • neofascist
  • autocrat
  • huckster
  • double-agent
  • patriot


    Which of the following descriptions comes closest to your perception of Cheetoh Jesus?

    (of course I've left a little room for other categories some of yall might suggest)

  • 13 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
    He's a genuine IDIOT, blundered into the nom, & a product of the luck sperm club
    1 (8%)
    CON MAN with a game plan, if a bit derailed, but has more tricks up his sleeve -- I'm expecting a comeback
    3 (23%)
    He's true rightwing fanatic, perhaps a white supremacist, and certainly a NEOFASCIST
    0 (0%)
    Racism is convenient to him, but at heart he's a Putin/Erdowan style AUTOCRAT
    1 (8%)
    Racism is sales pitch to him, but at heart he's HUCKSTER who only wants to sell hotels & got bedazzled by the limelight
    7 (54%)
    He's a Clinton DOUBLE-AGENT, secretly hijacking the GOP so he can throw the election Clinton's way
    0 (0%)
    He's a misguided PATRIOT, perhaps playing to the rubes, but might actually govern only slightly right of center
    1 (8%)
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    What's your perception of Trump? (Original Post) Bucky Jun 2016 OP
    He had a successful reality game show, and seemed to enjoy it. closeupready Jun 2016 #1
    Mussolini was actually better at propaganda than train scheduling. immoderate Jun 2016 #6
    Popularly, though, he gets credit. Just the way it goes. closeupready Jun 2016 #10
    I honestly think.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #2
    So are you leaning more toward huckster or con man? Bucky Jun 2016 #5
    Con Man, I think. Look at Trump "University." Adrahil Jun 2016 #13
    I'm torn between those two assessments too. That's why I made the poll Bucky Jun 2016 #18
    A sociopathic, bigoted, conceited, dangerous ignoramus (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #3
    you are getting warmer. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2016 #11
    Trump made money greenmailing Harrahs and Ballys GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #4
    For myself, I gotta say "double agent" makes no sense. He's ruined the Trump brand Bucky Jun 2016 #7
    He's an actor, literally. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #8
    Demagogue: one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #9
    I'd call that "autocrat" but do you think that'd be a different category? Bucky Jun 2016 #12
    He is psychologically disordered narcissist, which should automatically disqualify him as No Vested Interest Jun 2016 #14
    That's what I think, too. He's not an idiot -- it's just that his narcissism pnwmom Jun 2016 #15
    Con Man and a LIAR! UCmeNdc Jun 2016 #16
    Cokehead C_U_L8R Jun 2016 #17
    narcissist would be my vote .... right after short fingered vulgarian etherealtruth Jun 2016 #19
    I. CAN'T. STAND. HIM. I. CAN'T. STAND. HIM. I. CAN'T. STAND. HIM. trueblue2007 Jun 2016 #20
     

    closeupready

    (29,503 posts)
    1. He had a successful reality game show, and seemed to enjoy it.
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:38 PM
    Jun 2016

    And before that, he was ALWAYS in the headlines - I remember the 80's and he and Ivana were ALWAYS being talked about, in Newsweek, at White House functions, opening casinos in ACNJ - basically, he wants to be America's Asif Ali Zadari (husband to Benazir Bhutto) - "Mr. 10%", Pakistan's Prime Minister before the current one, Nawaz Sharif, 10% because he allegedly demanded a 10% kickback for any project requiring government approval (an allegation amongst a dozen or more even MORE scurrilous allegations).

    This is basically what Trump wants to be - he wants to make money as the Clintons have done, and he wants the limelight, he loves it.

    Comparisons here are thrown about to Mussolini - I'd be careful about doing so because it is axiomatic that while Mussolini was a bad guy, he made the trains run on time, which is something hard to do, as anyone who has been to Italy can tell you. That is, he made things work for working people.

     

    immoderate

    (20,885 posts)
    6. Mussolini was actually better at propaganda than train scheduling.
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:51 PM
    Jun 2016

    He was good at taking credit. The trains were "fixed" before he came to power. Don't overlook the power of being full of shit.

    --imm

     

    closeupready

    (29,503 posts)
    10. Popularly, though, he gets credit. Just the way it goes.
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:57 PM
    Jun 2016

    The salient point, however, is this - drawing parallels with historic figures is fraught with hidden dangers.

    Full of shit? Evil? Douchebag sans pareil? All of the above, totally agree.

    Nevertheless, I think lots of people don't care if they think he'll help them put bread on the table.

     

    Adrahil

    (13,340 posts)
    2. I honestly think....
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:39 PM
    Jun 2016

    He got into it to sell gaudy cheap crap with his name plastered on it, and when it looked like he could actually win the nom, decided to play the marks for all he could get. If he wins, he's pulled the ultimate con. If he loses, he'll have racists, sexists, and homophobes who will be willing to shovel money his direction (see Sarah Palin).

    Bucky

    (54,162 posts)
    5. So are you leaning more toward huckster or con man?
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:48 PM
    Jun 2016

    To me the difference being
    Huckster: an alpha male/attention hog who compulsively sells, sells, sells as an adrenaline fix (seducing the customers) & doesn't care about shoddy product (to wit, his ability to govern)
    Con Man: a schemer/sociopath who is always trying to trick the suckers into giving him more, more, more (and getting off more mon feeling superior to those who he swindles)

     

    Adrahil

    (13,340 posts)
    13. Con Man, I think. Look at Trump "University."
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:36 PM
    Jun 2016

    So I think I probably voted for the wrong option on reflection, but meh, close enough!

    GreatGazoo

    (3,937 posts)
    4. Trump made money greenmailing Harrahs and Ballys
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:45 PM
    Jun 2016

    He got paid to go away basically.

    His GOP run seems similar.

    Yesterday (1988)
    http://articles.philly.com/1988-02-18/business/26240779_1_bally-stock-bally-manufacturing-corp-bally-shareholders

    and today

    One cannot help but wonder how things would be different if the Republican elite had responded to Trump the way Bally did — by buying him off rather than fighting him. It’s not clear what form greenmail would take in a presidential campaign, but Trump is always saying he is open to a good deal.


    http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2016/03/is-trumps-campaign-another-corporate.html

    Bucky

    (54,162 posts)
    7. For myself, I gotta say "double agent" makes no sense. He's ruined the Trump brand
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:51 PM
    Jun 2016

    He'll make money off the rubes after he loses, certainly, but his prestige is gone.
    He's in Glenn Beck/televangelist territory now. He's utterly PNG with the Manhattan socialites he used to charm.

    TwilightZone

    (25,560 posts)
    8. He's an actor, literally.
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:55 PM
    Jun 2016

    I've been thinking all along that the majority of his game was just an act and that he's really not this batshit crazy.

    I think, for the most part, he's an actor playing a role. He even admits it once in a while, like when he said that he brings out "the wall" when he thinks that his audience is losing interest or dosing off.

    No Vested Interest

    (5,170 posts)
    14. He is psychologically disordered narcissist, which should automatically disqualify him as
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:45 PM
    Jun 2016

    candidate for President of the USA and any other governmental office.

    He may also have many of the characteristics listed in the poll, but his psychological state predominates.

    pnwmom

    (109,035 posts)
    15. That's what I think, too. He's not an idiot -- it's just that his narcissism
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:49 PM
    Jun 2016

    completely blinds him to a realistic assessment of his ability.

    trueblue2007

    (17,267 posts)
    20. I. CAN'T. STAND. HIM. I. CAN'T. STAND. HIM. I. CAN'T. STAND. HIM.
    Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:01 PM
    Jun 2016

    I think he is evil, horrible, A MONSTER.
    BIGOT, hates women and is a racist pig. that is what i think of trump.

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