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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:06 PM Jun 2016

Sorry, I don't get the cheering going on for LGBT folks rushing out to buy guns

I don't see how you can be pro-gun control and cheer on any particular group rushing out to buy guns. We're awash in the fucking things. That's a big part of the problem. Just too many guns and too many people justifying buying more guns. I'm not all that familiar with the exact statistics, and we all know that you can dig up statistics to bolster any argument you wish.... lies, damn lies and statistics, as the saying goes.

I don't know that a bunch of people carrying that awful night at Pulse would have reduced the deaths and injuries. There was, after all, an off duty cop who engaged him. But it's just as possible that people could have inadvertently hit innocents.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Sorry, I don't get the cheering going on for LGBT folks rushing out to buy guns (Original Post) cali Jun 2016 OP
Who's cheering? B2G Jun 2016 #1
Ok. We had the tragedy in Disney, now in order to protect other patrons yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #2
Guns more often result in accidental shootings than protection. randome Jun 2016 #3
I don't disagree but I am not one who was in that tragedy and can't comdemn yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #5
Oh, I can't condemn anyone, either. randome Jun 2016 #14
that is part of the story that also is kind of a failure One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #4
Don't underestimate fear. It's powerful. Most people don't like the idea of being a victim. jmg257 Jun 2016 #6
It's not like thye're buying assault rifles and shotguns, jfc romanic Jun 2016 #7
More guns definitely isn't the solution to America's gun problem. Initech Jun 2016 #8
"Addiction" is an interesting term. When talking gun bans, it is often argued jmg257 Jun 2016 #9
Yeah I am honestly thinking we have a gun addiction. Initech Jun 2016 #10
If "addiction" is measured by "every time a mass shooting hapoens, gun sales go through the roof" Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #15
more guns on the street is never a good thing mwrguy Jun 2016 #11
Florida concealed carry law: No legal carry into a into an establishment that serves alcohol Bonx Jun 2016 #12
Gun-free zones aren't. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #17
The gunners come out at night (i.e. in the darkest hour). demmiblue Jun 2016 #13
Can't be too vast since more than a third of Americans own guns. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #16
Any citizen who believes their life is endangered should be able to legally obtain a gun. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #18
If a member of the LGBT community sarisataka Jun 2016 #19
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Ok. We had the tragedy in Disney, now in order to protect other patrons
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

They will put up signs, take away alligators, put up a fence to ensure future safety. When a group is tragically gunned down with zero protection, they are not going to be unprotected the next time it happens. We protect ourselves after a tragedy. Our laws are made from tragedy all the time. Perhaps having privilege of not having or ever having a the tragedy they had Saturday night would allow that explanation.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Guns more often result in accidental shootings than protection.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

Unless you're certain never to be under threat except at a specific place, you'd carry that gun on you at all times -thereby making the odds of a misfire that much greater.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. I don't disagree but I am not one who was in that tragedy and can't comdemn
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

Her for protecting herself. I don't know how that feels.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. Oh, I can't condemn anyone, either.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jun 2016

But it seems from my point of view to be no gain in carrying a loaded weapon.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
4. that is part of the story that also is kind of a failure
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

I think there were at least two cops who were in a shoot out with this guy early, and they didn't put him down. If one of those cops had been a better shot, then the psycho killer guy would never have had the opportunity to kill so many...just sayin'.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
6. Don't underestimate fear. It's powerful. Most people don't like the idea of being a victim.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jun 2016

Or feeling helpless.

Fear is a good thing, keeps us from doing all kinds of stupid shit, and causes us to do all kind of smart stuff.

Anyway - it is hard to argue with the notion of wanting to defend life, especially your own, your loved ones.

Of course that doesn't have to mean "guns".
Just something effective.


400 million guns.
23 Million new ones a year.


romanic

(2,841 posts)
7. It's not like thye're buying assault rifles and shotguns, jfc
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

If someone feels that they need protection, it's their right to get protection. Whether it's a pistol, mace, a knife, whatever.

Initech

(100,431 posts)
8. More guns definitely isn't the solution to America's gun problem.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

In fact can we as a country admit that we have an addiction to guns?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
9. "Addiction" is an interesting term. When talking gun bans, it is often argued
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jun 2016

to compare such attempts to prohibition and war on drugs.

The/A counter to THAT argument is "those are addictive, guns aren't".

Yet 90-95% of people may not comply with an intrusive control law (NY Safe act) - they risk criminal penalties to avoid just registering a subset of their guns.

"Addiction"...hmmm.

Initech

(100,431 posts)
10. Yeah I am honestly thinking we have a gun addiction.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Think about some of the violent language we use every day, and think about the fact that every single fucking time a mass shooting happens, gun sales go through the roof! And all the NRA wants is more guns in the hands of more people that shouldn't have them. It's a cycle and it's way past time to try to break it.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
15. If "addiction" is measured by "every time a mass shooting hapoens, gun sales go through the roof"
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

You might considernwhat controllers call for every time:. Bans.

If you are so concerned about the addiction of, presumably, gun sales, then quit doing those things which cause the sales. Come up with something other than calls for bans.

demmiblue

(37,086 posts)
13. The gunners come out at night (i.e. in the darkest hour).
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

This is what they do... it does not reflect what the vast majority of us think.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
18. Any citizen who believes their life is endangered should be able to legally obtain a gun.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jun 2016

Any person within a demonstrably threatened group should be able to legally obtain a gun.

"Article two of the constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun" -- Malcolm X

sarisataka

(19,541 posts)
19. If a member of the LGBT community
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

Assessing the risk to their person, considers the responsibilities that come along with the right, commits themselves to becoming proficient in the use of a gun and knowledgeable on the rules of self-defense, then concludes that a gun would be a useful option in their choice of self-protection, would you deny them that choice because it doesn't make sense to you?

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