Tell ALL of your homophobic "Christian" peers the same thing right now.

[retrowire]

From now on, if you hear ANYONE claiming that the victims of that shooting got what they deserved, you tell that person that they are siding with ISIS.

Don't let them protest and say, "No! I'm Christian!" You tell them, "Funny, for a Christian, you seem to have a shit ton in common with ISIS right now!"

Extremist bigoted versions of religion have NO PLACE in this world. Call it out.

[Bluzmann57]

1. I did that once

Or at least something like that. I said the guy believes in Sharia law because of restrictions on women, etc. He offered to punch me as I walked away and laughed at him. Real Christian there.

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

17. Real Christian there.

Yeah, really. Typical though.

Real Christians are extremely rare. I can probably count on one hand the genuine ones I've met in my 52 years. The ones who claim to be, but show by their words and actions, they aren't, are laughably a dime a dozen.

[Duppers]

56. +100

[Skittles]

60. I am more Christian than most of the Christians I know

and I am Agnostic

[Aerows]

63. Fellow agnostic.

What passes for kindness and brotherly love is a travesty in many cases.

All we can do is be the best person we can, and ignore the unfortunate stream of boneheads that get in the way.

[linuxman]

2. I was born and raised Christian in the bible belt.

I can count on one hand the number of encounters I've had with someone who'd say that and still have fingers left over.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Sorry, I misread your post. My error. . nt

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[linuxman]

30. What are you talking about?

Your post makes no sense.

[Duppers]

57. Also born, grew up in Buybull belt

And my experience has been different--including my own mother who, years ago, said gays deserve to die from AIDS!

Talk about a strained relationship. And thank hisnoodleness for southern atheists' clubs.

[Dreamer Tatum]

3. It's time we all admit that Christians need to be called out on this attack.

Agree 100%.

[Bensonhurst_braciole]

16. I must be missing something here.

Why call out Christians at all when a confirmed Islamist committed this atrocity? I mean, if you want to call out Christians for some reason for a crime committed by a Muslim, that's fine. However, shouldn't Muslims, at the very least, be called out ahead of Christians regarding this incident?

I'm sorry, but I'm just not following your logic here, so please forgive me if I missed some crucial point that must've been inherent in what you wrote.

[rockfordfile]

19. One of problems is religion and the other guns

This is something Conservative Christians really have no problem seeing happen. The bigots of all those religions are a problem in our world.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Lt. Gov. of Texas is only sorry he wasn't there to pull the trigger. That's the kind of christian

Lt. Gov. of Texas is only sorry he wasn't there to pull the trigger. That's the kind of christian you are missing.

Go look up the blowback for his sick sick tweet.

[840high]

28. .that^

[smirkymonkey]

33. +1000

[paleotn]

36. either you need a lesson in logic....

....or you've had your head up your arse lately. Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, Pat Robertson and many other fundigelicals have stated the shooting is God's vengeance.

Now, whenever some unhinged individual who happens to be Muslim does an atrocity, we're deafened by the call for the entire Muslim community to denounce acts if terrorism, ad nauseam. But when some Christian states something so nutty and vile it would make a Saudi cleric blush, I sure as hell don't hear the Christian community denouncing such statements or praying for those killed or wounded and their families and loved ones. Leads me to believe most fundigelicals actually agree with Robertson's hateful rhetoric. Well? Which is it?

[zeemike]

37. Islam is a protected religion.

Because it is associated with racism (wrongly)
But Christianity is not and you can attack it anytime you want with no complaints.
So now it is made about Christianity...to protect Islam.

[Scootaloo]

42. You are missing something

The Lt. GOvernor of Texas cited a biblical passage that amounted to "they deserve to die."

Also you're missing the OP's point that it's Christians who say shit like that who ought to be called out for - reading is fundamental - siding with ISIS.

Primary blame - the assholes who perpetrate. Secondary blame - the assholes who condone.

[Skittles]

62. you apparently are unware of church-endorsed homophobia

in Texas, Dan Patrick thinks LGBT folk are a threat in the bathroom - do you think he would ever acknowledge that "Christians" and other religious folk are a bigger danger to LGBT folk, especially the gun humping Christians?

[JanMichael]

64. Because the thinly veiled attacks like HB-2 aren't enough for you?

Who do you think the NC government is appeasing here? Islamist's? No Christian conservatives in our rural areas that hate gays lesbians liberals blacks hispanics women ETCETERA. The list of hate is too long.

Limiting this one attack to one person or one fanatical religion is weak logic.

[Silver_Witch]

66. All you need to do is go see the posts from Christians supporting this action...

or worse blaming the LGBT community for being who they are.

I am super super angry about the Westboro folks having a party tonight...they are christians are they not?

Take a look around and you will see why there is anger at all religions.

[Fla Dem]

67. There are bigots that aren't religious as well. Let's just call out all bigots. nt

[sibelian]

74. ...

errr... what?

[jmg257]

4. Can i include a big "F$&@ You you hateful scum" too?

[melman]

5. I don't think I've ever known anyone that would say that

In fact I'm sure I haven't.

[yardwork]

11. The attorney general of Texas just did.

[melman]

12. I don't know him

thankfully. The OP seems to be about people you actually know.

[yardwork]

13. I think a fair number of people have relatives and acquaintances who might say this.

[AngryOldDem]

18. It needs to be called out whenever it happens, whoever says it.

[ToxMarz]

34. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually do know someone

You just haven't heard them say it, yet. Like when people have claimed they don't know anyone who is gay. Bet they did, just didn't know they were gay.

[ToxMarz]

35. Seems I accidentally replied to you

[rockfordfile]

21. Let see

I remember dealing witrh a Conservative Republican in NC about a gay person being beat up. All I received from that pos was a bible quote. He just copied and pasted a bible quote.

There was a couple of gay teens hung in Iran a few years ago and met Christians who blurted, "they should bring that here."

The major religions are full of bigots.

[we can do it]

26. Then you haven't been through Ohio.

Maybe you're just not listening because it doesn't directly affect you.

[melman]

27. Maybe

I just don't know any people that would say anything like that. Like I said.

[paleotn]

39. Then you either don't move in fundigelical circles....

...or are lying. Then again, fundys are known for playing fast a lose with the truth, so you could be both. I grew up a Southern Baptist, was a born again Christian for 30 some years and have heard that shit my entire life. Though I chucked all that garbage 20+ years ago, I still have numerous contacts...friends, acquaintances and family. Trust me, many fundys do believe that. They just don't have enough gumption to say it outside their circle of fellow travelers. If you've ever been close to fundigelicals, you've heard the same hateful rhetoric over and over again.

[melman]

43. Neither. I don't move in fundie circles

and I'm not lying. I grew up in the Northeast and had liberal parents. My 81 year old dad watches Rachel Maddow every night. I don't have any conservatives in my family at all.

I really do not know any people that would say anything like that. I don't know why that's a controversial thing to post.

[paleotn]

47. I didn't mean to be insulting. You've lead a very blessed life and should be thankful.....

...you've never come across those of a more fundamentalist bent.

[closeupready]

68. Get out more in the middle of America then.

[roamer65]

6. There is common thread to all religious extremism.

HATE.

Proves to me that all religious extremism is a mental disorder and needs to be dealt with ASAP.

[immoderate]

7. Not so much. Christians kill people too.

--imm

[6chars]

8. Tex Lt. Gov sides with ISIS

good point

[tenderfoot]

9. It warms my heart to see conservatives show a sudden concern for the LGBT community

eom

[yardwork]

10. Thank you for this. /nt

[Nye Bevan]

14. I've never once heard a Christian advocate that gays should be murdered or executed.

I don't think even the Christian baker who didn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding would support that kind of thing.

[retrowire]

15. Do take note...

"Extremist bigoted versions of religion have NO PLACE in this world. Call it out."

Take note that I'm only calling out the extremists of religion. The cake baker was not an extremist, just a bigot. They have the right to be bigoted. But I won't stand for extremism, none of us should. That's all I'm saying.

[napkinz]

20. Pastor Kevin Swanson: Kill The Gays!

[840high]

29. Neither have I.

[paleotn]

45. You're kidding, right?

need I go on?

[Nye Bevan]

52. Nope. Not familiar with those people. (nt)

[yardwork]

58. Google Scott Lively. There's a whole Christian cottage industry on this.

[closeupready]

70. "Nope. Not familiar with those people." Uh-huh,

I really believe he's not familiar with those people.

[msanthrope]

22. Abramahic religions all suck. nt

[Nye Bevan]

31. Especially Episcopalians and Quakers.

Those people are just the worst.

[MellowDem]

40. Their religion sure does...

The best behaved ones are the ones most willing to ignore the terrible things their holy texts say.

But at their core, the Abrahamic religions all promote hate, violence and bigotry in their texts, and there will never be any way around that, no matter how much hem-hawing people do.

[Nye Bevan]

41. Yep. Those Gospels are evil.

"Love your neighbor as yourself", "Do unto others as you would have done unto you", "Let he is who without sin cast the first stone", "Blessed are the peacemakers", and the parable of the Good Samaritan. Awful stuff.

[MellowDem]

46. Rules that have been around since before religion...

Unfortunately, the same book has God genociding the entire planet, calling homosexual acts an abomination, dehumanizing women, ordering the genocide of various tribes, God committing infanticide... It goes on.

That is awful stuff, and that is not compatible with any moral worldview, and until people recognize that and let these types of religions go, they'll continue identifying with and indirectly supporting these passages.

[Nye Bevan]

51. In which Gospel verse does Jesus condemn homosexuality? (nt)

[MellowDem]

54. God does...

in the Old Testament, and there is some not so nice stuff in the New Testament as well about homosexuality.

Jesus never condemns slavery either. He never expresses how God shouldn't have killed all the first born of Egypt, he never talks about how God's bet with the devil on Job was a cruel thing, etc. etc.

These are all signs that this book isn't a good moral guide.

If you want to argue interpretations, people can do that until blue in the face, but these very explicitly bigoted texts are all in there, and they most definitely help promote the hate we see in the world.

[IronLionZion]

23. and report them to the FBI

as terrorist sympathizers

I'm only half joking here. Think if one of the shooter's friends had called it in and prevented this.

[roamer65]

32. If anyone shows support for this act, they are terrorist sympathizers.

Report them to the FBI.

[ileus]

38. I've never heard any Christian say "they" got what they deserved.

[maryellen99]

50. The homophobes were out in full force this morning on Twitter

[cwydro]

44. I don't have any "peers" of that sort.

And very glad of it.

I know a couple of what I would term "evangelical types", but they've never caused a bit of problem for any gay person I know, nor do they speak against people's sexual orientation.

[Squinch]

48. Me either, and if I did I'd certainly tell them a lot more than "you're siding with ISIS."

[cwydro]

49. Yep!

Me too.

[calimary]

53. To everyone who wants to pass around their thoughts and prayers -

I find that no consolation anymore.

I don't want anybody's "thoughts and prayers." I want SIGNATURES. On petitions. To revise the 2nd Amendment so as to prevent access to assault weapons. Okay, collect handguns if you must. (Personally, I just completely fail to see why anybody would feel compelled to do that.) But Honest-to-Pete! What On Earth does anybody really need with an assault weapon? I've heard all the explanations and excuses already. None suffices, or convinces.

[Duppers]

59. +100

[Aerows]

61. I've damn near busted blood vessels today.

I don't know how people can attain the ranks of being assholes that high.

[Dalziel3979]

65. No difference.

[closeupready]

69. Remember when people said GAY stood for "got AIDS yet? haha!"?

No, that never happened, and it was something I made up just now.

Love all the "I have ALWAYS loved gay people!" phonies here.

[NaturalHigh]

71. I'm a Christian from a fairly conservative Christian family...

and I don't know anyone who would say something like that. I'm guessing you just wanted to make yourself feel better by getting in a quick jab at Christians today.

[whatthehey]

73. I don't know anyone over 6'6" but I dont pretend the NBA is imaginary

Plenty of cites on this very thread of Christians applauding and celebrating and calling for the death of gays. It's so mainstream that Republican candidates in the presidential primaries appeared at conferences organized by some of those who call for it with barely a peep of protest heard.

[Lizzie Poppet]

72. As an atheist with a good few Christian friends...

...I'm happy to say that I'm confident none of them would ever utter such a horrible thing. They do their best to "walk the talk."

Of course, there's a lot of sampling bias in that cross-section! I don't make friends with the sort of person who'd make a statement like that, regardless of their religious views.