The attack in Orlando can and should be laid firmly at the feet of Donald Trump

[philosslayer]

He is the one stirring up the racist hate, bigotry, and homophobia. No one else. Him, his supporters, and the Republican party have bred all of the ingredients that came together to cause these events. Let's not lose sight of this.

[katmondoo]

1. Yes !!!!!

My first thought

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Drumpf certainly has stirred up the worst in people...

...but I think we need more facts before we judge anything about this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. I could not agree more... that racist pig tRump has to go.

[mythology]

4. What if it's an Islamic terrorist?

It's hard to lay that at the feet of Donald Trump. Lets wait and see what this asshole's motives were (other than being a anti-gay piece of garbage of course) before we start saying Trump is at fault.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

6. Bullshit... Donald "the racist pig" Trump is single-handedly responsible for the putrid atmosphere of hate he has created on this country with his bigoted rhetoric.

[Humanist_Activist]

17. Uhm, that's not true, he's not single-handedly responsible for shit, he's a result, not an...

originator, not to mention this particular attack may be motivated by Muslim born homophobia.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. Sorry, that piece o' shit tRump needs to be called out on his racist homophobic hate mongering.

[Humanist_Activist]

22. Yes, but misassigning blame just means you want to "blame Trump" in the same way the RW...

blames Obama for every bad thing that occurs, whether he had power over it or not.

It makes assigning real blame, that can actually be traced back to him, worthless.

[leftynyc]

52. Would you mind linking

To something that would indicate what you're saying has a grain of truth. I can't remember one time don the con has indicated he's a homophobe. But I could give dozens that would indicate radical Islamics don't need Donnie at all to feed their homophobic murderous feelings.

[GummyBearz]

90. To add to your point

Didn't the donald actually come out on the side of transgender people in that north carolina bathroom law fiasco? I know that doesn't mean they are gay but if one is for transgender rights one is likely for gay rights.

"The billionaire said Thursday on the "Today" show on NBC that, "There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. There has been so little trouble, and the problem with what happened in North Carolina is the strife and the economic punishment that they're taking."

So pinning this act of terrorism against the gay community on the donald is incredibly weak. Lets put blame where it belongs, the hateful person who committed the crime and the hateful ideologies that made him do it.

[malaise]

139. You will have to convince me of the reasons why the last two attacks took place

at a Planned Parenthood building and now a gay night club on Latin night.
Who benefits? For sure we're not talking about Judge Curiel or Trump University and suddenly there's a speech coming about keeping America safe. Please. Something is seriously wrong here.

[Ms. Yertle]

5. Shooter has been identified

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pulse-nightclub-shooting-orlando/

Sources have confirmed to CBS News that authorities are investigating whether the suspect, who has been named as Omar Mateen, had ties to Islamic terrorism. Mateen is a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal history, according to sources.

Not likely a Trump supporter.

[Callmecrazy]

7. Not likely? Why? nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Agree... sounds like a Nazi-Trump supporter to me.

[Ms. Yertle]

14. Mateen is a registered Democrat

OMAR MIR SEDDIQUE MATEEN was born 16 November 1986 and he lives (or lived) at 2513 S 17TH ST APT 107 in FORT PIERCE, St. Lucie County, Florida, U.S.A. His voter ID number is 114484524. He registered to vote 19 July 2006 and he is registered in the Florida Democratic Party. He is listed as Other (race).

http://flvoters.com/by_number/1144/84524_omar_mir_seddique_mateen.html

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. How is this relevant?!

[HooptieWagon]

26. He's a Muslim, from Afghanistan, and a registered Democrat.

He's not a Trump supporter...don't be ridiculous.

[Sunlei]

125. He's an American, born and grown-up in Florida.

[pintobean]

27. Really?

You need that explained to you?

[Ms. Yertle]

30. I posted in response to someone who asked why I didn't think he was a Trump supporter.

[Dorian Gray]

141. It's as relevant

as insisting he's a Trump supporter.

Neither is particularly relevant.

We are angry and want to blame people.

This man had access to semi automatic rifles, and used them to kill 51 people. That is what we should be angry about.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

142. Abso-fukn-lutely, couldn't agree more... so tragic in so many ways. If this doesn't lead to major gun control measures, NOTHING will.

[metroins]

41. Alerted

I voted to leave, it seems legit and doxing a deceased terrorist isn't really terrorism in my pov.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:08 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Mateen is a registered Democrat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7900366

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The bodies aren't even cold, and this poster tries to determine the shooters voter registration. We don't even know if this is accurate as there could be multiple Omar Mateens in Florida. This is a reckless post that should be hidden until more data is known.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:12 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm hiding not for the reason stated in the alert, but because it is against TOS to post personal information.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No doxing
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems legit to me.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster in question is seemingly providing the 'more data' requested.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[Ms. Yertle]

45. Thank you

Honestly, I thought twice about posting, but someone had asked a question, and I thought answering it would be okay.

Didn't think doxing would matter, since he's dead.

[Reter]

114. The 3 dissenting jurors need to rethink this

Especially Juror #2, who would have no problem with the post if the shooter was a Republican.

[NickB79]

61. Is this the same guy? Other sources are saying he was born in 1989.

[Ms. Yertle]

65. I've heard 1986

a couple of times. I made note of it because that's the year my younger son was born. If different info comes out I will delete.

[Rex]

135. That website is privately owned, not a public or state owned website.

Florida's state owned elections website has no listing of the man.

http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/search/?q=OMAR+MIR+SEDDIQUE+MATEEN

[Rex]

134. That is interesting that a private website owned by someone with a RWing agenda has that

as a fact when the official government website has no listing for the suspect...but you probably knew that.

http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/search/?q=OMAR+MIR+SEDDIQUE+MATEEN

[Reter]

109. Do you really think an Muslim ISIS member is a Trump supporter?

[philosslayer]

9. SPIN???

Are you kidding? What spin is necesssary? If this isn't a hate crime, what is???

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

23. Is this your goodbye DU moment?

Lot of bashing Obama and Hillary while suggesting Poor Donald will be railroaded.....pulling the mask off dude?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

86. Seriously.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Perhaps you are at the wrong site?

[AgadorSparticus]

110. Stop. Just stop.

[emulatorloo]

122. Get a grip.

Way too much CT. Alex Jones territory.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. WTF?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. You're living in a dream world... this was a hate crime of the worst order, plain and simple.

[restorefreedom]

16. really? the fbi guy in florida said they are already looking at radical ties to this guy.

he dreamin too?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. I don't know what is more insipid...

I don't know what is more insipid; blaming Trump for this tragedy or blaming Secretary Clinton and President Obama.

[heaven05]

102. ?????

GOODBYE!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!

[Shemp Howard]

12. Islamic radicals throw gays off of rooftops.

I doubt if Trump can be blamed for that, or for this latest attack.

But historians will eventually assess an overall blame here. And the person blamed will be Bush II. He recklessly set the entire Middle East on fire. The fallout has been, and will continue to be, worldwide.

[heaven05]

48. you're for trump

is all I can gather from any of your comments. All I get is that america is full of chumpsfortrump. That is a sad reflection on the sick state of american culture. And if that dangerous clown should attain the status of POTUS more shootings like Orlando will happen, more Sandra Bland murders will happen, more Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Trayvon Martin et al. executions will happen, all people not white will be in danger and women will be put under tremendous pressure "to get back into the kitchen and stay pregnant". This country is going to hell on a greased slide.

Hilary is no worse than any other politician. But she's a hell of a lot better than the alternative offered by that other political party of america. And I really don't give a DAMN WHAT ANYONE HERE OR ELSEWHERE HAS TO SAY IN THE NEGATIVE ABOUT HER. She is the nominee. And all who'll sit out this election, whether our vote counts or not, ARE COWARDS and will get what they deserve if the chumpsfortrump somehow gives the PTB the balls/ovaries to install that dangerous clown into the whitehouse.

If that happens, I can't wait to pull out the old fiddle.........

[Glorfindel]

85. I agree with every word of your post, heaven05

You tell it like it is!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. Sad is right... I can't believe what this place has come to.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. I don't know what is more insipid; blaming Trump or blaming PBO and HRC for this.

Wrong site, maybe?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. Oh, I can blame pig-vomit tRump for a LOT more than that.

[heaven05]

124. no trump cannot be blamed for islamic radicalism

he CAN be blamed for agitating racial hate, gender inequality and an overall RW fever to return america to the white supremacist 'good old days'.

[MadBadger]

18. Why is there always a rush to blame people?

This shit clearly happens on both sides, because some people I'm sure are blaming POTUS and Hillary.

It's just tiring. Can't we just take a break from politics for like a minute?

[Humanist_Activist]

25. How does this connect logically? Radical, right wing muslims have hated the LGBT community long...

before Trump was on the radar as a contender in this race.

[jmg257]

28. Brilliant. Always need to remember half the people in the world

Have less then average IQ.

[SwankyXomb]

104. George Carlin said it best

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

[HassleCat]

29. Only in the most general sense.

Most of the hatred toward gay people comes from religious fundamentalists, and Trump doe not appear to be one of those. In a general way, however, he sends the message that it's OK to hate "them," those who are different from "us" in any way. That could be skin color, national origin, sexual orientation, or just about anything. So, yes, he's a factor, but hatred will still exist long after Donald Trump is an unpleasant memory.

[MadCrow]

31. Cool it!

Why can't we just take care of the victims, offer condolences to family and friends and wait until we get some concrete evidence, not speculation,on the perpetrator's identity and motive before we go flinging accusation around?

[smirkymonkey]

77. Thank YOU!

Someone is talking sense for once!

[wildeyed]

32. HB2 and NC Governor McCrory can take a bow too n/t

[Oneironaut]

33. Sorry no. It's religion. Specifically Islam.

He shot a bunch of LGBT people because he felt it would please his sky fairy. Let's not pretend otherwise.

[philosslayer]

34. You know this how??

Less than twelve hours after the fact you already know the shooters precise motivation?

[Oneironaut]

35. It's fairly obvious at this point. Typical Islamic extremist attack.

The venue and the shooter's background make it obvious.

[philosslayer]

39. 'Fairly obvious"?

Its called circumstantial evidence. And what you're doing is irresponsible and JUST what Donald Trump and his legion of minions want.

[Oneironaut]

47. I'm not a reporter. Of course it's (partly)speculation. It's not baseless, however.

The evidence heavily points to extremist Islam being the primary motive. Do you disagree, and why?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. It is NOT Islam! How the fuck can you say that?! No way in hell Islam advocates the killing of innocents. Please stop with the bigotry... thank you.

[Oneironaut]

44. The fact is, extreme right wing and conservative ideologies breed hate.

In this case, it happened to be anti-LGBT hatred. This isn't about Muslims. It's about Islam - a belief system that is incompatible with the modern world. Criticizing a belief system as archaic and violent is not bigotry.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. No, the fact is, BY DEFINITION, a Muslim is a follower of Islam... so you ARE making it about Muslims. I'm begging you... PLEASE stop!

[Oneironaut]

59. Does that also make anyone who criticizes Christianity a bigot?

Therefore, based on your argument, criticizing right wing Christian Conservatives is bigotry. That makes no sense.

[GulfCoast66]

64. When the people who commit these acts

Claim it is about islam then it is about fucking islam.

They have as much right to define that religion as you do.

[Bluenorthwest]

69. And they have to own the fact that ten Islamic nations execute LGBT and they say they do that

because they are Islamic. It's not cake and eat it too day. If you have entire nations practicing that brutal form of Islam you can't also declare that Islam has no problem with LGBT.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

74. Please do not imply that I condone the DISGUSTING way ALL religions treat the LGBT community... but to accuse peace loving Muslims of condoning murder is ALSO wrong.

[GummyBearz]

95. Yea, the shooter sounds like a peace loving muslim

[heaven05]

128. based on what evidence

by whatever "skyfairy" you listen to?

[swhisper1]

36. the shooter was Islamic and a registered Dem. He was probably approached

by a gay man. Thats all it takes, for centuries, Islamists murdered gays. Trump breeds hate, but he didnt cause this- religion did

[philosslayer]

37. Anti-gay hate crime

Not Islamic terrorism. There's a difference.

[malaise]

46. That is what it is

and it is horrific- all the gay bashing must stop.

[greytdemocrat]

54. malaise...

This isn't "gay bashing". It's terrorism. Wake the hell up.

[malaise]

60. What do you think led to this terror?

Why did he attack a gay nightclub?

[greytdemocrat]

68. Haven't

Terrorist been told to attack people in the US?

I don't recall Muslims being gay lovers, do you?

I'm sure we'll find out more, it's early.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

56. The former, certainly. It sounds like the latter too, but we should wait for confirmation.

Almost certainly nothing to do with Trump.

[swhisper1]

66. agreed

[leftynyc]

137. The disgusting pig

Pledged allegiance to Isis. It's Islamic terrorism and you being a serial apologist for it is getting pathetically predictable. Just stop it...it's making you look foolish and it's becoming a detriment to the DU community.

[greytdemocrat]

38. JHC

Don't be an idiot.

The POS was a muslim.

[Ace Rothstein]

42. Anything to protect Islam for some around here.

It is maddening.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. I didn't know DU had become such a Muslim hate site.

[Ace Rothstein]

50. It isn't Muslim hate.

It is calling it what it is. An extremely barbaric and regressive religion.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Just wow... so a bunch of crazies can hijack a peaceful religion and legitimate followers are now fair game for bigotry on this website?!

[Ace Rothstein]

55. Look at the support for suicide bombers in Muslim coutries.

It isn't just a small percentage of the population. Calling Islam a peaceful religion is a joke.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. Here's what I'm saying: for TRUE Muslims, Islam IS a peaceful religion that does NOT condone murder... Why is that so hard to understand?

[GulfCoast66]

126. I am pretty sure the shooter

Felt he was a true Muslim. Further, he probably thought Muslims who do not hate gays are not true Muslims.

And from what I can tell there is not a lot of love for the gay community in Islam.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. 10 Islamic countires execute LGBT under Islamic law, so that's a massive highjackig that takes in

entire nations, regions and peoples. It's not an exception it is the rule.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Not disagreeing that it may be the rule in those horrible countries... and it's DISGUSTING how they treat our friends in the LGBT community...

Just don't lump the peace-loving people who harbor no ill-will towards LGBT members in with those assholes who bastardize the Koran for their own evil purposes.

Can't we at least agree on that?!

[Bluenorthwest]

87. No one did any such lumping. You are ranting about that all on your own.

Your claim that a few crazies highjack an otherwise peaceful faith is not accurate and I pointed that out. The primary victims of Islamic anti gay violence are Muslim people. It is I who is in fact very actively advocating for the peace loving and the open minded in the Muslim world, it is you who forgets them in a rush to defend the idol that is the faith.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. That is a blatant misrepresentation of what I'm saying... I am the one defending INNOCENT Muslims who, yes, are also victims of radical assholes. Any objective person can see that.

[Bluenorthwest]

96. You are exploiting them to craft excuses for the larger faith.

This thread is talking about a terrible act of terrorism against the LGBT community.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

147. And THAT should be the focus... condemning a heinous act of terrorism... for sure!

[Bluenorthwest]

154. Your priorities are obvious.

nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

156. Project much?!

[David__77]

103. I think that'a a bit broad brush.

Generally speaking, I agree. I'd say that major manifestations of the religion are those things. It's not as if this is a matter of a handful of extremists. There's a death penalty for homosexuality in more than one country that's premised on Islamic law.

[leftynyc]

57. Being reality based

Doesn't make du a hate site. That radical Islamics hate gays isn't a right wing meme. It's simply the truth

[RedFury]

80. Facts have no bias

And the facts thus far indicate the shooter was a Muslim. So chill with the faux angst.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. The shooter may have called himself a "Muslim," that doesn't make him a TRUE Muslim....

The shooter's a "piece of shit" yes, I think we can all agree on that.

[Jake Stern]

100. "Doesn't make him a TRUE Muslim"

Search Google for "No True Scotsman" to see just how spurious your argument looks.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

130. Okay, I looked it up and your Scotsman argument is a false equivalence... but good try.

I, for one, have no trouble distinguishing between murderous scumbags who would harm our beloved LGBT friends - or ANYBODY for that matter - from true peace-loving Muslims.

And, as an atheist, I don't subscribe to ANY religious belief... but, for cripes sake, let's not condemn an entire group of people for the heinous acts of a bunch of aholes.

That's what TRUMP and his prick supporters do!

[leftynyc]

138. We're a reality site

This pig attacked a gay club because jihadists hate gays....pretending otherwise is pathetic.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

143. Who said otherwise? The pig, and his ilk, deserves the worst scorn imaginable.

[leftynyc]

144. The "no true "Scotsman"

argument is nothing but apologist bullshit.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

148. I know a lot of decent, loving Scotsmen... why the hate? Save your scorn for the scumbag who committed this heinous act!

[leftynyc]

150. I'm quite capable

of handling more than one thought in my brain at one time. Sorry that you have problems with that concept but that would be entirely your problem. Why the hate? Are you seriously asking this question? Have you found terrorism so mind numbingly repetitive that you are incredibly blase about it?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

151. Blase?... your "strawman" is showing again. You should try directing more of your hate towards the terrorist who took so many precious lives!

[leftynyc]

153. I've been doing that since

I've heard about it. Unlike you that wants us all to forget that he's a Muslim who got radicalized, not because his home is being bombed or anything having to do with foreign policy - he just fucking hated gays and used his religion (as far too many Muslims do) to justify his hatred and violence. That seems to be far too much for far too many liberals to admit. If he were Christian, there would be calls out about that all over this site.

[uponit7771]

146. +1

[Jake Stern]

49. Sorry to interrupt your bizarre, and frankly disturbing, swipe at Trump but. . .

Donald Trump has no responsibility for this in any form.

The ONLY culprits are extreme Islamist ideology and the shooter.

Yes, Virginia, Islamic terrorism does exist and contrary to the unwritten Code of the Left it is not racism or xenophobia to point that out.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. You can defend that racist pig tRump if you want... there can be no question that he's created a poison atmosphere that has spread unprecedented hate.

[Generic Brad]

94. Can you point to an example of him expressing homophobia?

His racism and misogyny have been blatant. He has obviously not spoken out in support of the LGBT community, but I don't specifically recall him openly denigrating anyone because they belonged to that group. It is hard to keep up with all of his hateful tweets and pronouncements.

[Jake Stern]

98. Show me how you're Adding 1+0 and getting 2?

Trump may be a racist asshole but he has ZERO part in this act of mass murder. This is a MUSLIM killing gays based on his twisted interpretation of scripture.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. So, if it's a "twisted interpretation of scripture," as you so CORRECTLY point out, how is this homophobic asshole shooter a TRUE Muslim?

Please answer just this question, without twisting my words, as others here have done. Thank you in advance.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

149. Have you listened to tRump's outrageous responses to this horrendous tragedy? I hold that racist pig more responsible as anybody... other than the scumbag who pulled the trigger.

[Barack_America]

58. Please stop.

This goes well beyond Trump and you know. Stop trying to score election points off of this tragedy.

[BootinUp]

62. Let the investigation proceed before jumping to conclusions. nt

[leftynyc]

63. Your pathetic attempt

To blame this on don the con - when he has shown no animus against gays - and away from radical jihadists - who have nothing but hatred for gays - is an embarrassment to this entire community.

[Tarc]

83. I don't want to get into Trump-blaming either, but...

While our favorite Orange Combover may not be a blustery and bible-thumpy like Cruz on LGBTQ rights, he still trots out the "I only support marriage for a man and a woman" shtick when asked.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

157. Correct-o-mundo!

[Bluenorthwest]

71. This OP is an exploitation of the victims motivated by a desire to protect the killer's community.

It's disgusting. It's a lie that no one else but Trump has promoted anti gay bigotry. That's a lie.

[Behind the Aegis]

136. Everyone is the victim, but us.

Everyone is responsible, except the actual attacker.

It is so fucking predictable! The fact is was us who were hit, I am UNsurprised by the same "chorus" who, while giving a faint...this is so sad remark...are "defending" their strawman "victims."

[Yo_Mama]

75. Well, this is so idiotic that I am mostly speechless.

The individual who is responsible for this is the perp.

Individuals who share some responsibility are those who preach and teach that gays are disgusting and that Allah/God wants them dead. Almost all of these people are Muslims.

Donald Trump is not my cup of tea for numerous reasons, but he had jack-all to do with this.

You hate him because he is telling some unfortunate truths.

Why not blame Al-Sisi?

You have permanently lost all credibility in my eyes, forever, for several of your claims today.

[Tarc]

79. Up until the "...because he is telling some unfortunate truths" line, you had a point

[Aerows]

82. I can't stretch far enough

to accuse even Donald Trump of gunning people down.

If you have an issue with my statement, go right ahead but lay off the "You must want Trump to be president"

Most of us can be decent people without invoking a devil.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. +1

I alerted on this thread...It make liberals look like right wing caricatures of them.


I defer to nobody in my antipathy toward Trump but to lay this tragedy at his feet is insipid.

[Bluenorthwest]

93. The OP is not a liberal. It's consistent. One thing after the other.

nt

[Aerows]

99. Warned admin when they first appeared.

They are still here.

[happynewyear]

106. +1

Agree. Cannot blame this on Donald Trump. Blame it on evil and hatred and someone with a gun that should not have had one.

RIP to all of those that were killed in this horrible tragedy. Condolences to their families as well.

[Joe the Revelator]

116. True story nt

[ButterflyBlood]

89. Donald Trump is the ONLY person in America who has stirred up hate?

Damn I sure miss the hate free utopia we had before his campaign.

[BlindTiresias]

97. Stupid and dishonest argument

The shooter was an islamicist, linking Trump to him does not make any sense whatsoever.

[Stuart G]

101. k and r...nt

[Ace Rothstein]

105. This thread isn't surprising.

This is the same poster who came up with a million excuses for the NYE attacks in Germany, after denying they happened for a week, and called anyone who didn't agree with them a bigot.

[Reter]

107. Trump isn't stirring much homophobia at all

As a matter of fact, right-wing Republicans think he's soft on gay rights. He was the most liberal Republican to run this election on social issues alone. Please get your facts straight.

PS I'm not defending this idiot Trump, just stating facts. He sucks on nearly every issue.

[Joe the Revelator]

108. This is an embarrassing OP.

I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but he has not stirred the pot against the LGTB community. Let's not try to force an agenda, eh?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. Please see Post 88...I alerted on it!!!

[Joe the Revelator]

113. Thumbs up man

I'm all for strong narratives, but this one doesn't fit and it just takes away from the very real issues with Trump, that, fortunately, don't have him calling for attacks against LGTBQ people.

Fuck Trump, but fuck him for actual real reasons.

[philosslayer]

120. And clearly the jury disagreed

You didn't get a single vote in fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

129. It's your m.o.

Omar Mateen, Terrorist Who Attacked Orlando Gay Club, Had Been Investigated by FBI


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

[philosslayer]

131. You mean to post threads that meet jurors standards

When alerted on? Yes, it is in fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

132. The alert cited here wasn't my alert...My alert was clearly after that one

I never invoked religion in my alert. I did say the original poster's modus operandi is to make the most outrageous claims which make liberals look like right wing caricatures of them.

Why would I denigrate Islam when I have one of the most famous Muslims in the world in my avatar and another images of one of the most famous Muslims in the world praying toward Mecca?


Why would I defend Trump when I started myriad threads here to trash him including two this morning:




http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512178366


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512178441

I detest Trump and I detest those that conflate all of Islam with terrorism... I just don't like to see people who are too clever by half using sleight of hand to turn liberals into caricatures.

[Ruby the Liberal]

117. You need to widen your world view

Not everyone is politically motivated. Hate can come from a host of ideologies.

[MFM008]

118. One thing for sure

He will attempt to capitalize on it tomorrow in his " big "
Speech.

[LWolf]

119. Jury results:

(I'm # 6)

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster consistently wishes to lay blame everywhere except at the feet of radicalized Muslims.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:38 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry to burst your balloon, but tRump and the fucking NRA deserve most of the blame. It was their shitty policies that have allowed the nut jobs such easy access to weapons of mass destruction.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Woah, admins, please check out this disgusting alert and escort the troll from the building. This bigoted defense of Trump is not ok.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Poster consistently wishes to lay blame everywhere except at the feet of radicalized Muslims."
This sounds more like a vendetta against the poster, and an anti-Muslim agenda, than any violation of TOS.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is undoubtedly wrong, but not particularly offensive. The alerter's comment is probably more offensive than the alerted post.

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[Odin2005]

121. Shooter is an Afghan-American who pledged loyalty to IS

This fucker was no Talking Yam supporter

[Sunlei]

123. Republican 'speaker' Trump, lets not forget all republicans back him at this point.

[beaglelover]

127. The shooter is a Muslim and a democrat. Sorry, but your OP is a fail.

And I'm a gay democrat, by the way.

[Prism]

133. Your opinion is horrifying

How dare you be this stupid and short-sighted and self-interested in the face of this.

Offensive as hell.

[PeteSelman]

140. I'm sorry but this is absurd.

Trump is an asshole's asshole, there's no doubt about that but pinning the blame on him for this lunatic's actions is clearly insane.

The one group Trump really hasn't attacked are gay people and there's no way to connect him to that loser's decision to radicalize and murder a bunch of people in the name of ISIS.

Get a grip.

[joshcryer]

145. So few recs for the obvious.

I'm lost.

[Jester Messiah]

152. Trump does enough terrible shit; we don't have to make up more.

This was just another textbook religious extremist out there doing his twisted vision of god's work.

[oberliner]

155. Ridiculous statement

"He is the one stirring up the racist hate, bigotry, and homophobia. No one else."

No one else stirs up racist hate, bigotry, and homophobia? Please.