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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:22 PM May 2016

Caitlyn Jenner Experienced ‘Sex Change Regret,’ Might De-Transition, Biographer Says

http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Caitlyn-Jenner-Experienced-Sex-Change-7462964.php

Caitlyn Jenner, who announced her transition from man to woman last year, has considered de-transitioning, the author of a new book about the Kardashian family told TheWrap on Wednesday....

“One source confirmed to me Caitlyn has made whispers of ‘sex change regret,’ hinting she might go back to being Bruce Jenner,” Halperin said.

Halperin said that one long-time friend told him that, while Jenner was “thrilled” to champion transgender issues, the reality TV personality could de-transition “in the next couple years.”

“It hasn’t been easy for Caitlyn, it’s been very hard,” the friend said, according to Halperin. “She’s thrilled she has raised awareness about how transgender people have long been discriminated against but I think there’s a chance she’ll de-transition in the next couple years. I don’t think it would surprise anybody in her inner circle. It has been much harder than she anticipated. My heart goes out to her and I know her true friends will be there to support her on whatever path she chooses.”


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Caitlyn Jenner Experienced ‘Sex Change Regret,’ Might De-Transition, Biographer Says (Original Post) KamaAina May 2016 OP
I guess the operation would be called a..... Hotler May 2016 #1
A big hearty Gman May 2016 #11
OMG, I'm dyin' here...LOL.. monmouth4 May 2016 #16
How about self-deleting Ms. Toad May 2016 #30
+infinity^infinity nt LostOne4Ever May 2016 #34
Snopes it-False LostOne4Ever May 2016 #2
K&R !!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #3
Snopes article does not relate to this marle35 May 2016 #4
Still bullshit pinboy3niner May 2016 #7
But there's nothing to implicate it as BS Gman May 2016 #12
Nothing except Jenner's own words LostOne4Ever May 2016 #23
Well then Gman May 2016 #25
Probably right, but Blue_Tires May 2016 #45
I am beginning to suspect that this author recycled that old story KamaAina May 2016 #46
Until Jenner, herself, comes forth saying as such it is unsubstantiated tabloid gossip LostOne4Ever May 2016 #21
I regret ever hearing about the Kardashian clan Botany May 2016 #5
From your lips to the FSM's ear. KamaAina May 2016 #15
Ditto.......and ugh. eom a kennedy May 2016 #37
Truer words have never been spoken. Bob41213 May 2016 #41
I sometimes wonder if it will ever end. smirkymonkey May 2016 #47
May I gloat? I do not know what they look like or sound like. callous taoboy May 2016 #49
This is not an uncommon thing ripcord May 2016 #6
I believe there was a study on teens that were transgendered Drahthaardogs May 2016 #9
That is called the Desistance MYTH, and it turned out to be wrong LostOne4Ever May 2016 #19
It would not surprise me Drahthaardogs May 2016 #32
Actually, it is INCREDIBLY uncommon LostOne4Ever May 2016 #18
Seriously. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #20
Exactly! From my understanding it is one of the hardest surgeries you can possibly get LostOne4Ever May 2016 #22
Transtrenders cagefreesoylentgreen May 2016 #26
I think dysphoria is indeed a biological issue LostOne4Ever May 2016 #28
:/ cagefreesoylentgreen May 2016 #40
I am sorry you feel that way LostOne4Ever May 2016 #44
There is a subset of people... uriel1972 May 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #8
I don't see how it can resolve any underlying problem. Gman May 2016 #14
Reads like something from The National Enquirer...nt joeybee12 May 2016 #10
If true....maybe it has been deduced Peregrine Took May 2016 #13
Maybe yes, maybe no. Nobody's business but hers. I don't care one way or the other. WillowTree May 2016 #17
I completely agree with this! nt LostOne4Ever May 2016 #24
I would agree too Dorian Gray May 2016 #31
I have a hard time believing this story based on Caitlyn's own actions JI7 May 2016 #27
Best quote from the article's comment section: Ex Lurker May 2016 #29
Oh.. SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #33
only if she promises to go away dembotoz May 2016 #38
We should alert the media. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #39
Ian Halperin is in the Unauthorised Biography business blogslut May 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #43
"bruce"? "he"? "his"? Iggo May 2016 #48

Ms. Toad

(33,766 posts)
30. How about self-deleting
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:20 AM
May 2016

While I think this is just a National Enquirer type article, there's nothing funny about detransitioning.

I know a few transwomen who have returned to living as men because they had such a challenging time being accepted as women that they found living consistent with their biological sex preferable to living their gender identity. This is typically because they did not transition until adult-hood after many of the secondary sex characteristics were so strongly present that they were unable to conform to society's norms for women - and could not afford or chose not to have all of the feminization surgery that Jenner's wealth allowed her to have. Ultimately, for my friends, it was harassment, in large and small ways, that drove the choice - not surgical regrets.

Feeling forced to give in to that kind of pressure to deny who you are is a tragedy - not a cheap joke.

marle35

(172 posts)
4. Snopes article does not relate to this
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

Snopes addressed a story from last year. The SF Gate article is new and from a different source.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. Still bullshit
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

From "the author of a new book" quoting an unattributed "source." Convenient way to drum up more book sales.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
12. But there's nothing to implicate it as BS
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:32 PM
May 2016

Like in the Snopes piece. I still think it is unlikely to be true. But when you're mixed up with the Kardasians anything can happen.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
23. Nothing except Jenner's own words
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016
http://www.advocate.com/caitlyn-jenner/2015/9/09/caitlyn-jenner-deadly-crash-transition-regrets-and-halloween-costume-today

In the wide-ranging interview with Lauer, Jenner discussed the controversy over her selection as winner of the ESPYs’ Arthur Ashe Courage Award, and revealed she has no regrets about no longer living as a man. “There’s nothing more, nothing better in life to wake up in the morning, look at yourself in the mirror, and feel comfortable with yourself and who you are,” she said.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
45. Probably right, but
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

Because his book is about the Kardashians, who have made an self-propagating industry of deceitful, attention whoring publicity stunts, I can't feel the first bit of sympathy for them....

In fact I'd bet that as we speak the Kardashians are scheming a way to make this unauthorized bio work for them...

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
46. I am beginning to suspect that this author recycled that old story
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

like you said, to drum up more book sales. Anyone who would write a book about the Kardashians is sleazy enough to do that.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
21. Until Jenner, herself, comes forth saying as such it is unsubstantiated tabloid gossip
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]And given that she, herself, has said that she has no regrets, I consider any story not directly from her claiming the contrary to be more lies along the line of the link I gave.[/font]

http://www.advocate.com/caitlyn-jenner/2015/9/09/caitlyn-jenner-deadly-crash-transition-regrets-and-halloween-costume-today

In the wide-ranging interview with Lauer, Jenner discussed the controversy over her selection as winner of the ESPYs’ Arthur Ashe Courage Award, and revealed she has no regrets about no longer living as a man. “There’s nothing more, nothing better in life to wake up in the morning, look at yourself in the mirror, and feel comfortable with yourself and who you are,” she said.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
47. I sometimes wonder if it will ever end.
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:38 PM
May 2016

I honestly can't for the life of me understand the appeal and popularity of that family.

callous taoboy

(4,579 posts)
49. May I gloat? I do not know what they look like or sound like.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

I quit this type of popular culture years ago, about the same time reality TeeVee made its ugly appearance.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
9. I believe there was a study on teens that were transgendered
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

and the majority of them transitioned back to their anatomical sex identity within three years. OF course there is a big difference between a 16 year old and a 65 year old.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
19. That is called the Desistance MYTH, and it turned out to be wrong
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-end-of-the-desistance_b_8903690.html


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Pretty much the researchers who ran the study it is based on didn't bother to differentiate between gender non-conforming children, and transgender children.

Just because someone defies gender norms, does not make them transgender.

The children, who actually met the Criteria for gender dysphoria, almost always grew up to be transgender.[/font]

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
32. It would not surprise me
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:41 AM
May 2016

As a scientist myself, I generally have low confidence in many if not most psychological studies. Their internals are usually a mess, many do not apply appropriate statistics with the proper power, p-values are as rare as white buffalo, and blinding is almost never done.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
18. Actually, it is INCREDIBLY uncommon
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]SRS is one of the cosmetic surgeries with the LOWEST degree of regret.

It is about 2% where the average plastic surgery has a regret rate of 65%. Further, the rate of regret for SRS is comparable to those people who have had Lap-Band surgery. Now how often have you heard regret stories for gastric bypass surgery?[/font]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html

Act_of_Reparation

(9,071 posts)
20. Seriously.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016

No doctor will perform an SRS on a whim. So much time is spent exploring other options that those who eventually do get SRS are those who really need it.

People tend to view SRS as if it were some kind of elective cosmetic surgery, like a face life or rhinoplasty. Obviously, it isn't.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
22. Exactly! From my understanding it is one of the hardest surgeries you can possibly get
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
May 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]It requires countless hours of therapy, and living as ones "target sex" FULL TIME for over a years. Not to mention painful laser hair removal on both your face and genitals.

The medical establishment doesn't want to just let anyone off the street undergo costly and permanent surgery that will leave them completely sterile for the rest of their lives.

This is a serious and life altering decision, no legit doctor is just going to put a rubber stamp on it and risk losing their license.

Thanks for the supportive reply and sorry for the mini-rant, but this (trans and LGBTQ rights...not Caitlyn Jenner) is one of my pet issues [/font]

26. Transtrenders
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:49 AM
May 2016

There seems to be a certain subset of people (teens mainly) who seem to believe that being trans is a fashion statement, and attack anyone who thinks you need a medical diagnosis for dysphoria to be "abelist" and "truscum." They love to say, "You don't need dysphoria to be trans!" Having struggled with (properly diagnosed) dysphoria, I find this attitude insulting, and IMO, they make actual trans people look bad.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
28. I think dysphoria is indeed a biological issue
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:56 AM
May 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]But when you use the term "trans" I am not quite sure where you are coming from. Do you mean Transsexual, or transgender? Or do you see the two words as synonyms?

I ask because my answer will vary depending on how you define those two words.

With regards to Transsexual, I feel that anyone who is willing to go/or has already gone through all the medical and psychological procedures to change their gender, they are transsexual. I can't imagine someone willing to do that, and to face the discrimination that comes with that unless they were dysphoric.[/font]]

DSMV definition of Gender Dysphoria for the curious:

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/lostlink247365/DSM_zpsaqdfwmyd.png



[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Transgender, on the other hand, I define as an umbrella term to describe any person who identifies as a gender different from their assigned one. This includes transsexuals, agender, bigender, two spirit, genderfluid, female identifying crossdressers, crossdreamers/AGPs, genderqueer, and many others. I do feel this particular designation does NOT requires dysphoria.

I base my opinions on articles like these:

http://geneq.berkeley.edu/lgbt_resources_definiton_of_terms#transgender

http://www.hrc.org/resources/glossary-of-terms?_ga=1.235352133.535041075.1463036586

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/not-all-trans-folks-dysphoria/

http://www.crossdreamers.com/2013/12/truscum-and-transgender-war-of-words.html

http://thefeministwire.com/2013/07/checking-our-privilege-working-together-notes-on-virtual-trans-communities-truscum-blogs-and-the-politics-of-transgender-health-care/

I, also, don't believe in invalidating people's identities by calling them either transtrenders, or truscum.[/font]




40. :/
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

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Your post reminds me of why I hate identity politics. These fine toothed semantics you insist on is one of the things that made my social anxiety unbearable and kept me from acknowledging my gender dysphoria for four decades. I'm not going to answer your question.

And if you think truscum is an identity, I'm not sure if you know that it's actually a pejorative. "Truscum" is an insult hurled by self-described "tucutes." "Truscum" believe that you need an actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria to be transgender. Tucutes accuse truscum of "gatekeeping" and believe that gender dysphoria is not required to be trans, and reject therapy.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
44. I am sorry you feel that way
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]But you aren't the only one who was in denial about their own dysphoria for decades*, nor who has been harmed by identity politics. That is why I am careful with my words.

And the final sentence of my post was me pointing out that "transtrender" and "truscum" are both pejoratives and saying I wouldn't use either to describe someone.

Not the latter to describe the people who tend to call themselves "transmedicalists" nor the former which is used to deny the existence of like me* by calling us "Transtrenders."

So, yes I am aware of what you believe. I just disagree with it. I see it as identity policing. One doesn't need a doctor to tell a person they are transgender or not. Transgender is an umbrella term for a whole slew of identities many of which don't require "dysphoria."

Transsexual, on the other hand, is a term for one who chooses to transition.[/font]


*For the record if you define gender dysphoria as it is in the DSM V then I personally fit 3-4 conditions listed and have, at times, experienced distress from it. This is what is needed to be diagnosed with GD.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
35. There is a subset of people...
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:34 AM
May 2016

Who think all trans/dysphoria people are just delusional/ following a trend/ making it all up.
I'm thinking the high suicide rates of those with dysphoria and seeking to transition says otherwise.
It ISN'T a fashion statement, it isn't a myth and it is bloody hard to live with.
Teens explore things and can be downright aggravating, I'm not so down on them. It's those who make the lives of trans/dysphoria people unsafe and so hellish to the point of driving them to kill themselves that I have the problem with.

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Gman

(24,780 posts)
14. I don't see how it can resolve any underlying problem.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:35 PM
May 2016

When self image probably still doesn't match what they want. But I know nothing about this topic.

Peregrine Took

(7,404 posts)
13. If true....maybe it has been deduced
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

that being a woman is a lot harder than wearing stilettos and getting dressed up.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
17. Maybe yes, maybe no. Nobody's business but hers. I don't care one way or the other.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:00 PM
May 2016

I just don't want to have to hear about her all the time anymore. Enough already!

Dorian Gray

(13,453 posts)
31. I would agree too
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:40 AM
May 2016

but she's hitched her train to the Kardashian family, and it's kind of difficult not to watch every single fucking thing she does (from drinking a Starbucks to transitioning from being a man to a woman) through the media lens.

Ex Lurker

(3,806 posts)
29. Best quote from the article's comment section:
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:31 AM
May 2016

"I'll bet the woman he killed in the car crash would like to "de-transition" back from being dead..."

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JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,232 posts)
39. We should alert the media.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

Oh, too late, Jenner and the Kardashians have the media on constant high alert status.

I wonder if this de-transition will take place before or after the nude photos for Sports Illustrated ... never mind, it will take place after the check clears.

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