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Wed May 11, 2016, 07:22 PM

 

Caitlyn Jenner Experienced ‘Sex Change Regret,’ Might De-Transition, Biographer Says

http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Caitlyn-Jenner-Experienced-Sex-Change-7462964.php

Caitlyn Jenner, who announced her transition from man to woman last year, has considered de-transitioning, the author of a new book about the Kardashian family told TheWrap on Wednesday....

“One source confirmed to me Caitlyn has made whispers of ‘sex change regret,’ hinting she might go back to being Bruce Jenner,” Halperin said.

Halperin said that one long-time friend told him that, while Jenner was “thrilled” to champion transgender issues, the reality TV personality could de-transition “in the next couple years.”

“It hasn’t been easy for Caitlyn, it’s been very hard,” the friend said, according to Halperin. “She’s thrilled she has raised awareness about how transgender people have long been discriminated against but I think there’s a chance she’ll de-transition in the next couple years. I don’t think it would surprise anybody in her inner circle. It has been much harder than she anticipated. My heart goes out to her and I know her true friends will be there to support her on whatever path she chooses.”


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Reply Caitlyn Jenner Experienced ‘Sex Change Regret,’ Might De-Transition, Biographer Says (Original post)
KamaAina May 2016 OP
Hotler May 2016 #1
Gman May 2016 #11
monmouth4 May 2016 #16
Ms. Toad May 2016 #30
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #34
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #2
RKP5637 May 2016 #3
marle35 May 2016 #4
pinboy3niner May 2016 #7
Gman May 2016 #12
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #23
Gman May 2016 #25
Blue_Tires May 2016 #45
KamaAina May 2016 #46
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #21
Botany May 2016 #5
KamaAina May 2016 #15
a kennedy May 2016 #37
Bob41213 May 2016 #41
smirkymonkey May 2016 #47
callous taoboy May 2016 #49
ripcord May 2016 #6
Drahthaardogs May 2016 #9
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #19
Drahthaardogs May 2016 #32
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #18
Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #20
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #22
cagefreesoylentgreen May 2016 #26
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #28
cagefreesoylentgreen May 2016 #40
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #44
uriel1972 May 2016 #35
Name removed May 2016 #8
Gman May 2016 #14
joeybee12 May 2016 #10
Peregrine Took May 2016 #13
WillowTree May 2016 #17
LostOne4Ever May 2016 #24
Dorian Gray May 2016 #31
JI7 May 2016 #27
Ex Lurker May 2016 #29
SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #36
Name removed May 2016 #33
dembotoz May 2016 #38
JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #39
blogslut May 2016 #42
Post removed May 2016 #43
Iggo May 2016 #48

Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:27 PM

1. I guess the operation would be called a.....

Addadicktome. OK spank me...... Please

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Response to Hotler (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:27 PM

11. A big hearty

LMAO!

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Response to Hotler (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 09:45 PM

16. OMG, I'm dyin' here...LOL..

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Response to Hotler (Reply #1)

Thu May 12, 2016, 05:20 AM

30. How about self-deleting

While I think this is just a National Enquirer type article, there's nothing funny about detransitioning.

I know a few transwomen who have returned to living as men because they had such a challenging time being accepted as women that they found living consistent with their biological sex preferable to living their gender identity. This is typically because they did not transition until adult-hood after many of the secondary sex characteristics were so strongly present that they were unable to conform to society's norms for women - and could not afford or chose not to have all of the feminization surgery that Jenner's wealth allowed her to have. Ultimately, for my friends, it was harassment, in large and small ways, that drove the choice - not surgical regrets.

Feeling forced to give in to that kind of pressure to deny who you are is a tragedy - not a cheap joke.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #30)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:01 AM

34. +infinity^infinity nt

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:28 PM

2. Snopes it-False

http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/jennergender.asp

Claim: Caitlyn Jenner announced that she regrets becoming female and will transition back to male.

FALSE

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:34 PM

3. K&R !!!!!!!!!!! n/t

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:40 PM

4. Snopes article does not relate to this

Snopes addressed a story from last year. The SF Gate article is new and from a different source.

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Response to marle35 (Reply #4)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:51 PM

7. Still bullshit

From "the author of a new book" quoting an unattributed "source." Convenient way to drum up more book sales.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:32 PM

12. But there's nothing to implicate it as BS

Like in the Snopes piece. I still think it is unlikely to be true. But when you're mixed up with the Kardasians anything can happen.

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Response to Gman (Reply #12)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:39 PM

23. Nothing except Jenner's own words

http://www.advocate.com/caitlyn-jenner/2015/9/09/caitlyn-jenner-deadly-crash-transition-regrets-and-halloween-costume-today

In the wide-ranging interview with Lauer, Jenner discussed the controversy over her selection as winner of the ESPYs’ Arthur Ashe Courage Award, and revealed she has no regrets about no longer living as a man. “There’s nothing more, nothing better in life to wake up in the morning, look at yourself in the mirror, and feel comfortable with yourself and who you are,” she said.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #23)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:43 PM

25. Well then

There you go. That should settle it.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Thu May 12, 2016, 10:44 AM

45. Probably right, but

Because his book is about the Kardashians, who have made an self-propagating industry of deceitful, attention whoring publicity stunts, I can't feel the first bit of sympathy for them....

In fact I'd bet that as we speak the Kardashians are scheming a way to make this unauthorized bio work for them...

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Thu May 12, 2016, 11:55 AM

46. I am beginning to suspect that this author recycled that old story

 

like you said, to drum up more book sales. Anyone who would write a book about the Kardashians is sleazy enough to do that.

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Response to marle35 (Reply #4)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:25 PM

21. Until Jenner, herself, comes forth saying as such it is unsubstantiated tabloid gossip

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]And given that she, herself, has said that she has no regrets, I consider any story not directly from her claiming the contrary to be more lies along the line of the link I gave.[/font]

http://www.advocate.com/caitlyn-jenner/2015/9/09/caitlyn-jenner-deadly-crash-transition-regrets-and-halloween-costume-today

In the wide-ranging interview with Lauer, Jenner discussed the controversy over her selection as winner of the ESPYs’ Arthur Ashe Courage Award, and revealed she has no regrets about no longer living as a man. “There’s nothing more, nothing better in life to wake up in the morning, look at yourself in the mirror, and feel comfortable with yourself and who you are,” she said.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:41 PM

5. I regret ever hearing about the Kardashian clan

They need to go away

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Wed May 11, 2016, 09:26 PM

15. From your lips to the FSM's ear.

 

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:16 AM

37. Ditto.......and ugh. eom

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:42 AM

41. Truer words have never been spoken.

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:38 PM

47. I sometimes wonder if it will ever end.

I honestly can't for the life of me understand the appeal and popularity of that family.

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Thu May 12, 2016, 05:42 PM

49. May I gloat? I do not know what they look like or sound like.

I quit this type of popular culture years ago, about the same time reality TeeVee made its ugly appearance.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:48 PM

6. This is not an uncommon thing

That is the reason so much counseling goes along with a sex change.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #6)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:04 PM

9. I believe there was a study on teens that were transgendered

and the majority of them transitioned back to their anatomical sex identity within three years. OF course there is a big difference between a 16 year old and a 65 year old.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #9)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:08 PM

19. That is called the Desistance MYTH, and it turned out to be wrong

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-end-of-the-desistance_b_8903690.html


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Pretty much the researchers who ran the study it is based on didn't bother to differentiate between gender non-conforming children, and transgender children.

Just because someone defies gender norms, does not make them transgender.

The children, who actually met the Criteria for gender dysphoria, almost always grew up to be transgender.[/font]

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #19)

Thu May 12, 2016, 05:41 AM

32. It would not surprise me

As a scientist myself, I generally have low confidence in many if not most psychological studies. Their internals are usually a mess, many do not apply appropriate statistics with the proper power, p-values are as rare as white buffalo, and blinding is almost never done.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #6)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:01 PM

18. Actually, it is INCREDIBLY uncommon

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]SRS is one of the cosmetic surgeries with the LOWEST degree of regret.

It is about 2% where the average plastic surgery has a regret rate of 65%. Further, the rate of regret for SRS is comparable to those people who have had Lap-Band surgery. Now how often have you heard regret stories for gastric bypass surgery?[/font]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #18)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:19 PM

20. Seriously.

No doctor will perform an SRS on a whim. So much time is spent exploring other options that those who eventually do get SRS are those who really need it.

People tend to view SRS as if it were some kind of elective cosmetic surgery, like a face life or rhinoplasty. Obviously, it isn't.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #20)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:37 PM

22. Exactly! From my understanding it is one of the hardest surgeries you can possibly get

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]It requires countless hours of therapy, and living as ones "target sex" FULL TIME for over a years. Not to mention painful laser hair removal on both your face and genitals.

The medical establishment doesn't want to just let anyone off the street undergo costly and permanent surgery that will leave them completely sterile for the rest of their lives.

This is a serious and life altering decision, no legit doctor is just going to put a rubber stamp on it and risk losing their license.

Thanks for the supportive reply and sorry for the mini-rant, but this (trans and LGBTQ rights...not Caitlyn Jenner) is one of my pet issues [/font]

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #22)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:49 AM

26. Transtrenders

There seems to be a certain subset of people (teens mainly) who seem to believe that being trans is a fashion statement, and attack anyone who thinks you need a medical diagnosis for dysphoria to be "abelist" and "truscum." They love to say, "You don't need dysphoria to be trans!" Having struggled with (properly diagnosed) dysphoria, I find this attitude insulting, and IMO, they make actual trans people look bad.

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #26)

Thu May 12, 2016, 02:56 AM

28. I think dysphoria is indeed a biological issue

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]But when you use the term "trans" I am not quite sure where you are coming from. Do you mean Transsexual, or transgender? Or do you see the two words as synonyms?

I ask because my answer will vary depending on how you define those two words.

With regards to Transsexual, I feel that anyone who is willing to go/or has already gone through all the medical and psychological procedures to change their gender, they are transsexual. I can't imagine someone willing to do that, and to face the discrimination that comes with that unless they were dysphoric.[/font]]

DSMV definition of Gender Dysphoria for the curious:

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/lostlink247365/DSM_zpsaqdfwmyd.png



[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Transgender, on the other hand, I define as an umbrella term to describe any person who identifies as a gender different from their assigned one. This includes transsexuals, agender, bigender, two spirit, genderfluid, female identifying crossdressers, crossdreamers/AGPs, genderqueer, and many others. I do feel this particular designation does NOT requires dysphoria.

I base my opinions on articles like these:

http://geneq.berkeley.edu/lgbt_resources_definiton_of_terms#transgender

http://www.hrc.org/resources/glossary-of-terms?_ga=1.235352133.535041075.1463036586

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/not-all-trans-folks-dysphoria/

http://www.crossdreamers.com/2013/12/truscum-and-transgender-war-of-words.html

http://thefeministwire.com/2013/07/checking-our-privilege-working-together-notes-on-virtual-trans-communities-truscum-blogs-and-the-politics-of-transgender-health-care/

I, also, don't believe in invalidating people's identities by calling them either transtrenders, or truscum.[/font]




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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #28)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:24 AM

40. :/

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Your post reminds me of why I hate identity politics. These fine toothed semantics you insist on is one of the things that made my social anxiety unbearable and kept me from acknowledging my gender dysphoria for four decades. I'm not going to answer your question.

And if you think truscum is an identity, I'm not sure if you know that it's actually a pejorative. "Truscum" is an insult hurled by self-described "tucutes." "Truscum" believe that you need an actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria to be transgender. Tucutes accuse truscum of "gatekeeping" and believe that gender dysphoria is not required to be trans, and reject therapy.

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #40)

Thu May 12, 2016, 10:31 AM

44. I am sorry you feel that way

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]But you aren't the only one who was in denial about their own dysphoria for decades*, nor who has been harmed by identity politics. That is why I am careful with my words.

And the final sentence of my post was me pointing out that "transtrender" and "truscum" are both pejoratives and saying I wouldn't use either to describe someone.

Not the latter to describe the people who tend to call themselves "transmedicalists" nor the former which is used to deny the existence of like me* by calling us "Transtrenders."

So, yes I am aware of what you believe. I just disagree with it. I see it as identity policing. One doesn't need a doctor to tell a person they are transgender or not. Transgender is an umbrella term for a whole slew of identities many of which don't require "dysphoria."

Transsexual, on the other hand, is a term for one who chooses to transition.[/font]


*For the record if you define gender dysphoria as it is in the DSM V then I personally fit 3-4 conditions listed and have, at times, experienced distress from it. This is what is needed to be diagnosed with GD.

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #26)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:34 AM

35. There is a subset of people...

Who think all trans/dysphoria people are just delusional/ following a trend/ making it all up.
I'm thinking the high suicide rates of those with dysphoria and seeking to transition says otherwise.
It ISN'T a fashion statement, it isn't a myth and it is bloody hard to live with.
Teens explore things and can be downright aggravating, I'm not so down on them. It's those who make the lives of trans/dysphoria people unsafe and so hellish to the point of driving them to kill themselves that I have the problem with.

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Wed May 11, 2016, 08:35 PM

14. I don't see how it can resolve any underlying problem.

When self image probably still doesn't match what they want. But I know nothing about this topic.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:05 PM

10. Reads like something from The National Enquirer...nt

 

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:33 PM

13. If true....maybe it has been deduced

that being a woman is a lot harder than wearing stilettos and getting dressed up.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:00 PM

17. Maybe yes, maybe no. Nobody's business but hers. I don't care one way or the other.

I just don't want to have to hear about her all the time anymore. Enough already!

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #17)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:40 PM

24. I completely agree with this! nt

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #17)

Thu May 12, 2016, 05:40 AM

31. I would agree too

but she's hitched her train to the Kardashian family, and it's kind of difficult not to watch every single fucking thing she does (from drinking a Starbucks to transitioning from being a man to a woman) through the media lens.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:52 AM

27. I have a hard time believing this story based on Caitlyn's own actions

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 04:31 AM

29. Best quote from the article's comment section:


"I'll bet the woman he killed in the car crash would like to "de-transition" back from being dead..."

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Response to Ex Lurker (Reply #29)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:00 AM

36. Oh..

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:01 AM

38. only if she promises to go away

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:13 AM

39. We should alert the media.

Oh, too late, Jenner and the Kardashians have the media on constant high alert status.

I wonder if this de-transition will take place before or after the nude photos for Sports Illustrated ... never mind, it will take place after the check clears.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:48 AM

42. Ian Halperin is in the Unauthorised Biography business

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Thu May 12, 2016, 02:29 PM

48. "bruce"? "he"? "his"?

Just a friendly goodbye.

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