GOP Election Fraud in Wisconsin

[FarLeftFist]

Looks like the telephone number used in the election fraud robocall from this morning that told people who signed the recall petition to stay home is a GOP party number.

Wisconsin Republicans are saying they are not behind a voter fraud allegation tied to a phone number registered to the party.
In her letter to the GAB, Taylor said that the calls regarding the petition signatures came from a Madison-area phone number.

A call placed to that number came back with a voicemail saying the caller had reached the Wisconsin Republican Party...

The phone number is not the main listed number of the state GOP. The phone is used by the GOP for phone-bank purposes, including recent phone banks for the Tuesday recall.

Th rest: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/05/1097666/-GOP-voter-fraud-in-Wisconsin

[GarroHorus]

1. I hope that Wisconsin has a law about this sort of thing

Somebody needs to pay for those dirty tricks.

[Tushon]

2. Given their current state of fundraising rules

I think someone already did

[GarroHorus]

3. LOL n/t

[Kurovski]

31. It's called "A Koch and a Smile".

[freshwest]

4. Nothing will be done.

[hamsterjill]

6. Nothing ever gets done in cases like this.

Would be refreshing to see something actually come of these types of fraud, but nothing does. Too hard to prove. The only effective counter measure is to make sure that voters are well-informed and KNOW when and where to vote, etc.

[jsmirman]

7. I spoke to a voter who actually received one of these calls

I told her she should report it.

She was a real person - these *&^%## really did this.

In retrospect, looking at the results, it reminds me of Nixon and Watergate, where an election was going to be won handily, no matter what, but the overall paranoia and fact that "this was just how they did things" led to a totally unnecessary illegal act and the Nixon admin's ultimate downfall...

One can only dream...

[hamsterjill]

8. I will dream with you.

I have no doubt that these calls were made. I have no doubt that they were made purposely, and that it isn't right that they were made.

I will dream with you that one of these days just maybe someone can outsmart the jerks who do these types of things. It would be nice to have a fair playing field, after all.

[Kurovski]

32. people have been convicted for this.

I'm suprised people don't know this.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=convicted+for+robocalls&qs=n&form=QBLH&pc=BNHP&pq=convicted+for+robocalls&sc=0-14&sp=-1&sk=

[hamsterjill]

33. Looks like two individuals, right?

Julius Henson and Paul E. Schurick?

Interesting, and "no", I wasn't aware.

But I still doubt that there will be anything done in this particular instance. Again, it would be refreshing to see something come of it, but I just don't think there will be.

Thanks for the information!

[Kurovski]

35. I believe it happened in Florida and elsewhere as well. it's not unheard of.

I suppose citizen complaints in the right place may help.

[HiPointDem]

11. +1. the money men don't want it.

[sabrina 1]

24. True, but if Democrats were doing, something would definitely be done. The media would be all over

it and Boehner would be screaming for Congressional and DOJ investigations. That is a crime, the very essence of a democracy is its electoral system and anyone who knowingly undermines anyone's right to vote should be serve a long time in prison.

But even here on DU, we are told to ignore these things. That is why we lose.

[freshwest]

25. Yet, I said something about it an another thread and the poster trashed Democrats as the crooks.

That old false equivalency again:

I don't know if we're getting an influx of Walker trolls or not, distorting the results.

Several claimed a large percentage of union voters, who this election was said to be about, voted for Walker. The only one to provide a link got this response when I went to it:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/wisconsin-recall-results,

And a few people who haven't posted since forever have returned to tell us how all how stupid we are. I really don't know what's going on today.



There is the thread with the article by Paul Krugman, and I think it was good.

[ananda]

5. There should be a law..

nt

[Pavlo]

9. Why didn't Obama support Tom Barrett?

did he know something that we did not. Seems many in our own party threw their support to
walker. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/wisconsin-recall-results, Does anyone know
why? With all the money spent seems to me that it could of been put to a better use.

[monmouth]

10. Thanks for your concern...n/t

[freshwest]

13. Pavlo, your link says: 'Oh, No's! A 404! and has a pic of an unhappy guy.

Is this a joke you're making?

No one has come up with the stats of all the union people they are claiming voted for Walker, and you are the fourth newbie who's made that claim.

None of the others have responded when people have asked for a link.

Please repost the correct link.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

14. Is there another wage-lowering, anti-union, free-trade agreement in the works at the Federal level?

[truedelphi]

15. Are you forgetting that Pres Obama took the time

To tweet about the WI election!

And he is willing to hear from the citizens here in Calif. - as long as we remember to call the WH before 2Pm Eastern time.

He's a busy man - so many galas to attend, so many Monsanto appointees to confer with.

[chknltl]

19. odd question and observation sequence.

This same odd question and observation sequence was repeated commonly by callers on Thom Hartmann and Ed Shultz radio programs today. First off, President Obama made his own political decision as to how best to support the Dems in Wi. I have not heard any regrets as to our presidents methods of support from the Wi. Democratic party so far. Do you suppose the right wing is fishing for a wedge issue here? That'd be my guess-especially when so many right wing 'concern trolls' are trying to get good use out of this right wing talking point too. It makes a great bit of anti-Obama propaganda, an erosion to his base...see how that works?

Next, your reference to 'all the money spent'... Not sure how you missed it but were you aware that we DEMS were outspent 8 to 1 in Wisconsin. Do you have ANY doubts my fellow DUer, that had we been able to fight this campaign on an equal financial basis that the outcome would be much different? So would you suggest with hindsight, that we should have spent less or invested money we simply did not have in that campaign. If you feel the money spent by we dems in that particular campaign could have been better used elsewhere...well this would make for an interesting OP here in the DU. ,one I urge you to post.

Look, this is my opinion and mine alone: Democracy in America, that thing countless thousands of our citizens fought and died for-fought and died to protect, is being wrested from WE THE PEOPLE by BIG MONEY, (corporate and likely foreign government money to be more precise). What went on in Wisconsin with BIG MONEY having more power over that election than the actual will of an informed electorate is the true story here. The real enemy is there, plain for all to see. Our very democracy was hit and hit damned hard in Wisconsin! WE THE PEOPLE need a spotlight on this in order to be the 'informed electorate' that our democracy requires if it is to survive!

This is not about the right or the left, democrats or republicans, this is about BIG MONEY destroying OUR democracy! Propagandists do not want us seeing that, they want us instead to fight with each other, a 'divided we FAIL' strategy. They do not want you to know about the 8 to 1 advantage the corporate finances had over the citizens of Wisconsin in this fight.

IMHO it dishonors the brave fight fought by our fellow Americans in the campaign in Wisconsin when we question the use of what little resources they had to work with considering the BIG MONEY MONSTER they valiantly went up against.
End of rant,
Welcome to the Democratic Underground.

[2pooped2pop]

20. many in our own party

are not on our side either. Sadly so.

[Pavlo]

26. That's not the link I wanted to use

The one I had picked out was voters by county and how many progressives had in fact voted for Walker. I must look for it again but it clearly showed that a progressive state voted for Scott Walker. A complete shame that our president did not back this election when many hard working union members across the country, progressive individuals, and the National Democrat Party supported the removal of Scott Walker.
Our Fund raising president can talk the talk but does not care walk the walk. I think he knew the outcome and did not want to appear on the losing end. That is what a coward does.
Please don't confuse me being a newbie with anything other than I don't have as much to say as you, do nor do I take each and every opportunity voice a thought that is bouncing around in
my skull. Please take your wedge and stick it where your mundane generic comments leak out.
I like to think for myself and and do not get involved in group thought for group ego stroking approval.

[SunsetDreams]

27. Oh Ok. Actually Scott Walker Recall: Obama Campaign Gets Involved

President Barack Obama's re-election campaign is jumping into the Wisconsin recall, focusing on educating and registering voters in advance of the June 5 election.

Tripp Wellde, the Wisconsin state director for the Obama campaign, sent an email to supporters on Thursday night to get them fired up to support Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, the Democratic nominee looking to unseat Gov. Scott Walker (R)...

On Saturday, the Obama campaign will be hosting "Own Your Vote" events around the state, described as "organizing phone banks and knocking on doors to make sure Wisconsinites are registered and ready to own their vote on Election Day."

...

In February 2011, Organizing for America (which became Obama for America in the presidential election) also jumped into Wisconsin, helping promote rallies and protests against Walker's attempts to strip collective bargaining rights from public employees. The group helped get out the vote in the state senate recalls last summer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/scott-walker-recall-obama-campaign_n_1508209.html?1337121704

[AllyCat]

28. I'm sorry, but I'm going to be petty here:

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Whenever a Republican and/or disruptor comes here, they call it the "Democrat" party. You are using that same typo. Your second to last sentence is really nasty. Then you call the President a coward.

I think you are a disruptor and this is a forum for Democrats of any stripe to discuss issues. But since you say you like to think for yourself, how about this. I have never wanted Obama here to fight this fight, It is a local fight and I don't see why he should get involved in local politics. He has enough going on. Many other Dems feel I am wrong. What's your take?

Curiously, do you see Walker as a "Fund raising" Governor? Because he spent little time in our state as of late 'cuz he was real busy flying around the country getting large donations from corporate donors.

[abolugi]

30. "Whenever a Republican and/or disruptor comes here, they call it the "Democrat" party"

By George... I think you've got it!!

[Pavlo]

34. First of all

I cut my teeth on Organizing for America back in 2007. I would like to say my efforts to get out the vote help our president get elected. I remained a very active volunteer with the Obama for America. Our organization and many others flooded Wisconsin for weeks, with calls to get out the vote. We were told that the president had our backs and after we laid the ground work, he would be there to bring out the vote. In a big way

This never happened . A 2 second tweet is not the same as appearances and obviously had no effect. For weeks we made calls and reported those results to the to our manager and him to his district manager. We were told many things that never seemed to come to fruition. Many more than just the president would appear and turn out the voters, against Walker.
If It was a local fight why were we and other offices across the country, calling for weeks on end. (We were also doing the same in Pennsylvania, including to giving up our free time to drive to different areas and register voters.) I can't even begin to tell you some of the things that the voters of Wisconsin told me and my fellow interns. A showing from Washington was one thing that we and they expected.

The bottom line our president chose to go to fund raisers in other states. We felt that something was wrong but no one told us anything. The president never showed, the plug was pulled and
we lost, big. Call it what ever you like, his advisers, or the president never show. They knew all along that they were not going to win but did not disseminate that information to the rank and file.

What do you call a leader that does not show up to do battle in the face of adversity. He stood in the back row and watched the very hearts, and minds of his supporters be crushed, while waiting for the big guns. I am sorry that was a chicken shit move and one I would subscribe to a coward and not a leader.

[wial]

12. There were some pretty severe prosecutions in New Hampshire if I recall

Wouldn't it be great if the entire sticky rotten mess that is the Wisconsin GOP got hauled up and tossed onto a rock to die? Figuratively speaking of course.

[dinopipie]

16. Oh yeah so severe that they did it again in WI n/t

[2pooped2pop]

21. yes, figuratively, of course

That's a winking smiley face by the way. lol

[Doctor_J]

23. You mean some fines a few years after the election?

you & I have different definitions of severe.

[dinopipie]

17. If the confessed War Criminals Bush and Cheney get a pass

No one will really give a shit about this.

Its what the GOP does every election.

[Brooklyn Dame]

18. Wisconsin voters went against their own best interests...

...but at least not all was lost since the Rethuglicans lost control of one branch of their government.

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/06/the-lesser-of-two-evils-for-the-best/

[AverageJoe90]

29. And we need to take every gain in stride.

The thing with the Repubs is, many of the extremists whine and bitch nonstop if they fail with even one goal. If we take that same route, we're only asking for trouble in my opinion. Instead, let's try to be grateful for any advances we do make and keep working.

[PatrynXX]

22. thats election fraud. not voter fraud

Election fraud is rampant as everyone but Fox viewers knows. Voter Fraud isn't.