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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:20 PM Apr 2016

Why no voter registration problems among NY Rs?

The NY Republican primary is also closed, and while we know that some R voters - like Trump's kids - didn't know that they needed to change their registration to R back in October to vote in today's NY R primary, we're not hearing the whining that hundreds of NYers registered as Rs had their registration changed to not affiliated.

Why is it that this supposed injustice only affects Ds, and more specifically, Ds who want to vote for Sanders?

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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
5. But that would only effect Sanders voters who had
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

changed their party affiliation by last October. If they're still registered as an Indy they have no right to vote in the D primary.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
6. Again as I have stated before..NY is the earliest of ALL the closed primary states to close
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

registration long before anyone got to know the candidates, their debates, their speeches etc. This is rigged so no new candidates not having coronation by the party can have a chance at bringing in new voters. It's like people have blinders on to this fact.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. I pretend my unsupported allegations are facts too
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

"It's like people have blinders on to this fact..."

I pretend my unsupported allegations are facts too as it's both mentally lazy and requires little discipline or rational thought.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
10. No blinders. The rules are what they are.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

As far as closed primaries, please read the SCOTUS decision in the CA Blanket primary case, where they ruled 7-2 in favor of closed primaries and even questioned the legality of open primaries:

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1999/99-401

"In a 7-2 opinion delivered by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court held that California's blanket primary violates a political party's First Amendment right of association. "Proposition 198 forces political parties to associate with -- to have their nominees, and hence their positions, determined by -- those who, at best, have refused to affiliate with the party, and, at worst, have expressly affiliated with a rival," wrote Justice Antonin Scalia for the majority. "A single election in which the party nominee is selected by nonparty members could be enough to destroy the party." Justice Scalia went on to state for the Court that Proposition 198 takes away a party's "basic function" to choose its own leaders and is functionally "both severe and unnecessary." Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented. "This Court's willingness to invalidate the primary schemes of 3 States and cast serious constitutional doubt on the schemes of 29 others at the parties' behest is," Justice Stevens wrote, "an extraordinary intrusion into the complex and changing election laws of the States."

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
15. Scalia ha ha ha...everyone has a right to vote for whoever they want to and no party
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

should disallow them if they want to vote for a candidate from said party.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
16. Do you not understand that the CJ of the SCOTUS assigns the writing
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

of the majority opinion of the court to who he will? That writer expresses the finding of the court, not himself. It doesn't matter if it's Scalia or a liberal.

Civics 101. Jesus.

msongs

(67,405 posts)
11. because republicans are smarter than the bernie crowd and took a few seconds to learn the procedure?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

Igel

(35,307 posts)
12. Typically, (D) voters have more problems.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

In Florida in 2000 this was clearly the case. Yes, there were sporadic problems in (R) districts, but (D) voters are typically more poor and less educated, (D)-dominated districts are generally less well funded and less well staffed. They tend to have larger populations and so there are simply more things that can go wrong and a larger population for them to go wrong for. There's most of the "problem." You map election problems and district by political affiliation of the BOE or population (they tend to track rather closely) and there's a pretty good correlation, even better when mapping election problems and income or election problems and education level. They all tend to be cross-correlated in fairly uninteresting ways (uninteresting just because there's nothing new or waiting to be explained there; 'uninteresting" does not mean "socially unimportant&quot .


The (R) voters that would be the most outspoken are Trump voters, and we wouldn't notice or remember them. Since we're not likely to notice them (there have been stories about this, by the way, but we didn't much notice or remember them), of course we tend to think they didn't exist. Haven't seen any such stories about NY Trump voters, though. It's unclear that this benefited Cruz or Kasich or whoever and disadvantaged Trump, because Trump voters are just loud and fighting because of a chip on their collective shoulder.

Even in the Phoenix debacle where the primary voting sites were used by both (R) and (D) the long lines were taken to only affect (D). Perhaps (R) voters were ushered to the front of the lines? No. Some of the locations of long lines were in (R)-dominated areas, but, you know, nobody cared. So nobody noticed. So nobody remembers. Making it an anti-(D) problem. And somehow an anti-Bernie problem, although that claim requires a lot more information to even be made.

Meanwhile, Bernie supporters are loud and insistent. They are fighting for their revolution, and any injustice is to be trumpeted. They're about injustice shown to them as they pursue their degrees or media campaign and feel slighted and just won't take it any more. So when there's a problem, the facile news reports are going to over represent them. Since we notice and remember them, though, they loom large in our thinking. No, there's no actual data for how many HRC vs BS voters complained; nor has there been any response to say what went wrong in individual cases, just claims which, in the absence of data, are believed by default.

Result: Only Bernie voters' being wronged is remembered, and therefore they're the only ones wronged.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
13. I didn't notice Ds who are poorer complaining about their
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

NY voter registration. The complaints seem to be coming from a certain demographic that has no connection at all to poor people or the less educated.

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