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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:56 AM Jun 2012

Now A Criminal Offense To Be Homeless In Denver - $1000 Fine And 12 Months In Jail.

The Denver police department is now enforcing a new ordinance that makes it illegal to sleep on public property. If you are caught sleeping on a sidewalk or on any public property in Denver you will be arrested. The penalty for such a violation is $1000 fine and a year in jail. At least you will get some clothes and some food though it may be porridge. Many of the homeless are veterans who fought for nothing.

I am a veteran and I feel like I wasted my time. I feel like our veterans have died for nothing. That is because our country has become a hateful bigoted and mean spirited place.

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Now A Criminal Offense To Be Homeless In Denver - $1000 Fine And 12 Months In Jail. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Jun 2012 OP
Yes it has. Sad K&R Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #1
Perhaps Willard could move some of them to California and let them sleep in his car elevator........ Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #2
this is sickening KT2000 Jun 2012 #2
12 months in jail is 12 months of room and board. Speck Tater Jun 2012 #2
Yep. I think they're going to regret this new regulation. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #29
12 months in jail is 12 months of room and board. Speck Tater Jun 2012 #2
Perhaps Willard could move some of them to California and let them sleep in his car elevator........ Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #2
WoW! Look how many of post #2 there are! The system must have sneezed! nt Speck Tater Jun 2012 #32
Really 1,000 dollars Kalidurga Jun 2012 #7
Now A Criminal Offense To Be Homeless In Denver - $1000 Fine And 12 Months In Jail. Burke36 Jun 2012 #8
In this era of for-profit, privately run prisons, it makes more and more (evil) sense. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #9
This ordiinance seems blatantly unconstitutional and, even if held to pass coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #10
But a number of U.S. cities still have them. xmas74 Jun 2012 #18
Disgusting. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #11
Just looking out for peoples retirements. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #12
How many Americans can not come up with one thousand dollars while not homeless? SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #13
The story since OP provided no link. jp11 Jun 2012 #14
I'm afraid to ask how they expect them to cough up $1,000 magical thyme Jun 2012 #15
at least the Prison Industrial Complex will have plenty of tenants. stlsaxman Jun 2012 #16
Which will cost the city a LOT more than $1,000 - What morons!! smirkymonkey Jun 2012 #21
Every homeless person should move to Denver. Free room & board, and refuse to do labor in jail. Zalatix Jun 2012 #17
I've always felt our veterans have fought and died for nothing lunatica Jun 2012 #19
I doubt it will hold up in court. Sleeping on public property when there Mairead Jun 2012 #20
We will now have Work houses for the Poor. DearAbby Jun 2012 #22
+1 ... my thoughts exactly firehorse Jun 2012 #23
And I am sure they will privately owned prisons. SalviaBlue Jun 2012 #25
My exact thought Catherina Jun 2012 #27
Well, that will show them...how incredibly stupid the local government is. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #24
Well, they won't be homeless anymore jeff47 Jun 2012 #26
I don't recognize the law. Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #28
Just think more optimisticly... $1000 for a 12mo rent payment (all utilities & food inclusive) OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #30
So all a homeless person has to do in order to get a roof over their head is...um...be homeless? truebrit71 Jun 2012 #31
more of this coming. more homeless, & more of the upper middle class supporting punitive HiPointDem Jun 2012 #33
The only reasonable thing to do now is have massive "Sleep Ins" Taitertots Jun 2012 #34
It would be Tienanmen Square all over again. hifiguy Jun 2012 #35
Criminalizing homelessness. Awful. nt BlueIris Jun 2012 #36
It's a Shame FangLee Apr 2014 #37

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
2. this is sickening
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:08 AM
Jun 2012

today I realized that the conservatives are never satisfied until they have exacted degradation and humiliation of those they consider less than themselves. Mean spirited is right.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
2. 12 months in jail is 12 months of room and board.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:08 AM
Jun 2012

It wouldn't surprise me if some street people wouldn't prefer a warm cell and a hot meal to a frozen cardboard box and cold dumpster french fries. If I was cold and homeless in Denver, personally, I'd probably prefer rooms and board in a jail.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
29. Yep. I think they're going to regret this new regulation.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jun 2012

It will cost them a small fortune to house them, not to mention tying up the courts with their cases, which will also cost a ton of money.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
2. 12 months in jail is 12 months of room and board.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:08 AM
Jun 2012

It wouldn't surprise me if some street people wouldn't prefer a warm cell and a hot meal to a frozen cardboard box and cold dumpster french fries. If I was cold and homeless in Denver, personally, I'd probably prefer rooms and board in a jail.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
10. This ordiinance seems blatantly unconstitutional and, even if held to pass
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:56 AM
Jun 2012

constitutional muster, to be constantly prone to abuse by the police and prosecutors.

Specifically, if you are taking a lunch break on city property and napping during your lunch break, will you be arrested for violating said ordinance? I highly doubt it.

I thought the US Supreme Court had thrown out vagrancy ordinances many years ago.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
18. But a number of U.S. cities still have them.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:51 AM
Jun 2012

I live in a smaller town in Missouri and we have one. Technically, you must have enough money in your pocket for a motel room for one night or you can be arrested for vagrancy. Does it happen? Rarely, though I have heard that a few homeless persons in the area are actually approaching officers and informing them that they are violating vagrancy laws-especially on nights of extreme weather.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
12. Just looking out for peoples retirements.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:41 AM
Jun 2012

Investors can count on increased profits from many sectors with the ever higher victimization of the least among us. It's that individual push for money above any convictions that helps them flourish so grandly.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
13. How many Americans can not come up with one thousand dollars while not homeless?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:55 AM
Jun 2012

Just how does a homeless person come by that kinda cash, to pay this fine?

And a year in jail? What is the cost to taxpayers?


Simply brilliant!

Very empathetic of Denver.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
15. I'm afraid to ask how they expect them to cough up $1,000
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:19 AM
Jun 2012

I can only imagine the slave labor they will extract.

At least it gives them room and board for a year. If only they could wrap their stupid heads around what they are doing...

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
16. at least the Prison Industrial Complex will have plenty of tenants.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:40 AM
Jun 2012

gotta put the homeless somewhere- might as well be prison.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. Which will cost the city a LOT more than $1,000 - What morons!!
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:27 PM
Jun 2012

I wonder, after their prison term is up, do they then throw them in debtor's prison for not being able to cough up the original fine?

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
17. Every homeless person should move to Denver. Free room & board, and refuse to do labor in jail.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:14 AM
Jun 2012

That'll BANKRUPT the entire state's prison-industrial complex overnight. To say nothing of Denver itself.

I don't get why people don't see and take advantage of these OBVIOUS easy exploits.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
19. I've always felt our veterans have fought and died for nothing
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:58 AM
Jun 2012

But that's the way us anti-war types think. It isn't the soldiers who start these wars or who end them, but they do pay a very high price whether they get killed in wars or not.

 

Mairead

(9,557 posts)
20. I doubt it will hold up in court. Sleeping on public property when there
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:21 AM
Jun 2012

are no other options is virtually political speech, and thus protected.

It doesn't make the lawmakers any less odious, of course.

firehorse

(755 posts)
23. +1 ... my thoughts exactly
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jun 2012

When was the last time sleeping was a crime? Why is being homeless a crime?

Turning homeless into criminals is the first step before turning them indentured slave laborers.

 

Woody Woodpecker

(562 posts)
28. I don't recognize the law.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jun 2012

Sorry - but homeless have to have a place to stay.

Civic Center Park is going through renovation, but there's a park across the street near the Capitol and it's best to send a very loud message to the idiots in the Capitol.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
30. Just think more optimisticly... $1000 for a 12mo rent payment (all utilities & food inclusive)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:51 PM
Jun 2012

On a more serious note, most veterans of foreign wars fought/fight to make OTHER countries a better place - not necessarily our own country. Unless you are referring to US veterans of civil or revolutionary wars... in which case, not many are around to really have an oinion on America in 2012.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
31. So all a homeless person has to do in order to get a roof over their head is...um...be homeless?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jun 2012

What kind of stupid-ass fuckwad moron thought this was a good idea..??

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
33. more of this coming. more homeless, & more of the upper middle class supporting punitive
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jun 2012

measures that effectively guarantee the poor are criminalized & can never return to "normal" society.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
34. The only reasonable thing to do now is have massive "Sleep Ins"
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jun 2012

The country is in the shitter, but there are still millions of us holding out for a better world. You only fought for nothing if we all give up and submit to the hateful and bigoted.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. It would be Tienanmen Square all over again.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:10 PM
Jun 2012

And do not think for a minute it would be otherwise if push came to shove.

FangLee

(1 post)
37. It's a Shame
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:19 PM
Apr 2014

It's an absurd to criminalize the homeless! They are feeling bad because their guilty is upon them. They're trying to cover the misery and relieve their consciousness by dragging the poor out of the streets. This way, they won't see the poverty or feel bad about the fact they have what the poor don't have but are too selfish to help them!!!

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