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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:57 PM Mar 2016

America, you’re stupid: Donald Trump’s political triumph makes it official- we’re a nation of idiots

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/24/america_youre_stupid_donald_trumps_political_triumph_makes_it_official_were_a_nation_of_idiots/

Trump won again in Nevada on Tuesday night, by a massive margin, and he may well sweep the Super Tuesday states. If that happens, and it’s the most probable outcome at this point, the race is effectively over. Trump will have won the nomination of one our two major parties, and he’ll have done it with extraordinary ease.

I hate to have to say it, but the conclusion stares us in the face: We’re a stupid country, full of loud, illiterate and credulous people. Trump has marched straight to the nomination without offering anything like a platform or a plan. With a vocabulary of roughly a dozen words – wall, Mexicans, low-energy, loser, Muslims, stupid, China, negotiate, deals, America, great, again – he’s bamboozled millions of Americans. And it’s not just splenetic conservatives supporting Trump or your garden-variety bigots (although that’s the center of his coalition), it’s also independents, pro-choice Republicans, and a subset of Reagan Democrats.

This says something profoundly uncomfortable about our country and our process. A majority of Americans appear wholly uninterested in the actual business of government; they don’t understand it and don’t want to. They have vague feelings about undefined issues and they surrender their votes on emotional grounds to whoever approximates their rage. This has always been true to some extent, but Trump is a rubicon-crossing moment for the nation.

Trump’s wager was simple: Pretend to be stupid and angry because that’s what stupid and angry people like. He’s held up a mirror to the country, shown us how blind and apish we are. He knew how undiscerning the populace would be, how little they cared about details and facts. In Nevada, for instance, 70 percent of Trump voters said they preferred an “anti-establishment” candidate to one with any “experience in politics.” Essentially, that means they don’t care if he understands how government works or if he has the requisite skills to do the job. It’s a protest vote, born of rage, not deliberation.


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America, you’re stupid: Donald Trump’s political triumph makes it official- we’re a nation of idiots (Original Post) KamaAina Mar 2016 OP
Uh...so, Donald...HOW many branches of government does the United States have? PatrickforO Mar 2016 #1
More drama queen bullshit leftynyc Mar 2016 #2
Hell, we proved that when Dubya got re-elected. n/t Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #3
That's what I thought. Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #28
try Reagan eShirl Mar 2016 #33
try slavery lovemydog Mar 2016 #37
Must be nice when you have every single network giving you unlimited free air time! Initech Mar 2016 #4
How many people actually voted? leftstreet Mar 2016 #5
I maintain that anyone who says "America is stupid"... NaturalHigh Mar 2016 #6
I'm an ass Glamrock Mar 2016 #29
Yes America is always stupid except when they elect former9thward Mar 2016 #35
I'm pretty sure I never brought up my preferred candidate. Glamrock Mar 2016 #36
Voters have some reasons to be enraged. phantom power Mar 2016 #7
Wait till we get four years of Hillary or Trump. That will be even uglier. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #8
False equivalence, to start with. maxsolomon Mar 2016 #13
Lol...she will have us under TPP..more wars, more austerity, Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #14
Spare me your Anti-Democrat aspersions, and its a deal. maxsolomon Mar 2016 #15
Lol...Anti Democratic, just one corrupt politician against another is what it is. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #16
Trump's selling point is that he's NOT a Politician maxsolomon Mar 2016 #17
Spare me. Hillary will sell us out via TPP and other policies first chance she gets. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #21
Didn't Obama already sell us out with the TPP? Is she going to re-sign it or something? maxsolomon Mar 2016 #22
Man you dont pay much attention to the rest of the world do you? TPP is still Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #23
I'd thought it was before the Senate for ratification maxsolomon Mar 2016 #40
As you said. Glad you can at least look it up. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #41
In many ways, she's worse. ozone_man Mar 2016 #19
Then hold your nose if you must. maxsolomon Mar 2016 #20
Saying "Clinton or Trump" does not create any equivalence at all, true, semi-true or false merrily Mar 2016 #26
being outraged is one thing Skittles Mar 2016 #12
Good article liberalfromaustin21 Mar 2016 #9
Well, at least once maxsolomon Mar 2016 #18
This will rub the right people the wrong way! Rex Mar 2016 #10
it is indeed very embarrassing Skittles Mar 2016 #11
I had some sense of this before AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #24
People have likened the Drumpf phenomenon to the Gropenfuhrer disaster KamaAina Mar 2016 #25
Minnesota elected Jesse Ventura. nt NickB79 Mar 2016 #31
Note that Minnesota consigned Drumpf to third KamaAina Mar 2016 #34
Im not sure it is stupidity. Eko Mar 2016 #27
Interesting... Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #30
Huh, Eko Mar 2016 #32
Yeah I don't know Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #38
All our mind does is justify or rationalize what emotion we feel The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #39
Nevada is consistently rated the dumbest state in the union Nevernose Mar 2016 #42

PatrickforO

(14,573 posts)
1. Uh...so, Donald...HOW many branches of government does the United States have?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

No...it isn't always about you...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
2. More drama queen bullshit
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

Let' see - republicans make up roughly 1/3 of the electorate. Donnie is averaging around 30-35% of the base vote. So now that teeny percentage represents ALL AMERICANS. Get this crap out of here.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
4. Must be nice when you have every single network giving you unlimited free air time!
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:10 PM
Mar 2016

Further proof we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine, but that may be impossible under a Drumpf administration.

This is the California recall election all over again - people knew Schwarzenegger was toxic, but he got elected anyways because of the celebrity factor.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
6. I maintain that anyone who says "America is stupid"...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

or "voters are stupid" or anything like that is an ass.

Glamrock

(11,800 posts)
29. I'm an ass
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

Bush re-election, support for Sarah Palin, support for Mitt Romney, Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Donald Trump, etc., etc., etc. More people vote for American Idol than POTUS. I was recently told that Illinois' Governor Hedgefund is a socialist. With all due respect, America is stupid.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
7. Voters have some reasons to be enraged.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:43 PM
Mar 2016

Everybody except the 1% has fallen behind economically. One of our two political parties has spent the last 40 years telling them that it's because of minorities, liberals and atheists. The other party has spent the last 30 years falling over themselves to prove who can say "compromise with the wingnuts" with the most enthusiasm.

Meanwhile, nothing of importance has improved for anybody except the super-rich.

The only surprising thing is that it took this long for voters to start grabbing for the torches and pitchforks.

maxsolomon

(33,340 posts)
13. False equivalence, to start with.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

secondly, the POTUS doesn't control Income Inequality, nor can she address it through progressive taxation without the consent of the Congress. It will grow regardless of Clinton's policies (or Sander's for that matter), as it has for 35 years.

maxsolomon

(33,340 posts)
15. Spare me your Anti-Democrat aspersions, and its a deal.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton is not Trump. Not even close, and you do your arguments a disservice trying to link them. You're not posting in GD-Primary.

We'll be under TPP no matter who is elected, and any additional Austerity measures will be a result of the GOP maintaining control of Congress, and therefore the budget. The next President will have to make deals just to keep the doors open, like Obama did.

maxsolomon

(33,340 posts)
17. Trump's selling point is that he's NOT a Politician
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

Corrupt, I'll give you. But his voters don't think so.

They think he's beyond corruption; he's AUTHENTIC, he's a truth-teller. Basically, the way Sanders supporters feel, but just 100% wrong, instead of 100% correct.

The General Election isn't a purity contest. It's a fight to keep this nation from turning into The Handmaid's Tale. ANY Democrat is preferable to ANY Republican, even one who's had to compromise or made poor choices in the past.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
21. Spare me. Hillary will sell us out via TPP and other policies first chance she gets.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

Look around, we lost years ago. Now it's just the Oligarchs splitting whatever remians with their patsy Hillary.

maxsolomon

(33,340 posts)
22. Didn't Obama already sell us out with the TPP? Is she going to re-sign it or something?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

You're not going to out-cynic me about America - we never were in contention to win, so we never lost; the fix was in at the start of the nation.

Every politician will sell "us" out. Sanders just hasn't had to make those compromises yet. He will have to make them to keep the lights on.


 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
23. Man you dont pay much attention to the rest of the world do you? TPP is still
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

being "worked" on.

I am not trying to out cynic you. I just won't vote for Hillary.

Let it burn.

maxsolomon

(33,340 posts)
40. I'd thought it was before the Senate for ratification
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:31 PM
Mar 2016

and the intent was to GRD before BHO leaves office.

But I guess I don't pay attention to the rest of the world.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
19. In many ways, she's worse.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is a war hawk, and never met a war she didn't want. That sucks the life out of the country, not to mention the countries we invade.
Trump says he won't touch Social Security, a promise Hillary won't make.
In many other areas, Hillary is better. I could argue that a lot of those issues are distractions, while the establishment rams down our throats more wars and economic austerity.

maxsolomon

(33,340 posts)
20. Then hold your nose if you must.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

Trump has no idea what he'll do; he has no principles, no policies, no real plans. I don't buy your "she's worse" at all, he's already rattling sabers against our allies and enemies alike.

He thinks he can make the Presidency simple. The Presidency isn't simple; it's the worst job on the planet. I believe he'll regret taking the job the first time he has to meet with McConnell and his bluster has no effect on a tortoise.

If there's a God, the Dems will reclaim 1 or both houses. Pelosi could blow enough smoke up his ass to make him into a liberal.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Saying "Clinton or Trump" does not create any equivalence at all, true, semi-true or false
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

And POTUS can do very little without Congress, so pointing that out is not helpful in assessing a candidate's promises. They may as well not say anything under that standart.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
24. I had some sense of this before
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016

When California voted for Schwarzenegger as governor, and more recently, Illinois voted for Bruce Rauner.

Eko

(7,282 posts)
27. Im not sure it is stupidity.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

I know a lot of intelligent people who are for Trump. I think we have been conditioned to rely on emotion more than reasoning. I even see it here quite often and fall prey to it myself sometimes though I work hard to not let it control my judgement. Sometimes I fail. Maybe its the constant gratification we get, the relentless advertising and the persistent reinforcement of tribalism in our society. It's depressing.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
30. Interesting...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:38 PM
Mar 2016

Sometimes I wonder if is related to constant gratification, the internet and such, that so many people seem to have lost the ability to reason. Maybe they are overly emotional, but why? Why would so many people be that way? I have to work in under high stress conditions sometimes, so I am used to having to stay cool so I can think and do my job (and not mess up and lose my job). I get the feeling a lot of people aren't accustomed to dealing with having to think clearly in stressful situations. I have friends and family members virtually fall apart over problems I think are just minuscule and nothing to be all that concerned about compared to the stuff I deal with on a regular basis. I don't know if that is at related. Just an observation. Maybe it is stress response. People can bad at making decisions when stressed.

Eko

(7,282 posts)
32. Huh,
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:09 AM
Mar 2016

My previous job was extremely stressful with constant physical confrontations that could and have taken lives. You got used to it pretty quick or you got the mess kicked out of you all the time and ended up in the hospital if not worse. I know it changed me quite a bit including my thought processes when confronted with something and keeping my emotions at bay. I also have friends and family that do the same thing and act like yours does. Maybe there is something to this, maybe not. Still interesting. Anyone else like this?

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
38. Yeah I don't know
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:28 AM
Mar 2016

I just know the people I know know that seem to freak out are lead pretty low stress lives overall. They are retired or don't have to work. I know my dad in particular, seemed like he was better at handling things when back when he was working, but he has been retired for over 10 years now and he freaks out about printing a receipt off of the internet. Could be health related though. His physical health is terrible and I think mental health seems to decline with physical health.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
39. All our mind does is justify or rationalize what emotion we feel
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:47 AM
Mar 2016

Our minds also think there's such a thing as a Thursday, a March, a 3rd day in March, and a year called 2016. And that it's 9:45am. What is that? None of that actually exists anywhere, other than in the human mind.

We're a tribal species. That's all politics are. The other party is always wrong. They're the stupid ones. Our party can't be wrong, because we're a part of our party. We wouldn't be a part of anything that was wrong, because we're smart. Every side says the same thing about their side.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
42. Nevada is consistently rated the dumbest state in the union
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

And slightly less than half of Republican voters want Trump elected. So that's ~20%.

I'd say a bigger tell would be when Dubya won the popular vote in his REelection.

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